"Fred Freedom" <not@home.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 03:22:48 -0400, grub@internet.charitydays.co.uk
> wrote:
>
> >Bush may step in to censor 9/11
> >_________________________________________________ _____________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >It is anticipated that President George W Bush will invoke Executive
Privilege
> >to prevent the public knowing anything about certain key 9/11 evidence.
> >
> >
>
> It's the only way that he can avoid impeachment. The report will say
> that he was warned on Aug. 6, 2001 that Al-Qaeda was going to hijack
> planes and launch a spectacular attack. Bushes response? A month long
> vacation.
>

i love these catch-22's. even if true, it comes down to this. if one is
given intelligence, and does not immediately act on it, and something bad
happens, you screwed up. otoh, if one is given intelligence, and acts on
it, and the intelligence is later found to be bogus, one should have known
it was bogus. you can analogize this to all sorts of situations, not just
the current one. it goes along withe the old principle that hindsight is
20/20 (more like 20/15 or 20/10 actually).

intelligence is just that - intelligence. i don't think most people who
haven't worked in the field, really understand its value, its limits, and
how it is used. one can go back and selectively cherry pick intelligence to
show that almost any event was pre-ordained to happen, and that we should
have known and acted.. it's all about and picking and choosing intel, in
that respect. which is easy to do in hindsight. in reality, one deals with
intelligence primarily from a totality of the circumstances test. just for
people's education, btw, one commonly refers to three different types of
intelligence - strategic, operational, and tactical.

another thing people don't realize is how often intelligence leads to
success and prevention. we don't hear about the vast majority of responses
to intelligence that end successfully, only when there is something like the
WTC blowing up do we even pay attention to the warriors fighting our battles
and keeping us from peril every single day, and ask questions. every single
day, we have successful ops etc. that result in lives saved, bad guys
caught, etc..

i just thought i would share that with you. :l

whit

>
> >
> >_________________________________________________ _____________________
>

"whit" <whit@whit.net> wrote in message
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[...]
> i love these catch-22's. even if true, it comes down to this. if one is
> given intelligence, and does not immediately act on it, and something bad
> happens, you screwed up. otoh, if one is given intelligence, and acts on
> it, and the intelligence is later found to be bogus, one should have known
> it was bogus. you can analogize this to all sorts of situations, not just
> the current one. it goes along withe the old principle that hindsight is
> 20/20 (more like 20/15 or 20/10 actually).
>
> intelligence is just that - intelligence. i don't think most people who
> haven't worked in the field, really understand its value, its limits, and
> how it is used. one can go back and selectively cherry pick intelligence
to
> show that almost any event was pre-ordained to happen, and that we should
> have known and acted.. it's all about and picking and choosing intel, in
> that respect. which is easy to do in hindsight. in reality, one deals
with
> intelligence primarily from a totality of the circumstances test. just
for
> people's education, btw, one commonly refers to three different types of
> intelligence - strategic, operational, and tactical.
>
> another thing people don't realize is how often intelligence leads to
> success and prevention. we don't hear about the vast majority of
responses
> to intelligence that end successfully, only when there is something like
the
> WTC blowing up do we even pay attention to the warriors fighting our
battles
> and keeping us from peril every single day, and ask questions. every
single
> day, we have successful ops etc. that result in lives saved, bad guys
> caught, etc..
>
> i just thought i would share that with you. :l
>


This is all very true. However, add into the mix the beliefs of the people
in charge:
Bush -"God told me to attack Al Queda";
Wolfowitz and other neocons in the administration -" 'And advanced forms of
biological warfare that can "target" specific genotypes may transform
biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.'
etc.

And you see a pattern of jingoism combined with religious fervor that is
downright scary, at least to me.


--
New definition of irony:

'Today's liberal Democrats are like the supporters of the Third Reich of the
'30's and '40's
- they absolutely trusted the government to "make things right". '
-Comment made on the internet by an ardent GW Bush supporter.

