"quibbler"

> Bush hasn't grown up and he's in his late fifties. These are times that
> call for vehement protest. Bush has railroaded this country into war on
> what are now being called "technicalities" and is preparing to turn our
> country into a police state via the unPatriot Act (1 and 2) while people
> are distracted. That justifies throwing a couple balloons.
>
> It doesn't harm kids when they throw them and it doesn't harm adults
> either. Last time I checked, a water balloon is not a weapon of mass
> destruction. If Bush and Hasturd want to redefine it as such then
> hopefully americans will recognize these maneuvers as bullshit.

Stay away from the double mocha lattes. They've got you all wound up about
nothin'.





mrcid.

"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.197dbd98309b8b4a989edf@news.cis.dfn.de...
> In article <3f1401c4$0$79539$45beb828@newscene.com>, mrcid@home.com
> says...
> >
> > "D.G. Porter" <dgporter@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > news:9986a35.0307150507.519993ad@posting.google.co m...
> > > Just imagine a reconstituted cut from Arlo Guthrie's "Alices'
> > > Restaurant."..
> > >
> > > And so I went over to the "Group W" bench, and there were
> > > mother-rapers, and father-stabers ... and father-rapers!
> > >
> > > And one of them asked me, "What'dja git?"
> > > And I said, "I didn't 'git' nothin'."
> > > And he said, "What were you arrested for??"
> > > And I said, "I threw a water balloon at the Speaker of the House at a
> > > parade."
> > > And they all started movin' away from me until I added, "And creatin'
> > > a public nuisance."
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > > Gross exaggeration seems to be the order of the day for conservatives
> > > these days.
> > >
> > > Take Justice Tomas Magdich for example, who is allowing felony
> > > aggravated battery charges to proceed against John S. Allen, of Dixon,
> > > Illinois.
> > >
> > > Allens' crime?
> > >
> > > He happened to throw a water balloon during the Dixon Petunia Festival
> > > parade, which happened to hit an antique fire truck, which happened to
> > > be driven by House Speaker Dennis Hastert.
> >
> > You would think that they would have just released this little fella' to
his
> > parents. Oh, wait! This guy is 33 years old. You would think at 33 years
of
> > age, he would have grown up by now.
>
> Bush hasn't grown up and he's in his late fifties. These are times that
> call for vehement protest. Bush has railroaded this country into war on
> what are now being called "technicalities" and is preparing to turn our
> country into a police state via the unPatriot Act (1 and 2) while people
> are distracted. That justifies throwing a couple balloons.
>
> It doesn't harm kids when they throw them and it doesn't harm adults
> either. Last time I checked, a water balloon is not a weapon of mass
> destruction. If Bush and Hasturd want to redefine it as such then
> hopefully americans will recognize these maneuvers as bullshit.

You don't understand. You know it was water. The thrower knew it was water.
It was the *threat* that it was something more dangerous. The facts don't
matter. The perceived threat is what matters.

