Notice the rhetorical claims in the post below.
According to this post, Ralph Nader is an "environmental terrorist"
- WHY?

Nader is a "terrorist" because he wrote a book on the alleged safety
problems
of an automobile -- according to the post. And because he backed a
Superfund cleanup program, to get the chemical companies to help pay
for toxic waste cleanups, which this author says is a "bureaucratic
nightmare."

So Dr. Convection, let's get this straight. You're saying that a
person becomes a "terrorist" by writing the "wrong" kinds of books?

Or supporting the "wrong" kinds of bureaucracies?

That's "Terrorism," to you -- no need for midnight attacks on police
stations, or bombings, or assassinations, or even industrial sabotage
-- just books and bureaucracies that you don't agree with?





"Dr. Convection" <Convection@convection.ca> wrote in message news:<sS7Oa.403047$Vi5.10409139@news1.calgary.shaw .ca>...
> From:
> http://users.aol.com/DaveMcCall/terror.htm
>
> They don't call themselves Green because of their concern for the
> environment.
>
> Certainly everyone must be aware of the so-called Green movement which has
> swept the planet in the last decade or two. Various political parties,
> nonprofit organizations, and other groups of people have organized under the
> "Save the Planet" banner.
>
> No doubt some of these people are actually sincere. Probably many don't
> realize where their donated dollars go.
>
> Sadly, all too often, green refers not to the environment, but to money, and
> the unslakable thirst many of these organizations have for it.
>
> In their quest to keep donations high, they have been known to resort to
> selective presentation of the facts, exaggeration of minor problems into
> cataclysmic, earth threatening scenarios, and outright lies.
>
> Acts of vandalism, property destruction and personal injury are not unknown.
> This "don't confuse me with the facts, I have made up my mind" mentality has
> been used to justify a violent campaign of domestic terrorism.
>
> A few examples follow. The list could never be exhaustive. It is far easier
> to scare an unknowing public than to educate it.
>
> Greenpeace claims to be a nonviolent organization, but apparently defines
> the word in the loosest possible way. The organization has made its
> reputation on its willingness to trespass and engage in piracy on the open
> seas. Greenpeace readily admits they spend far more money training its
> soldiers in the tactics of political activism than in scientific literacy.
> Currently, it is waging a huge disinformation campaign against chlorine and
> chlorine compounds. The blood of thousands of Peruvians is already on the
> hands of the "nonviolent" folks at Greenpeace.
>
> Ralph Nader, a nondriver, started his career as an environmental terrorist
> when he wrote "Unsafe at Any Speed." He still takes credit for removing the
> Corvair from the nation's highways, even though those ideas have been long
> discredited and GM stopped production when already flagging sales numbers
> made it silly to continue the fight. Since then, Ralph claims victories in
> banning cyclamates and creating the Superfund program. He won't tell you
> that the results collected in the outlandish feeding study that resulted in
> the cyclamate ban could not be repeated in a follow up study. He also won't
> tell you that the Superfund program is a bureaucratic nightmare that has
> accomplished very little.
>
> The Environmental Defense Fund took on McDonald's (one of the most socially
> responsible companies on the planet). The EDF forced McDonald's to stop
> using polystyrene food wrappings, despite the fact that McDonald's knew all
> along that the environmental impact of these products was much less than the
> impact of the paper wrappings that took their place. The environment lost
> again as the EDF gained money and prestige.
>
> The Natural Resources Defense Council waxes eloquent about the water
> pollution which will surely be the deaths of us all. Despite all the
> research done in the area of water quality in the last three decades, the
> NRDC cites only one study. . . done by. . . the NRDC. They still take credit
> for banning Alar, a growth regulator used on apples, even though the study
> which provides their only information has been widely discredited.
>
> The Sierra Club would have you believe that they are working on any number
> of environmental issues. You would be hard pressed to find any science among
> the myriad documents it has generated. What you will find is the typical
> posturing found in bitter partisan politics.
>
> The average American education is woefully inadequate in the area of
> scientific literacy. These organizations, and countless others, take
> advantage of this deficiency and invent their own "science" which
> conveniently meshes with their own political and monetary interests. We
> desperately need to reverse this dangerous trend.

"JohnAndrew" <AJFeeney48@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2fcaf67c.0307111022.18eeac99@posting.google.c om...
> Notice the rhetorical claims in the post below.

John. You are trying to argue sense with a fool. This is futile. To
illustrate the error here, take the story of the frog and the scorpion.

Scorpion wanted to get across river. Asks frog to ferry him on his back.
Frog says 'no way! You'll sting me!'. Scorpion says 'no I won't. I need to
get across and if I sting you we'll both drown". Frog considers this and
says 'hop on'. Halfway across the river the scorpion stings the frog. Frog
says "OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!*&%*%&$^##$^^^##"

Frog them numbles "why did you do that??? Now we will both die!"

Scorpion replies " I can't help it... I'm a scorpion...."

Confection writes what he does because he is a troll. It is his nature.

JohnAndrew wrote:
>
> Notice the rhetorical claims in the post below.
> According to this post, Ralph Nader is an "environmental terrorist"
> - WHY?
>
> Nader is a "terrorist" because he wrote a book on the alleged safety
> problems
> of an automobile -- according to the post. And because he backed a
> Superfund cleanup program, to get the chemical companies to help pay
> for toxic waste cleanups, which this author says is a "bureaucratic
> nightmare."
>
> So Dr. Convection, let's get this straight. You're saying that a
> person becomes a "terrorist" by writing the "wrong" kinds of books?
>
> Or supporting the "wrong" kinds of bureaucracies?
>
> That's "Terrorism," to you -- no need for midnight attacks on police
> stations, or bombings, or assassinations, or even industrial sabotage
> -- just books and bureaucracies that you don't agree with?
>
Business people are terrified of losing money. Environmental
regulations and conservation measures cost them money. Therefore,
environmentalists and conservationists are terrorists. QED.


> "Dr. Convection" <Convection@convection.ca> wrote in message news:<sS7Oa.403047$Vi5.10409139@news1.calgary.shaw .ca>...
> > From:
> > http://users.aol.com/DaveMcCall/terror.htm
> >
> > They don't call themselves Green because of their concern for the
> > environment.
> >
> > Certainly everyone must be aware of the so-called Green movement which has
> > swept the planet in the last decade or two. Various political parties,
> > nonprofit organizations, and other groups of people have organized under the
> > "Save the Planet" banner.
> >
> > No doubt some of these people are actually sincere. Probably many don't
> > realize where their donated dollars go.
> >
> > Sadly, all too often, green refers not to the environment, but to money, and
> > the unslakable thirst many of these organizations have for it.
> >
> > In their quest to keep donations high, they have been known to resort to
> > selective presentation of the facts, exaggeration of minor problems into
> > cataclysmic, earth threatening scenarios, and outright lies.
> >
> > Acts of vandalism, property destruction and personal injury are not unknown.
> > This "don't confuse me with the facts, I have made up my mind" mentality has
> > been used to justify a violent campaign of domestic terrorism.
> >
> > A few examples follow. The list could never be exhaustive. It is far easier
> > to scare an unknowing public than to educate it.
> >
> > Greenpeace claims to be a nonviolent organization, but apparently defines
> > the word in the loosest possible way. The organization has made its
> > reputation on its willingness to trespass and engage in piracy on the open
> > seas. Greenpeace readily admits they spend far more money training its
> > soldiers in the tactics of political activism than in scientific literacy.
> > Currently, it is waging a huge disinformation campaign against chlorine and
> > chlorine compounds. The blood of thousands of Peruvians is already on the
> > hands of the "nonviolent" folks at Greenpeace.
> >
> > Ralph Nader, a nondriver, started his career as an environmental terrorist
> > when he wrote "Unsafe at Any Speed." He still takes credit for removing the
> > Corvair from the nation's highways, even though those ideas have been long
> > discredited and GM stopped production when already flagging sales numbers
> > made it silly to continue the fight. Since then, Ralph claims victories in
> > banning cyclamates and creating the Superfund program. He won't tell you
> > that the results collected in the outlandish feeding study that resulted in
> > the cyclamate ban could not be repeated in a follow up study. He also won't
> > tell you that the Superfund program is a bureaucratic nightmare that has
> > accomplished very little.
> >
> > The Environmental Defense Fund took on McDonald's (one of the most socially
> > responsible companies on the planet). The EDF forced McDonald's to stop
> > using polystyrene food wrappings, despite the fact that McDonald's knew all
> > along that the environmental impact of these products was much less than the
> > impact of the paper wrappings that took their place. The environment lost
> > again as the EDF gained money and prestige.
> >
> > The Natural Resources Defense Council waxes eloquent about the water
> > pollution which will surely be the deaths of us all. Despite all the
> > research done in the area of water quality in the last three decades, the
> > NRDC cites only one study. . . done by. . . the NRDC. They still take credit
> > for banning Alar, a growth regulator used on apples, even though the study
> > which provides their only information has been widely discredited.
> >
> > The Sierra Club would have you believe that they are working on any number
> > of environmental issues. You would be hard pressed to find any science among
> > the myriad documents it has generated. What you will find is the typical
> > posturing found in bitter partisan politics.
> >
> > The average American education is woefully inadequate in the area of
> > scientific literacy. These organizations, and countless others, take
> > advantage of this deficiency and invent their own "science" which
> > conveniently meshes with their own political and monetary interests. We
> > desperately need to reverse this dangerous trend.

"Dick Morris" <richard.a.morris@boeing.com> wrote in message
news:3F0F11A5.C37A680F@boeing.com...
>
>
> JohnAndrew wrote:
> >
> > Notice the rhetorical claims in the post below.
<snip>
> > That's "Terrorism," to you -- no need for midnight attacks on police
> > stations, or bombings, or assassinations, or even industrial sabotage
> > -- just books and bureaucracies that you don't agree with?
> >
> Business people are terrified of losing money. Environmental
> regulations and conservation measures cost them money. Therefore,
> environmentalists and conservationists are terrorists. QED.

The Dick Headed Moron has spoken..

Dick Morris wrote:

>JohnAndrew wrote:
>
>
>>...
>>
>Business people are terrified of losing money. Environmental
>regulations and conservation measures cost them money. Therefore,
>environmentalists and conservationists are terrorists. QED.
>

Environmental regulations don't cost business people any more money than
taxes, labor, or raw materials. All of it is passed on to the consumer.
So, you see, it costs you money. You will then buy Chinese products.
That will cost you or someone else a job. Or, you can do without. That
will cost you, and someone's job, and the business people. The latter
will cost everybody.

http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Environment.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/LPNY/Choice.html

"Ian St. John" wrote:
>
> "Dick Morris" <richard.a.morris@boeing.com> wrote in message
> news:3F0F11A5.C37A680F@boeing.com...
> >
> >
> > JohnAndrew wrote:
> > >
> > > Notice the rhetorical claims in the post below.
> <snip>
> > > That's "Terrorism," to you -- no need for midnight attacks on police
> > > stations, or bombings, or assassinations, or even industrial sabotage
> > > -- just books and bureaucracies that you don't agree with?
> > >
> > Business people are terrified of losing money. Environmental
> > regulations and conservation measures cost them money. Therefore,
> > environmentalists and conservationists are terrorists. QED.
>
> The Dick Headed Moron has spoken..


You need to talk to an attorney about internet libel law.

