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Steve
[1] Posted by Steve 07-14-2003, 08:40 PM
 
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This quote alone should be enough to justify it:

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that
the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal
weapons ever devised."

George W. Bush
March 17, 2003


.....so on March 17th, three days before the invasion, Bush says he had proof
that left "no doubt".

Ok....where is it?

All proof presented must be from March 17th or prior or Bush is a
liar.....who lied to go to war.

What I don't understand is people who ignore all the solid proof Bush did
lie, but continue to support Bush's assertions...in the absence of any
proof from him to support them.

Eh?

....so Iraq was no threat. Bush went ahead with an illegal invasion and as a
direct result at least 214 Americans are dfead plus thousands of Iraqis.
The wounded, disabled and disfigured would be many times that number on
both sides.

Bush...who took the Presidency without honor...has gone downhill since then
to the extent of lying so he can go to war.

No wonder he opposes the International Criminal Court. He should be standing
trial before it if no corrupted American court has the integrity to see
justice done.

--
Steve
--
"Naturally, the common people don't want war;
neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
nor for that matter in Germany.
That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
of the country who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people
along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same way
in any country."
- Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall

 
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abracadabra
[2] Posted by abracadabra 07-14-2003, 11:40 PM
 
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"Jeff Ayers" <jeff.ayers@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ICIQa.62708$ye4.44496@sccrnsc01...
> Why? When Clinton bombed an aspirin factory based on faulty CIA

information,
> did you call for his impeachment?


1) "what about clinton, what about Clinton?" isn't an argument
2) President Clinton did not lie to the nation trying to get the USA to
commit itself to a war and rebuilding of a country. Just about every piller
of the Administrations case for the pre-emptive war has fallen apart. No
WMDs, no immediate threat, no Nukes, no attempts to buy nuclear materials.

Dubya ought to be Impeached, removed from office, and tossed in Prison.


>
> Jeff
>
> "Steve" <steve@nospam4me.org> wrote in message
> news:MbHQa.4877$9f7.567913@news02.tsnz.net...
> >
> > This quote alone should be enough to justify it:
> >
> > "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt

that
> > the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal
> > weapons ever devised."
> >
> > George W. Bush
> > March 17, 2003
> >
> >
> > ....so on March 17th, three days before the invasion, Bush says he had

> proof
> > that left "no doubt".
> >
> > Ok....where is it?
> >
> > All proof presented must be from March 17th or prior or Bush is a
> > liar.....who lied to go to war.
> >
> > What I don't understand is people who ignore all the solid proof Bush

did
> > lie, but continue to support Bush's assertions...in the absence of any
> > proof from him to support them.
> >
> > Eh?
> >
> > ...so Iraq was no threat. Bush went ahead with an illegal invasion and

as
> a
> > direct result at least 214 Americans are dfead plus thousands of Iraqis.
> > The wounded, disabled and disfigured would be many times that number on
> > both sides.
> >
> > Bush...who took the Presidency without honor...has gone downhill since

> then
> > to the extent of lying so he can go to war.
> >
> > No wonder he opposes the International Criminal Court. He should be

> standing
> > trial before it if no corrupted American court has the integrity to see
> > justice done.
> >
> > --
> > Steve
> > --
> > "Naturally, the common people don't want war;
> > neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
> > nor for that matter in Germany.
> > That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
> > of the country who determine the policy and
> > it is always a simple matter to drag the people
> > along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
> > dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
> > dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
> > always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
> > That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
> > they are being attacked and denounce the
> > pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
> > the country to danger. It works the same way
> > in any country."
> > - Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
> >

>
>



 
z
[3] Posted by z 07-15-2003, 12:28 AM
 
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"Jeff Ayers" <jeff.ayers@comcast.net> wrote in
news:ICIQa.62708$ye4.44496@sccrnsc01:

> Why? When Clinton bombed an aspirin factory based on faulty CIA
> information, did you call for his impeachment?
>
> Jeff


clinton was an ass -- he wasn't costing us 1 billion a fucking month.
People die every day and governments do stupid shit -- but when it costs
YOU and ME that kind of cash it's time to put a stop to it. Forget human
rights, forget WMD, forget all that.. bottom line is this is costing us a
shitload of dough and I'm tired of it
 
John Slade
[4] Posted by John Slade 07-15-2003, 03:09 AM
 
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"z" <z@yada.yada.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93B8D068433Ezyadayadayada@206.127.4.22...
> "Jeff Ayers" <jeff.ayers@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:ICIQa.62708$ye4.44496@sccrnsc01:
>
> > Why? When Clinton bombed an aspirin factory based on faulty CIA
> > information, did you call for his impeachment?
> >
> > Jeff

>
> clinton was an ass -- he wasn't costing us 1 billion a fucking month.


Thank you! Clinton screwed up some thing royally. Rwanda was one. But how
does this get Bush off the hook? Bush's ass needs to stay in office so we
can vote his ass out in a landslide. Send a message to the jackasses or in
this case the jackasses will send the message.


