On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:59:36 GMT, Trebor the Fascist Vampire Slayer
<trebby@my-deja.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>You know what a screwed-up country this is when our s0-called
>religious leaders are calling for the death or disablement of Supreme
>Court Justices.

Liar. That's NOT what he said.


>Robertson Calls for Justices' Retirement
>
>Tuesday July 15, 2003 4:49 AM
>
>
>VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (AP) - Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson urged
>his nationwide audience Monday to pray for God to remove three
>justices from the Supreme Court so they could be replaced by
>conservatives.
>
>``We ask for miracles in regard to the Supreme Court,'' Robertson said
>on the Christian Broadcasting Network's ``The 700 Club.''
>
>Robertson has launched a 21-day ``prayer offensive'' directed at the
>Supreme Court in the wake of its 6-3 June vote that decriminalized
>sodomy. Robertson said in a letter on the CBN Web site that the ruling
>``has opened the door to homosexual marriage, bigamy, legalized
>prostitution and even incest.''
>
>The same letter targets three justices in particular: ``One justice is
>83-years-old, another has cancer and another has a heart condition.
>Would it not be possible for God to put it in the minds of these three
>judges that the time has come to retire?''
>
>Judging from the descriptions, Robertson was referring to Justice John
>Paul Stevens, who was born in 1920, and Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg,
>who had colon cancer surgery in 1999. The identity of the third
>justice was unclear.
>

Bugsy Segal wrote:
>
> Before sleeping with the fishes in Lake Mead, Trebor the Fascist
> Vampire Slayer <trebby@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >You know what a screwed-up country this is when our s0-called
> >religious leaders are calling for the death or disablement of Supreme
> >Court Justices.
> >
> >
> >Robertson Calls for Justices' Retirement
> >
> Robertson may be a far right religious fanatic, but nowhere in his
> statement had he called on God to kill SCOTUS justices. You should
> take to heart at least one of the Ten Commandments, "Thou shalt not
> bear false witness against thy neighbor." IOW, DON'T LIE.
>
> -
> "Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer."
> -Michael Corleone

Still, it *was* a misuse of the power of prayer. To pray that a justice
with a heart condition, one who is 83 and onw with cancer will leave the
bench is, in effect to ask "Since they are ill and old, let their
infirmities (convince them to retire) = get worse."

That is a misuse of prayer! It was blasphemous, violating the injunction
not to take the name of the Lord in vain. Christ Himself, when asked
if he would overthrow the power of the Romans, refused. "Render unto
Caesar that with is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's." is a
clear commandment. To pray that a person retires, after citing their age
or health, in order to nullify their presence on the Supreme Court is
blasphemy. Pure and simple.

For instnace, in an earlier comment someone on this group asked that we
pray that Bush is a one term President. Sorry, no can do! As much as I
loathe GWB, To pray that he wins or loses an election is to ask God to
intervene in matters where Christ HIMSELF refused to do so when the same
opportunity arose in His day. I WILL not subvert the God-force of prayer
to the realm of politics! Neither should *any* Christian who claims to
understand and follow the Lord's teachings.

And that goes for football teams TOO! What *should* we pray for? The
Lord's Prayer is the best example.

Start by blessing and praising. Stating our intent to follow His will,
asking for simple sustenance, forgiveness, promising humbly to be
charitable toward others as God is charitable to us, asking that we be
guided in a good life, that we not be tempted to error and sin and then
concluding the prayer again with praise and acknowledgement of God's
power and love. Asking that a certain team or politician or judge win
or lose, fail, succeed or retire is right out. We *can* pray that our
leaders exercise good judgement, we can pray for their health and
wellbeing, that they govern wisely, but that's as far as it goes.

What Robertson did was wrong and as a clergyman he *ought* to know that!

