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[1] Posted by Gandalf Grey 07-14-2003, 07:34 PM |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/14/po...ml?ex=10591572
31&ei=1&en=296709faf021fb6e July 14, 2003 Democrats Attack Credibility of Bush By ADAM NAGOURNEY WASHINGTON, July 13 - Democratic presidential candidates offered a near-unified assault today on President Bush's credibility in his handling of the Iraq war, signaling a shift in the political winds by aggressively invoking arguments most had shunned since the fall of Baghdad. In interviews, town hall meetings and television appearances, several Democratic presidential candidates, who had been sharply divided over whether to go war, declared that President Bush's credibility had been harmed because of his use of unsubstantiated evidence in supporting the looming invasion of Iraq in his State of the Union address in January. They also criticized the administration for what has happened in postwar Iraq, especially the continued deaths of American military personnel, which many attributed to Mr. Bush's failure to enlist the help of the United Nations in conducting the war. They questioned the failure to uncover the nuclear, chemical or biological weapons Mr. Bush had cited in pressing for war. "The most important attribute that any president has is his credibility - his credibility with the American people, with its allies and with the world," Senator John Edwards of North Carolina, who voted for the war resolution last fall, said in a telephone interview today. "When the president's own statements are called into question, it's a very serious matter." Mr. Edwards added, "It's important that we not lose sight of the bigger picture, which is the enormous failure that is looming in Iraq right now." Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, who also supported Mr. Bush last fall, cited the intelligence failures in an interview today as he challenged Mr. Bush's ability to protect the nation from terrorism. "Americans have a right to ask a question, `Are we safer today than we were three years ago?' " he said. And, criticizing Mr. Bush's failure to enlist international support before starting the war, he said: "It's obvious now with the lack of international support in Iraq that our troops are at risk because we don't have the kind of plan that would have come with adequate diplomacy." The shift in the debate from the Democratic side reflected a sudden confluence of events: the administration's admission of error regarding the State of the Union speech, the continuing carnage in Iraq and the failure of the United States to find the weapons that it used as a justification for invading Iraq. Until now, most of the Democrats had been reluctant to criticize a war that had appeared successful and, polls suggested, was largely supported by the American public. "It's the first time we've seen them sweat," Jennifer Palmieri, the spokeswoman for Mr. Edwards, said of the White House. "It's the first time anything has ever stuck." There were signs today that the White House had put been on the defensive by the wave of criticism of the State of the Union speech and the deteriorating events in Iraq. It dispatched top administration officials to the television talk shows to explain what had happened with the speech and assure the American public that events in Iraq were under control. While it remained too early to measure whether this has genuinely changed the political landscape more than a year before the presidential election, it clearly has altered the dynamics in the Democratic primary. The recent problems in Iraq have offered Democrats who supported the war a way to criticize Mr. Bush's war policy without appearing to be admitting any past error. Among them are Mr. Kerry, Mr. Edwards, Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut and Representative Richard A. Gephardt of Missouri, all of whom have been increasingly critical of Mr. Bush's Iraq policy. And the changing sentiments about the war have provided a new affirmation for the position taken by Howard Dean, the former Vermont governor whose opposition to the war has helped power him into the front tier of the Democratic competition. Dr. Dean said today that he foresaw the shortfalls of Mr. Bush's Iraq policy from his perch in the Vermont Statehouse last fall - and mockingly questioned why his opponents in Congress had failed to do so. "I think they bear some responsibility here," Dr. Dean said. "If I as governor of Vermont can figure out the case is not there to invade Iraq, how can three senators and a congressman who claim to have authority in public affairs manage to give the president unilateral authority to attack Iraq?" "It looks like my analysis was the correct one and theirs was the incorrect one," he continued. "It's going to be hard for them to make the case that I don't have the credentials on foreign policy after this." Dr. Dean also called today for the resignations of George J. Tenet, the director of central intelligence, and Stephen J. Hadley, the deputy national security adviser, pointing to reports that both men knew in October that the disputed information - that Iraq had tried to buy nuclear information from Africa - was incorrect. For all the flurry today, the situation could turn again if, for example, dangerous weapons are discovered, as Mr. Rumsfeld predicted in interviews on ABC's "This Week" and NBC's "Meet the Press." Still, there was abundant evidence that there has been a broad change in the nature of the Democratic presidential campaign. Mr. Kerry has scheduled a speech in New York City on Wednesday that will include what one aide described as a "blistering critique" of Mr. Bush's foreign policy, and Mr. Gephardt has scheduled a speech on the same subject for next week in San Francisco. Last week, Mr. Lieberman wrote an Op-Ed column in The Washington Post asserting that the opportunity to build a stable Iraq "was now in jeopardy." On "Meet the Press," Senator Bob Graham of Florida, who