> People die every day and governments do stupid shit -- but when it costs
> YOU and ME that kind of cash it's time to put a stop to it. Forget human
> rights, forget WMD, forget all that.. bottom line is this is costing us a
> shitload of dough and I'm tired of it


They think all that cheap Iraqi oil under our command is going to make
up for any cost in human lives. This is the thinking of the oil men we have
in the White House. Cheney should resign and probably will. I don't think
his ticker can hold up to questioning by congressional committee.

John


 
Collin Peter Michaels
[5] Posted by Collin Peter Michaels 07-15-2003, 03:24 AM
 
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Steve wrote:

> This quote alone should be enough to justify it:
>
> "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that
> the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal
> weapons ever devised."


Why? It is a factual statement.

> What I don't understand is people who ignore all the solid proof Bush did
> lie, but continue to support Bush's assertions...in the absence of any
> proof from him to support them.


There is no evidence, let alone "solid proof", that Bush lied.

> ...so Iraq was no threat. Bush went ahead with an illegal invasion and
> as a direct result at least 214 Americans are dfead plus thousands of
> Iraqis. The wounded, disabled and disfigured would be many times that
> number on both sides.


The number of dead Iraqis is unimportant. Your duty as an American is to
the Commander-in-Chief, not to some abstract idealistic notion that places
Iraqi lives above the safety of Americans.

 
Chimp Boy
[6] Posted by Chimp Boy 07-15-2003, 05:25 AM
 
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"abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:bevpku$asa$1@slb4.atl.mindspring.net:

>
> "Jeff Ayers" <jeff.ayers@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ICIQa.62708$ye4.44496@sccrnsc01...
>> Why? When Clinton bombed an aspirin factory based on faulty CIA

> information,
>> did you call for his impeachment?

>
> 1) "what about clinton, what about Clinton?" isn't an argument
> 2) President Clinton did not lie to the nation trying to get the USA
> to commit itself to a war and rebuilding of a country. Just about
> every piller of the Administrations case for the pre-emptive war has
> fallen apart. No WMDs, no immediate threat, no Nukes, no attempts to
> buy nuclear materials.


No connection to Al-Qeda, no nerve gas, no danger to the stability of the
Middle East - but they do have a lot of oil...

And just who did Bush and Cheney give those lucrative oil rebuilding
contracts to after the war, and in spite of their track record of
defrauding the US government? Why, it was their old friends at
Haliburton Oil! The very company Cheney was CEO of - coincidence?

http://www.nathannewman.org/log/archives/000295.shtml
http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/25/news...war_contracts/

> Dubya ought to be Impeached, removed from office, and tossed in
> Prison.


Here, here!

 
ronin
[7] Posted by ronin 07-15-2003, 06:06 AM
 
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"Collin Peter Michaels" <choad@bnl24.ten.nl> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.21.0307150818210.10536-100000@bnl24.ten.nl...
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Steve wrote:
>
> > This quote alone should be enough to justify it:
> >
> > "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt

that
> > the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal
> > weapons ever devised."

>
> Why? It is a factual statement.
>
> > What I don't understand is people who ignore all the solid proof Bush

did
> > lie, but continue to support Bush's assertions...in the absence of any
> > proof from him to support them.

>
> There is no evidence, let alone "solid proof", that Bush lied.
>
> > ...so Iraq was no threat. Bush went ahead with an illegal invasion and
> > as a direct result at least 214 Americans are dfead plus thousands of
> > Iraqis. The wounded, disabled and disfigured would be many times that
> > number on both sides.

>
> The number of dead Iraqis is unimportant. Your duty as an American is to
> the Commander-in-Chief, not to some abstract idealistic notion that places
> Iraqi lives above the safety of Americans.


You fucking sheep - I can see why a moron like Bush is the best you can do
for a leader.

BTW, he's only the commmander in chief to the armed services.

To the rest of the US, he's a temp.

Duty to your leader is the North Korean idea of citizenship, loser.







>



 
dave
[8] Posted by dave 07-15-2003, 06:48 AM
 
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There is no doubt that Bush's lies run deeper and more serious than Clinton,
and maybe worse than Nixon.