Dick Morris wrote:
> "Ian St. John" wrote:
>>"Dick Morris" <richard.a.morris@boeing.com> wrote:
>>>JohnAndrew wrote:
>>>
>>>>Notice the rhetorical claims in the post below.
>>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>>That's "Terrorism," to you -- no need for midnight attacks on police
>>>>stations, or bombings, or assassinations, or even industrial sabotage
>>>>-- just books and bureaucracies that you don't agree with?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Business people are terrified of losing money. Environmental
>>>regulations and conservation measures cost them money. Therefore,
>>>environmentalists and conservationists are terrorists. QED.
>>
>>The Dick Headed Moron has spoken..
>
> You need to talk to an attorney about internet libel law.

Actually, he should first take a refresher course in irony and
sarcasm.

--Jeff

"Dick Morris" <richard.a.morris@boeing.com> wrote in message
news:3F12EE14.54707848@boeing.com...
>
>
> "Ian St. John" wrote:
> >
> > "Dick Morris" <richard.a.morris@boeing.com> wrote in message
> > news:3F0F11A5.C37A680F@boeing.com...
<snip>
> >
> > The Dick Headed Moron has spoken..
>
>
> You need to talk to an attorney about internet libel law.

I cannot be accused of libel for telling the truth.

Try a dictionary.... cheaper than lawyers and it will tell you the same...

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:53:24 GMT, Dick Morris
<richard.a.morris@boeing.com> wrote:

>
>
>"Ian St. John" wrote:
>>
>> "Dick Morris" <richard.a.morris@boeing.com> wrote in message
>> news:3F0F11A5.C37A680F@boeing.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > JohnAndrew wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Notice the rhetorical claims in the post below.
>> <snip>
>> > > That's "Terrorism," to you -- no need for midnight attacks on police
>> > > stations, or bombings, or assassinations, or even industrial sabotage
>> > > -- just books and bureaucracies that you don't agree with?
>> > >
>> > Business people are terrified of losing money. Environmental
>> > regulations and conservation measures cost them money. Therefore,
>> > environmentalists and conservationists are terrorists. QED.
>>
>> The Dick Headed Moron has spoken..
>
>
>You need to talk to an attorney about internet libel law.

Weren't you the guy who called environmentalists terrorists?

And you are complaining about the libel of someone calling you a Dick
Headed Moron?

And wouldn't anyone calling environmentalists terrorists - be - in
truth - a moron?

Such that the "truth is a defense'" rule in the US apply?

"Dick Morris" <richard.a.morris@boeing.com> wrote in message
news:3F13206D.F49D66F8@boeing.com...
>
>
> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
> >
> > Dick Morris wrote:
> > > "Ian St. John" wrote:
> > >>"Dick Morris" <richard.a.morris@boeing.com> wrote:
> > >>>JohnAndrew wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>Notice the rhetorical claims in the post below.
> > >>>
> > >><snip>
> > >>
> > >>>>That's "Terrorism," to you -- no need for midnight attacks on police
> > >>>>stations, or bombings, or assassinations, or even industrial
sabotage
> > >>>>-- just books and bureaucracies that you don't agree with?
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Business people are terrified of losing money. Environmental
> > >>>regulations and conservation measures cost them money. Therefore,
> > >>>environmentalists and conservationists are terrorists. QED.
> > >>
> > >>The Dick Headed Moron has spoken..
> > >
> > > You need to talk to an attorney about internet libel law.
> >
> > Actually, he should first take a refresher course in irony and
> > sarcasm.
> >
> > --Jeff
>
> Maybe, but he has more immediate need of a lawyer. Action will be
> taken. Whether that action is at his end or mine is up to him.

This is a fascinating delusion. Is this a natual psychosis or are you on
drugs?

Do you plan to sue in California?

If so, a look at Ilena Rosenthals suit/countersuit over a SLAP libel case
would be interesting reading. Just ask her over at
alt.support.breast-implants. It makes for a fascinating waste of money. Lots
of luck. In this case I didn't even make a libelous statement. Much easier
and simpler to dismiss.