voted against the Iraq resolution and has long accused the administration of holding back critical intelligence data, suggested today that the White House had manipulated public opinion in making the case for war. "There was a selective use of intelligence; that is, that information which was consistent with the administration's policy was given a front-row seat," Mr. Graham said. "Those questions that were not supported were either put in the closet or were certainly in the back rows." At a town hall meeting today in Dubuque, Iowa, Mr. Gephardt repeatedly attacked Mr. Bush, even as he struggled at times to contend with catcalls from audience members critical of the central role he played as minority leader by supporting Mr. Bush's Iraq policy last fall. "We had a president from Missouri named Harry Truman, and he had a sign on his desk that said, `The buck stops here,' " said Mr. Gephardt in the meeting, which was televised on C-Span. "I think the president has to get that sign back on the desk." Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company -- -- FAIR USE NOTICE: This post contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I am making such material available in an effort to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. I believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107 "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." - GW Bush 12/18/2000. "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ---Theodore Roosevelt "Feels Good!" ---George W. Bush on the Brink of Declaring War on Iraq. |
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[2] Posted by Sam Kinison 07-14-2003, 08:06 PM |
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See http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may071103.asp
for a discussion of how silly Bush's critics have been on this Niger issue. In the State of the Union address, Bush said: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." From the article comes the challenge: "Precisely which part of that statement isn't true? " |
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[3] Posted by qwerty 07-14-2003, 09:41 PM |
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"Sam Kinison" <Am I still dead?Oh Ohhhhhhhhh@Vegas.com> wrote in message news:NHGQa.1920$Mc.177386@newsread1.prod.itd.earth link.net... > See http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may071103.asp > for a discussion of how silly Bush's critics have been on this > Niger issue. > > In the State of the Union address, Bush said: "The British > government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently > sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." > > From the article comes the challenge: > "Precisely which part of that statement isn't true? " "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" Technically correct! |
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[4] Posted by Sam Kinison 07-14-2003, 11:19 PM |
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"qwerty" <nospam@all.com> wrote in message news:L4IQa.3001$7%6.1875@newssvr16.news.prodigy.co m... > > "Sam Kinison" <Am I still dead?Oh Ohhhhhhhhh@Vegas.com> wrote in message > news:NHGQa.1920$Mc.177386@newsread1.prod.itd.earth link.net... > > See http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may071103.asp > > for a discussion of how silly Bush's critics have been on this > > Niger issue. > > > > In the State of the Union address, Bush said: "The British > > government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently > > sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." > > > > From the article comes the challenge: > > "Precisely which part of that statement isn't true? " > > "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" > > Technically correct! > > > ================== Clinton di dnot say " i did not have sexual intercourse with that woman". Anyone that says having a penis shoved in your mouth is not " sexual relations'" is obviously a victim of Democrat NEA controlled schools. |
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[5] Posted by George Leroy Tyrebiter Jr. 07-15-2003, 12:00 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:41:15 GMT, "qwerty" <nospam@all.com> wrote:
> >"Sam Kinison" <Am I still dead?Oh Ohhhhhhhhh@Vegas.com> wrote in message >news:NHGQa.1920$Mc.177386@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net... >> See http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may071103.asp >> for a discussion of how silly Bush's critics have been on this >> Niger issue. >> >> In the State of the Union address, Bush said: "The British >> government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently >> sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." >> >> From the article comes the challenge: >> "Precisely which part of that statement isn't true? " > >"I did not have sexual relations with that woman" And it wasn't his fault - his chief of staff should have pulled that line from the speech. > >Technically correct! > |
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[6] Posted by George Leroy Tyrebiter Jr. 07-15-2003, 12:03 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 02:19:51 GMT, "Sam Kinison" <Am I still dead?Oh
Ohhhhhhhhh@Vegas.com> wrote: > >"qwerty" <nospam@all.com> wrote in message >news:L4IQa.3001$7%6.1875@newssvr16.news.prodigy.c om... >> >> "Sam Kinison" <Am I still dead?Oh Ohhhhhhhhh@Vegas.com> wrote in message >> news:NHGQa.1920$Mc.177386@newsread1.prod.itd.earth link.net... >> > See http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may071103.asp >> > for a discussion of how silly Bush's critics have been on this >> > Niger issue. >> > >> > In the State of the Union address, Bush said: "The British >> > government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently >> > sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." >> > >> > From the article comes the challenge: >> > "Precisely which part of that statement isn't true? " >> >> "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" >> >> Technically correct! >> >> >> ================== > >Clinton di dnot say " i did not have sexual intercourse with that woman". >Anyone that says having a penis shoved in your mouth is not " sexual >relations'" is obviously a victim of Democrat NEA controlled schools. Monica, in a taped conversation with Linda Tripp, argued that she and Bill had not had sex - that they had only had fellatio. In addition - websters defines sexual relations as "intercourse" So you have your definition - but you are just wrong. Plus it was not Bill's fault. His chief of staff should have pulled that line from the speech. Had the Chief of Staff insisted the line be pulled - Clinton would not have delivered it. So it was not Clinton's fault - just as the Bush line about Iraq going nuclear was not Bush's fault. Do you find that defense of Clinton persuasive? If not - what does that imply about what Bush did? > > |
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[7] Posted by John Starrett 07-15-2003, 01:33 AM |
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Sam Kinison wrote:
> > See http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may071103.asp > for a discussion of how silly Bush's critics have been on this > Niger issue. > > In the State of the Union address, Bush said: "The British > government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently > sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." > > From the article comes the challenge: > "Precisely which part of that statement isn't true? " The part that says "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." The British government had learned no such thing, because the incident in question never happened. The documentation was forged. -- John Starrett "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." Samuel Adams |
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[8] Posted by Tazmanian Weasel 07-15-2003, 01:52 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:00:07 -0700, George Leroy Tyrebiter Jr.
<porgy@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote: >On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:41:15 GMT, "qwerty" <nospam@all.com> wrote: > >> >>"Sam Kinison" <Am I still dead?Oh Ohhhhhhhhh@Vegas.com> wrote in message >>news:NHGQa.1920$Mc.177386@newsread1.prod.itd.ear thlink.net... >>> See http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may071103.asp >>> for a discussion of how silly Bush's critics have been on this >>> Niger issue. >>> >>> In the State of the Union address, Bush said: "The British >>> government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently >>> sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." >>> >>> From the article comes the challenge: >>> "Precisely which part of that statement isn't true? " >> >>"I did not have sexual relations with that woman" > >And it wasn't his fault - his chief of staff should have pulled that >line from the speech. At least he didn't have sexual relations with Iraq, like Putsch did. > > >> >>Technically correct! >> "We are going to fight them and impose our will on them and we will capture or, if necessary, kill them until we have imposed law and order upon this country," -- Viceroy Paul Bremer, explaining how America is going to 'hearts and minds' the subjugated people of Iraq Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to. For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary, http://www.zeppscommentaries.com |
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[9] Posted by rightwing@nutty.com 07-15-2003, 01:55 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:06:21 GMT, "Sam Kinison" <Am I still dead?Oh Ohhhhhhhhh@Vegas.com>
wrote: >See http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may071103.asp >for a discussion of how silly Bush's critics have been on this >Niger issue. > >In the State of the Union address, Bush said: "The British >government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently >sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." > >From the article comes the challenge: >"Precisely which part of that statement isn't true? " The part where he said that Saddam had a "45 minute capability of unleashing tons of Anthrax, Chemical, biological weapons and that Attacking them was imperative" The S.O.U speech was only one part of the lies --------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:08:21 -0500, Christopher Morton <chris01@ameritech.net> wrote: >Sorry, I'm a pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action liberal. No, MORTONLOON All you are, or ever were, or ever WILL be is a big, dumb, ass-kicked Gunwhoring chickenshit usenet moron. >Yes, and it pisses you off, you crossburning ignoramus. |
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[10] Posted by Tempest 07-15-2003, 02:01 AM |
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John Starrett wrote: > > Sam Kinison wrote: > > > > See http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may071103.asp > > for a discussion of how silly Bush's critics have been on this > > Niger issue. > > > > In the State of the Union address, Bush said: "The British > > government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently > > sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." > > > > From the article comes the challenge: > > "Precisely which part of that statement isn't true? " > > The part that says "The British government has learned that > Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of > uranium from Africa." > > The British government had learned no such thing, because > the incident in question never happened. The documentation > was forged. Have you noticed how the rightards are so scared of the damage this is going to do to Bush that they are parsing every single word? Bush's approval rating is down 18 points in the latest poll. -- "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Teddy Roosevelt |
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