"Jeff Ayers" <jeff.ayers@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ICIQa.62708$ye4.44496@sccrnsc01...
> Why? When Clinton bombed an aspirin factory based on faulty CIA

information,
> did you call for his impeachment?
>
> Jeff
>
> "Steve" <steve@nospam4me.org> wrote in message
> news:MbHQa.4877$9f7.567913@news02.tsnz.net...
> >
> > This quote alone should be enough to justify it:
> >
> > "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt

that
> > the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal
> > weapons ever devised."
> >
> > George W. Bush
> > March 17, 2003
> >
> >
> > ....so on March 17th, three days before the invasion, Bush says he had

> proof
> > that left "no doubt".
> >
> > Ok....where is it?
> >
> > All proof presented must be from March 17th or prior or Bush is a
> > liar.....who lied to go to war.
> >
> > What I don't understand is people who ignore all the solid proof Bush

did
> > lie, but continue to support Bush's assertions...in the absence of any
> > proof from him to support them.
> >
> > Eh?
> >
> > ...so Iraq was no threat. Bush went ahead with an illegal invasion and

as
> a
> > direct result at least 214 Americans are dfead plus thousands of Iraqis.
> > The wounded, disabled and disfigured would be many times that number on
> > both sides.
> >
> > Bush...who took the Presidency without honor...has gone downhill since

> then
> > to the extent of lying so he can go to war.
> >
> > No wonder he opposes the International Criminal Court. He should be

> standing
> > trial before it if no corrupted American court has the integrity to see
> > justice done.
> >
> > --
> > Steve
> > --
> > "Naturally, the common people don't want war;
> > neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
> > nor for that matter in Germany.
> > That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
> > of the country who determine the policy and
> > it is always a simple matter to drag the people
> > along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
> > dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
> > dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
> > always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
> > That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
> > they are being attacked and denounce the
> > pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
> > the country to danger. It works the same way
> > in any country."
> > - Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
> >

>
>



 
dave
[9] Posted by dave 07-15-2003, 06:51 AM
 
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"WIlliam G. Moore" <williamgmoore@cox.net> wrote in message
news:2dn6hvo1p2bkee902sqtdd48r9np8ii5go@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:40:28 +1200, Steve <steve@nospam4me.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > This quote alone should be enough to justify it:
> >
> > "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt

that
> > the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal
> > weapons ever devised."
> >
> > George W. Bush
> > March 17, 2003
> >
> >
> > ....so on March 17th, three days before the invasion, Bush says he had

proof
> > that left "no doubt".
> >
> > Ok....where is it?
> >
> > All proof presented must be from March 17th or prior or Bush is a
> > liar.....who lied to go to war.
> >

> I think the operative word here is "continues." There is simply no doubt

whatsoever
> that statement was true before 1998 when Saddam kicked the UN inspectors

out.
> The list of weapons they found, tested and tagged is on the UN web site

and no reasonable
> person believes Saddam waited until the inspectors found ALL his weapons

before he kicked
> them out. (Actually, they fled after their office was attacked with an

RPG and Saddam refused
> to let them back in)
>
> As of January 27, 2003, Dr. Blix his own self said there was some 1,000

tonnes of gas
> (VX, IIRC) "unaccounted for" and he got that number from Iraq's own

weapons declarations.
>
> But, 3 months later did Iraq still "continue to possess..."? We don't

know but I think it
> is reasonable to conclude he did. Saddam wouldn't have given up all that

oil revenue
> for no reason. Had he cooperated, he could have been selling oil 5 years

ago.
>
> > What I don't understand is people who ignore all the solid proof Bush

did
> > lie, but continue to support Bush's assertions...in the absence of any
> > proof from him to support them.
> >

> Are you expecting President Bush personally to present some kind of proof?

Intelligence
> rarely yields "proof" - the best you can do is draw reasonable conclusions

from the facts.
> If we look at the UN web site at:

http://www.un.org/Depts/unscom/Achie...ievements.html
>

The operative word is IMPEACH. Much of the "Intelligence" used was outdated,
coming from the early 90s, and was no longer valid. More of the
"Intelligence" was politicized by the Bush gang.


 
dave
[10] Posted by dave 07-15-2003, 10:33 PM
 
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"z" <z@yada.yada.com> wrote in message
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> "dave" <dave@gbronline.com> wrote in
> news:RIScnZABT-aqU46iXTWJhA@gbronline.com:
>
> >
> > "z" <z@yada.yada.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xns93B8D068433Ezyadayadayada@206.127.4.22...
> >> "Jeff Ayers" <jeff.ayers@comcast.net> wrote in
> >> news:ICIQa.62708$ye4.44496@sccrnsc01:
> >>
> >> > Why? When Clinton bombed an aspirin factory based on faulty CIA
> >> > information, did you call for his impeachment?
> >> >
> >> > Jeff
> >>
> >> clinton was an ass -- he wasn't costing us 1 billion a fucking month.
> >> People die every day and governments do stupid shit -- but when it
> >> costs YOU and ME that kind of cash it's time to put a stop to it.
> >> Forget human rights, forget WMD, forget all that.. bottom line is
> >> this is costing us a shitload of dough and I'm tired of it

> >
> >
> > $5 billion a month combining Iraq and Afghanistan. Job losses and
> > unfunded Homeland Security here.
> >
> >

>
> i know -- i meant a billion a week. Geez you know its bad when you are

off
> by a factor of 4 or 5 but it's still a valid argument. A billion a month
> would be bad.. a billion a week HOLY FUCKING CRAP. What crack are those
> guys smoking?


Pretzel Crack. It's a new White House formulation.


 
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