Swan

"Rat & Swan" <labrat@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:3F14EC17.1A20@pacbell.net...
[...]
> That is a misuse of prayer! It was blasphemous, violating the injunction
> not to take the name of the Lord in vain. Christ Himself, when asked
> if he would overthrow the power of the Romans, refused. "Render unto
> Caesar that with is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's." is a
> clear commandment. To pray that a person retires, after citing their age
> or health, in order to nullify their presence on the Supreme Court is
> blasphemy. Pure and simple.
>
> For instnace, in an earlier comment someone on this group asked that we
> pray that Bush is a one term President. Sorry, no can do! As much as I
> loathe GWB, To pray that he wins or loses an election is to ask God to
> intervene in matters where Christ HIMSELF refused to do so when the same
> opportunity arose in His day. I WILL not subvert the God-force of prayer
> to the realm of politics! Neither should *any* Christian who claims to
> understand and follow the Lord's teachings.
>
> And that goes for football teams TOO! What *should* we pray for? The
> Lord's Prayer is the best example.
>
> Start by blessing and praising. Stating our intent to follow His will,
> asking for simple sustenance, forgiveness, promising humbly to be
> charitable toward others as God is charitable to us, asking that we be
> guided in a good life, that we not be tempted to error and sin and then
> concluding the prayer again with praise and acknowledgement of God's
> power and love. Asking that a certain team or politician or judge win
> or lose, fail, succeed or retire is right out. We *can* pray that our
> leaders exercise good judgement, we can pray for their health and
> wellbeing, that they govern wisely, but that's as far as it goes.
>
> What Robertson did was wrong and as a clergyman he *ought* to know that!

The War Prayer, by Mark Twain:

http://www.lone-star.net/mall/literature/warpray.htm
[...]
'"You have heard your servant's prayer-the uttered part of it. I am
commissioned by God to put into words the other part of it-that part which
the pastor, and also you in your hearts, fervently prayed silently. And
ignorantly and unthinkingly? God grant that it was so! You heard these
words: 'Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!' That is sufficient. The whole
of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations
were not necessary. When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for
many unmentioned results which follow victory-must follow it, cannot help
but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God the Father fell also the
unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!

'"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to
battle-be Thou near them! With them, in spirit, we also go forth from the
sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help
us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover
their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to
drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in
pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help
us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief;
help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander
unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst,
sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in
spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and
denied it-for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight
their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water
their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their
wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of
Love, and Who is ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset
and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.
(After a pause)
'"Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most
High waits."
'It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no
sense in what he said.'



--
New definition of irony:

'Today's liberal Democrats are like the supporters of the Third Reich of the
'30's and '40's
- they absolutely trusted the government to "make things right". '
-Comment made on the internet by an ardent GW Bush supporter.

Rat & Swan wrote:
> What *should* we pray for?

"Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth into battle--be Thou near them! With them--in spirit-- we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended in the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames in summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--

For our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimmage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, strain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet!

We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen."

http://www.warprayer.org/

--
"But you will not by any means,
listen to any overture of peace
before the total ruin of their settlements
is effected....Our future security
will be in their inability to injure us...
and in the terror with which
the severity of the chastisement they receive
will inspire them....
Lay waste all the settlements around...
that the country may not be merely overrun
but destroyed."
-- General George Washington,
orders given to Major General Sullivan
to proceed against the Seneca Nation
of the Iroquois Confederacy
in Central New York State, 1779

"Trebor the Fascist Vampire Slayer" <trebby@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>
> You know what a screwed-up country this is when our s0-called
> religious leaders are calling for the death or disablement of Supreme
> Court Justices.

But it's OK for so-called "black leaders" to wish the same when rulings
aren't in their favor, right?

Robertson is a hate mongering bigot and we should all be quite sure of
that after this little incident.

I also find it interesting that he's only praying for 3 justices to
leave when the vote to overturn the anti sodomy legislation was 6-3. I
guess it's okay for Republicans to allow sodomy.

--
"The larger point is, and the fundamental question is, did Saddam
Hussein have a weapons program? And the answer is, absolutely. And we
gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in and he wouldn't let them
in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him
from power."--G.W.Bush, 7/14/2003

"Two-and-a-half years ago, we inherited an economy in
recession."--G.W.Bush, 6/30/2003
"This week, the official announcement came that our economy has been in
recession since March."--G.W.Bush, 12/01/2001

He only wishes death on enough to give him a majority. Surely god would
consider more to be greedy.


"George Spelvin" <spelvin@everywhere.edu> wrote in message
news:3F155C45.431F14C9@everywhere.edu...
> Robertson is a hate mongering bigot and we should all be quite sure of
> that after this little incident.
>
> I also find it interesting that he's only praying for 3 justices to
> leave when the vote to overturn the anti sodomy legislation was 6-3. I
> guess it's okay for Republicans to allow sodomy.
>
> --
> "The larger point is, and the fundamental question is, did Saddam
> Hussein have a weapons program? And the answer is, absolutely. And we
> gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in and he wouldn't let them
> in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him
> from power."--G.W.Bush, 7/14/2003
>
> "Two-and-a-half years ago, we inherited an economy in
> recession."--G.W.Bush, 6/30/2003
> "This week, the official announcement came that our economy has been in
> recession since March."--G.W.Bush, 12/01/2001