In article <69%Qa.349$te7.18781287@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com >,
rogerfx@hotmail.com says...
> "quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.197dbd98309b8b4a989edf@news.cis.dfn.de...
> > In article <3f1401c4$0$79539$45beb828@newscene.com>, mrcid@home.com
> > says...
> > >
> > > "D.G. Porter" <dgporter@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > > news:9986a35.0307150507.519993ad@posting.google.co m...
> > > > Just imagine a reconstituted cut from Arlo Guthrie's "Alices'
> > > > Restaurant."..
> > > >
> > > > And so I went over to the "Group W" bench, and there were
> > > > mother-rapers, and father-stabers ... and father-rapers!
> > > >
> > > > And one of them asked me, "What'dja git?"
> > > > And I said, "I didn't 'git' nothin'."
> > > > And he said, "What were you arrested for??"
> > > > And I said, "I threw a water balloon at the Speaker of the House at a
> > > > parade."
> > > > And they all started movin' away from me until I added, "And creatin'
> > > > a public nuisance."
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > >
> > > > Gross exaggeration seems to be the order of the day for conservatives
> > > > these days.
> > > >
> > > > Take Justice Tomas Magdich for example, who is allowing felony
> > > > aggravated battery charges to proceed against John S. Allen, of Dixon,
> > > > Illinois.
> > > >
> > > > Allens' crime?
> > > >
> > > > He happened to throw a water balloon during the Dixon Petunia Festival
> > > > parade, which happened to hit an antique fire truck, which happened to
> > > > be driven by House Speaker Dennis Hastert.
> > >
> > > You would think that they would have just released this little fella' to
> his
> > > parents. Oh, wait! This guy is 33 years old. You would think at 33 years
> of
> > > age, he would have grown up by now.
> >
> > Bush hasn't grown up and he's in his late fifties. These are times that
> > call for vehement protest. Bush has railroaded this country into war on
> > what are now being called "technicalities" and is preparing to turn our
> > country into a police state via the unPatriot Act (1 and 2) while people
> > are distracted. That justifies throwing a couple balloons.
> >
> > It doesn't harm kids when they throw them and it doesn't harm adults
> > either. Last time I checked, a water balloon is not a weapon of mass
> > destruction. If Bush and Hasturd want to redefine it as such then
> > hopefully americans will recognize these maneuvers as bullshit.
>
> You don't understand. You know it was water. The thrower knew it was water.
> It was the *threat* that it was something more dangerous.

How does this address the requirement that serious bodily harm needed to
be done in order to call this aggravated assault? How does this address
the fact that aggravated assault needs to have intentionality. I agree
that they didn't know what substance was in the balloons. But that would
make all water balloon throwing "aggravated assault", by such a standard,
now wouldn't it? Kids throw water balloons all the time. How many of
them will we have to lock up if we follow the hastert example? I know
this guy was older and all, but this is typical gestapo action by the
secret service. Bush's goon squad in particular always seems to be
looking for ways to get protesters on overblown charges.


> The facts don't
> matter.

I assure you that as a matter of law the facts very definitely *do*
matter.

> The perceived threat is what matters.

Perceived threats can also matter. But I'm not sure that most people
would consider this to be a reasonable "threat". In addition, the type
of "threat" involved in battery is a communicated intention to do bodily
harm, not a threat in the sense of an inferred potential danger.

--
__________________________________________________ ___
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins

In article <3f145c42$0$12086$45beb828@newscene.com>, mrcid@home.com
says...
>
> "quibbler"
>
> > Bush hasn't grown up and he's in his late fifties. These are times that
> > call for vehement protest. Bush has railroaded this country into war on
> > what are now being called "technicalities" and is preparing to turn our
> > country into a police state via the unPatriot Act (1 and 2) while people
> > are distracted. That justifies throwing a couple balloons.
> >
> > It doesn't harm kids when they throw them and it doesn't harm adults
> > either. Last time I checked, a water balloon is not a weapon of mass
> > destruction. If Bush and Hasturd want to redefine it as such then
> > hopefully americans will recognize these maneuvers as bullshit.
>
> Stay away from the double mocha lattes. They've got you all wound up about
> nothin'.

Was that what Bush was drinking when he decided that saddam was a threat
to the security of the world, or was it something a bit stronger perhaps?

--
__________________________________________________ ___
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins

"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.197e55f6f6a4ea42989eea@news.cis.dfn.de...
> In article <69%Qa.349$te7.18781287@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com >,
> rogerfx@hotmail.com says...
> > "quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.197dbd98309b8b4a989edf@news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > In article <3f1401c4$0$79539$45beb828@newscene.com>, mrcid@home.com
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > "D.G. Porter" <dgporter@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:9986a35.0307150507.519993ad@posting.google.co m...
> > > > > Just imagine a reconstituted cut from Arlo Guthrie's "Alices'
> > > > > Restaurant."..
> > > > >
> > > > > And so I went over to the "Group W" bench, and there were
> > > > > mother-rapers, and father-stabers ... and father-rapers!
> > > > >
> > > > > And one of them asked me, "What'dja git?"
> > > > > And I said, "I didn't 'git' nothin'."
> > > > > And he said, "What were you arrested for??"
> > > > > And I said, "I threw a water balloon at the Speaker of the House
at a
> > > > > parade."
> > > > > And they all started movin' away from me until I added, "And
creatin'
> > > > > a public nuisance."
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > >
> > > > > Gross exaggeration seems to be the order of the day for
conservatives
> > > > > these days.
> > > > >
> > > > > Take Justice Tomas Magdich for example, who is allowing felony
> > > > > aggravated battery charges to proceed against John S. Allen, of
Dixon,
> > > > > Illinois.
> > > > >
> > > > > Allens' crime?
> > > > >
> > > > > He happened to throw a water balloon during the Dixon Petunia
Festival
> > > > > parade, which happened to hit an antique fire truck, which
happened to
> > > > > be driven by House Speaker Dennis Hastert.
> > > >
> > > > You would think that they would have just released this little
fella' to
> > his
> > > > parents. Oh, wait! This guy is 33 years old. You would think at 33
years
> > of
> > > > age, he would have grown up by now.
> > >
> > > Bush hasn't grown up and he's in his late fifties. These are times
that
> > > call for vehement protest. Bush has railroaded this country into war
on
> > > what are now being called "technicalities" and is preparing to turn
our
> > > country into a police state via the unPatriot Act (1 and 2) while
people
> > > are distracted. That justifies throwing a couple balloons.
> > >
> > > It doesn't harm kids when they throw them and it doesn't harm adults
> > > either. Last time I checked, a water balloon is not a weapon of mass
> > > destruction. If Bush and Hasturd want to redefine it as such then
> > > hopefully americans will recognize these maneuvers as bullshit.
> >
> > You don't understand. You know it was water. The thrower knew it was
water.
> > It was the *threat* that it was something more dangerous.
>
> How does this address the requirement that serious bodily harm needed to
> be done in order to call this aggravated assault? How does this address
> the fact that aggravated assault needs to have intentionality. I agree
> that they didn't know what substance was in the balloons. But that would
> make all water balloon throwing "aggravated assault", by such a standard,
> now wouldn't it? Kids throw water balloons all the time. How many of
> them will we have to lock up if we follow the hastert example? I know
> this guy was older and all, but this is typical gestapo action by the
> secret service. Bush's goon squad in particular always seems to be
> looking for ways to get protesters on overblown charges.

You are quibbling with the trivial side of metaphor I was creating rather
than discussing the side that really matters.

>
>
> > The facts don't
> > matter.
>
> I assure you that as a matter of law the facts very definitely *do*
> matter.
>
> > The perceived threat is what matters.
>
> Perceived threats can also matter. But I'm not sure that most people
> would consider this to be a reasonable "threat". In addition, the type
> of "threat" involved in battery is a communicated intention to do bodily
> harm, not a threat in the sense of an inferred potential danger.

In article <0H4Ra.398$QC.23535717@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> ,
rogerfx@hotmail.com says...

> You are quibbling with the trivial side of metaphor I was creating rather
> than discussing the side that really matters.

I see. What metaphor is that. The water balloon was not a metaphor. It
was a real balloon filled with water. I said that I agreed, it could
contain other things. It could have contained sarin for all they knew.
But the fact that security was inadequate to prevent someone from
throwing a water balloon with a chemical or biological agent in it does
not make this man's actions any more severe. The fact is that he only
threw an ordinary water balloon and that is all that he can be charged
with. If a cop shot a person for throwing a water balloon, he could
claim he thought it was a lethal hand grenade. But it would still be
wrongful death, because in fact it was not a lethal weapon.

--
__________________________________________________ ___
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins