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> > I would like to believe that we know for sure that Moslems were behind
> > the Sept 11 horrors. Those who have read broadly on the events of 911
> > and looked at all the evidence remain extremely perplexed by the
> > inconsistencies.
>
>
> Let me guess, you think Jews did it?

I have no idea who committed 911, but suspect that perhaps rather
stupid Moslems were involved while others knew about it and
benefited. As of yet the evidence presented does not support the
evidence contradicting the claims made. Things like the finding of
the Atta passport in the rubble, only days after the attacks, and the
fact that the black boxes of the planes that hit the World Trade
Center could not be found were too extraordinary. The Arabic flight
manuals found in the parking lot of Logan's airport was another one of
those suspicious finds. Even stranger were the claims made by Bin
Laden, that only Atta knew of the operation, assuming that the tapes
were not forgeries (something very easy to do with today's
technology). There are other scores of inconsistencies and miraculous
finds, such as the letters found in Atta's Luggage which were
supposedly placed in the wrong plane.

I have sifted through the available evidence and read scores of
articles. I am also aware that an independent probe was actively
discouraged by the USA government. Further, I am highly suspicious of
how the evidence surrounding the collapse of the buildings was
destroyed almost immediately.

Let me finish by bringing to you attention that the attack on Iraq was
mediated by the used of documents that carried no validity, ie forged
documents. This has been widely discussed in the elite European
Presses, and touched upon on the USA media.


I am including some articles for the interested readers. The following
articles will only nuance their understanding of Sept 11 and will not
provide an answer as to who was responsible for the attacks. I believe
that the black box for the Pennsylvania crash was found subsequently,
but that the most important time frame is missing from the tape.

Some articles:


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Strange Case Of The Black Box
And The Indestructible Passport
By Sam Yousef

9-21-1

The Black Box and the Indestructible Passport

All four Black Boxes were supposedly destroyed and rendered unusable
in spite of the fact that they are designed specifically for plane
crashes which result in insurmountable conditions...yet one of the
hijackers passports supposedly survives fire and heat of over 1,000
degrees fahrenheit and is found in perfect shape in the rubble around
the WTC towers? What kind of idiots does the FBI take us for?

How indestructible are the so-called "Black Boxes"?

Each airplane is equipped with a Flight Data Recorder and a Cockpit
Voice Recorded. The term "Black Box" is used for these pieces of
equipment. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) web site
gives valuable information regarding these devices.

Regarding the Cockpit Voice Recorder it says:

"The CVR records the flight crew's voices, as well as other sounds
inside the cockpit. The recorder's "cockpit area microphone" is
usually located on the overhead instrument panel between the two
pilots. Sounds of interest to an investigator could be engine noise,
stall warnings, landing gear extension and retraction, and other
clicks and pops. From these sounds, parameters such as engine rpm,
system failures, speed, and the time at which certain events occur can
often be determined. Communications with Air Traffic Control,
automated radio weather briefings, and conversation between the pilots
and ground or cabin crew are also recorded." [NTSB web site]

Regarding the Flight Data Recorder it says:

"The FDR onboard the aircraft records many different operating
conditions of the flight. By regulation, newly manufactured aircraft
must monitor at least twenty eight important parameters such as time,
altitude, airspeed, heading, and aircraft attitude. In addition, some
FDRs can record the status of more than 300 other in-flight
characteristics that can aid in the investigation. The items monitored
can be anything from flap position to auto-pilot mode or even smoke
alarms." [NTSB web site]

Thus as we see each plane is equipped with two seperate "Black Box"
devices which relay different yet complimentary information. It goes
on to say:

"Both the Flight Data Recorder and the Cockpit Voice Recorder have
proven to be valuable tools in the accident investigation process.
They can provide information THAT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN BY OTHER
MEANS." [NTSB web site]

They are meant to be the hardy and sure way to get information
regarding the last minutes before the plane went down. Here are the
specifications of these devices including what they can withstand:

FLIGHT DATA RECORDER

Time recorded: 25 hour continuous Number of parameters: 5 - 300+
Impact tolerance: 3400Gs /6.5ms Fire resistance: 1100 degC/30 min
Water pressure resistance: submerged 20,000 ft Underwater locator
beacon: 37.5 KHz Battery: 6yr shelf life 30 day operation

COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER

Time recorded: 30 min continuous, 2 hours for solid state digital
units Number of channels: 4 Impact tolerance: 3400 Gs /6.5ms Fire
resistance: 1100 deg C /30 min Water pressure resistance: submerged
20,000 ft Underwater locator beacon: 37.5 KHz Battery: 6yr shelf life
30 day operation

These specifications indicate equipment which can survive just about
any conditions and any crash. Indeed, Black Boxes have been recovered
from crashes in swamps, mountains, and oceans.

ABC News reports:

"Although investigators look for an entire black box, sometimes the
only parts of the device that survive are the recorder's
crash-survivable memory units (CSMU). THE CSMU IS ALMOST
INDESTRUCTABLE. It is housed within a stainless-steel shell that
contains titanium or aluminum and a high-temperature insulation of dry
silica material."

"It is designed to withstand HEAT OF UP TO 2,000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT
FOR ONE HOUR, salt water for at least 30 days, immersion in a variety
of liquids such as jet fuel and lubricants, AND AN IMPACT OF 3,400
G's. By comparison, astronauts are typically exposed to up to six Gs
during a shuttle takeoff." [ABCNews]

So the Black Box is designed to withstand an impact of 3,400 G's. So
what about the Pennsylvania crash site?

"THE VOICE RECORDER WAS SAID TO BE HEAVILY DAMAGED, and the
manufacturer was being asked to help with further analysis. The plane
that crashed in Pennsylvania was reported to have hit the ground in
excess of 500 MILES PER HOUR." [ABCN ews]

The plane hit the ground at 500 mph. Taking the weight of the plane,
its speed of descent, the G's end up much, much lower than 3,400.

Since each plane has two seperate Black Boxes which are designed to be
indestructable in the event of a tragedy, that makes a total of EIGHT
BLACK BOXES. If we are to believe that all the Black Boxes were
damaged beyond use, then that is to say EIGHT BLACK BOXES in total
were destroyed, while a measley paper passport survived.

Then the final paragraph of the same article says: "Investigators are
less confident they will recover the black boxes buried underneath the
rubble of the World Trade Center." So there is no hope of recovering
the virtually indestructable Black Box from the rubble, but a paper
passport survives in such a perfect state that it is "a significant
piece of evidence"?

CNN reports one of the hijackers passports was found in the rubble of
the World Trade Center vicinity:

"The searchers found several clues, he said, but would not elaborate.
Last week, a passport belonging to one of the hijackers was found in
the vicinity of Vesey Street, near the World Trade Center. 'It was a
significant piece of evidence for us,' Mawn said." [ CNN]

Also CNN reports:

"In New York, several blocks from the ruins of the World Trade Center,
a passport authorities said belonged to one of the hijackers was
discovered a few days ago, according to city Police Commissioner
Bernard Kerik." [CNN ]

Aside from the idiocy of any suggestion that a passport would survive
a plane crash that is allegedly so severe it destroys the virtually
indestructable Black Box, we are also led to believe that the passport
"flew away", out of the hijackers pocket, down a few blocks from the
WTC grounds. Why a few blocks away? Could it be because it was a place
out of everyone's sight?

It is also well known that paper was strewn all over the scene of the
plane crash. This was due to the sudden shattering of the windows
which would immediately eject all paper materials out of the building
before incineration. A passport in someone's pocket who is sitting on
a plane that explodes will suffer the same fate as the person whose
pocket it is in, and the plane they are sitting in: absolute
cremation.

United Airlines flight 93 crashed into a field in Pennsylvania. There
was no explosion and no impact into a building and no 100+ story
towers crashed down on top of it. Yet, we are led to believe that both
of its Black Boxes were destroyed and/or damaged beyond use as well.

Other airline tragedies also reveal that in each and every case the
Black Box is recovered, albeit damaged, but with full usability. Such
crashes include EgyptAir flight 990, a 767, and TWA flight 800, a 747.
Both crashes resulted in tremendous compromise of the planes physical
integrity, but in spite of this the Cockpit Voice Recorders were
recovered.

So we have established that the survival of a passport of someone in
an exploded plane is lunacy. However, for the sake of argument lets
say the passport survived. If the passport did indeed survive then so
did the Black Box. If the Black Box did indeed survive as we have
proven beyond a shred of doubt, then why the complete and utter lie
that it was damaged beyond use? What are they hiding? This will be
dealt with irrefutably in the next section of this analysis into the
corruption which has seeped into the U.S. government, its foreign
policy and its intelligence services.

This analysis has just begun, yet any sound minded person is already
forced to question the validity of this entire farce. I intend to
dismantle this investigation piece by piece as time allows. If the
American people are so concerned with finding justice, why aren't more
exposing these inconsistencies, fabrications and outright lies as I
have? Do we Americans want JUSTICE SERVED or do we want MORE BLOOD of
innocent civilians? Thus far, in the United States of America, due to
the anger over the tragedy dubbed "PENTTBOM", there have been at least
three homicidal attacks against immigrants. Now an overwhelming 80% of
them are supporting an invasion into a remote country that has
absolutely nothing to do with this tragedy. Instead of using their
heads to get to the bottom of this and prosecute the criminals behind
this act, they are killing their neighbors, and laying the heads of
good American soldiers and innocent Afghan women and children on the
chopping block. I say "them" at this point and not "us", because I
distance myself from those who commit hate crimes in the name of
"America" whom I have just described. Someone is playing a very sick
game upon us all right under our noses, and it will cost us our very
lives if we do not STOP them.

ABC News reports: "...And 69 percent say they'd support military
action even if it means a long war with substantial U.S. military
casualties."

You want "substantial U.S. military casualties"? What the hell is
wrong with everyone? The Afghans have never lost a war in 800 years.
They not only drove the Russians out of their country but it lead to
the dissolution of the Soviet Empire. They have brought empire after
empire to their knees. In a CNN interview with Jill Dougherty, Leo
Korolkov who trained the Russian Special Forces (equivalent of our
Delta Force) said he saw Afghans shot to ribbons and ripped to pieces
still charging at them. In his words: "These fighters can bring any
country, even a superpower -- be it Russia, the United States or
Europe -- to the brink of catastrophe."

Nearly 70 percent of Americans support sacrificing more American lives
to invade a country that couldn't be further removed from any
responsibility in this tragedy to find ONE MAN before this circus of
an investigation has even been completed. Have we learned nothing from
the plumes of terror that rose from the ashes of the World Trade
Center, the Pentagon, and a morose field in Pennsylvania which shook
our hearts and souls that fateful Tuesday? I fear that we have not.



Comment

From Dave Luke
davlukco@bellsouth.net
9-22-1

Jeff,

I have dealt with the manufacture of military hot section parts for
25+ years. I know the alloys that are used. I know their cost and
their worth as scrap metal. I also know that the alloys used in the
manufacture of the Black Boxes are of this type material. Very well,
you say. But so what? ... there is more to it...

I have seen these black boxes and also their contents. They are
incredibly simple - but incredibly ingenious. Picture a pile of
newspapers or magazines in the dump, in a fire, only the outer edges
are damaged-after years of sitting. They are made of P A P E R. The
black boxes are made of extremely strong and resilient materials. More
importantly, the material that holds the information is not what the
FBI would like you to know about.

This material is made of the most indestructible alloys known to man.
They can take temperatures over 2000 Deg. F and never know that they
had been hot! They can survive salt water immersion for a lot longer
(years) than investigators would let them lay there. (They are usually
found within a few days.) But most importantly, they are not simple
tapes or cassettes made of plastic, but they are thin strips of this
"hot-section" type "super" alloy.

The same type as used in the afterburner sections of the F-15's and
F-16's--the parts that get white hot, over, and over, and over and
still keeps on working.

But - and here is the beginning of what is truly brilliant, they are
marked with a stylus not so much different than that of our old 33 1/3
vinyl albums, but in reverse. The information is scribed into this
alloy along with timing "nicks" for time/date reference. Here comes
the good part: Now, the marked strip is "rolled" up into a continuous
roll of high temperature alloy that by design only allows the EDGES of
the roll to be exposed to damage (THE DATA ARE IN THE CENTER OF THE
STRIP), while the mass of the continuous strip shields the "whole"
from damage. What we have is a nearly indestructible roll of data
material inside of a nearly indestructible box that is not unlike the
magazines or newspaper that survives years of exposure and can still
be read as P A P E R!!!!

So, when the FBI tells us that the boxes were nearly destroyed--you
can think perhaps...BUT, during their near destruction (or even total
destruction), they did what they were designed to do--to protect the
metal roll that by design is nearly indestructible by itself.

---NO DATA?--BALONEY!!!!!!!

Please let the citizens of America know the truth.

Another interesting article:


http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0929-07.htm



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The Lavon Affair:

In 1954, Israeli agents working in Egypt planted bombs in several
buildings, including a United States diplomatic facility, and left
evidence behind implicating Arabs as the culprits. The ruse would have
worked, had not one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the
Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, which in turn
led to the round up of an Israeli spy ring.
Some of the spies were from Israel, while others were recruited fro
the local Jewish population. Israel responded to the scandal with
claims in the media that there was no spy ring, that it was all a hoax
perpetrated by "anti-Semites". But as the public trial progressed, it
was evidence that Israel had indeed been behind the bombing.
Eventually, Israeli's Defense Minister Pinhas Lavon was brought down
by the scandal, although it appears that he was himself the victim of
a frame-up by the real authors of the bombing project, code named
"Operation Susannah."

It is therefore a fact that Israel has a prior history of setting off
bombs with the intent to blame Arabs for them.

This is not the only example of a "False Flag" operation designed to
trick the United States into attacking Israel's enemies. According to
Victor Ostrovsky, a Mossad defector now living in Canada, Ronald
Reagan was tricked into bombing Libya by means of a radio transmitter
smuggled into Tripoli by the Mossad, which broadcast messages designed
to fool the United States into thinking Libya was about to launch a
massive terror attack on the west. On the basis of this fake evidence,
the US bombed Libya, killing Khadaffi's daughter.

The Jews of Iraq is a story by a Jewish writer revealing yet another
false flag operation where Israelis used bombs and planted the blame
on Arabs

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Best wishes.

L Smithson