In article <betanf$7ls$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>, english7@mindspring.com
says...

>And you see a pattern of jingoism combined with religious fervor that is
>downright scary, at least to me.

And to me. Does anyone ha'e a really good source and citation for Bush's "God
made me do it" statement? And why has it not been a banner headline in e'ery
paper in the country?

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:28:53 -0400, Gogarty wrote:

> In article <betanf$7ls$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>,
> english7@mindspring.com says...
>
>>And you see a pattern of jingoism combined with religious fervor that is
>>downright scary, at least to me.
>
> And to me. Does anyone ha'e a really good source and citation for Bush's
> "God made me do it" statement? And why has it not been a banner
> headline in e'ery paper in the country?

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/S...ID=0&listSrc=Y

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Gogarty <gogarty@dublin.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <betanf$7ls$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>, english7@mindspring.com
> says...
>
> >And you see a pattern of jingoism combined with religious fervor that is
> >downright scary, at least to me.
>
> And to me. Does anyone ha'e a really good source and citation for Bush's
"God
> made me do it" statement? And why has it not been a banner headline in
e'ery
> paper in the country?
>

because there is a single source, abbas, and he's not particularly credible
either.

whit

>

"whitster" <whit@whit.com> wrote in message
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>
> Gogarty <gogarty@dublin.edu> wrote in message
> news:UzydnRcxD7ebP4-iRTvUpQ@bway.net...
> > In article <betanf$7ls$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>,
english7@mindspring.com
> > says...
> >
> > >And you see a pattern of jingoism combined with religious fervor that
is
> > >downright scary, at least to me.
> >
> > And to me. Does anyone ha'e a really good source and citation for Bush's
> "God
> > made me do it" statement? And why has it not been a banner headline in
> e'ery
> > paper in the country?
> >
>
> because there is a single source, abbas, and he's not particularly
credible
> either.
>


Why? What motivation would he have to lie or distort the truth?

--
New definition of irony:

'Today's liberal Democrats are like the supporters of the Third Reich of the
'30's and '40's
- they absolutely trusted the government to "make things right". '
-Comment made on the internet by an ardent GW Bush supporter.

Lawson English <english7@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
> "whitster" <whit@whit.com> wrote in message
> news:YNDQa.1684$Mc.155783@newsread1.prod.itd.earth link.net...
> >
> > Gogarty <gogarty@dublin.edu> wrote in message
> > news:UzydnRcxD7ebP4-iRTvUpQ@bway.net...
> > > In article <betanf$7ls$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>,
> english7@mindspring.com
> > > says...
> > >
> > > >And you see a pattern of jingoism combined with religious fervor that
> is
> > > >downright scary, at least to me.
> > >
> > > And to me. Does anyone ha'e a really good source and citation for
Bush's
> > "God
> > > made me do it" statement? And why has it not been a banner headline
in
> > e'ery
> > > paper in the country?
> > >
> >
> > because there is a single source, abbas, and he's not particularly
> credible
> > either.
> >
>
>
> Why? What motivation would he have to lie or distort the truth?
>

among other reasons, because he is a palestinian leader, and the US
generally supports Israel.

i have no idea whether bush said what abbas claims.

whit

> --
> New definition of irony:
>
> 'Today's liberal Democrats are like the supporters of the Third Reich of
the
> '30's and '40's
> - they absolutely trusted the government to "make things right". '
> -Comment made on the internet by an ardent GW Bush supporter.
>
>
>

Lawson English <english7@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
> "whitster" <whit@whit.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Lawson English <english7@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:bev2at$acj$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...
> > >
> > > "whitster" <whit@whit.com> wrote in message
> > > news:YNDQa.1684$Mc.155783@newsread1.prod.itd.earth link.net...
> > > >
> > > > Gogarty <gogarty@dublin.edu> wrote in message
> > > > news:UzydnRcxD7ebP4-iRTvUpQ@bway.net...
> > > > > In article <betanf$7ls$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>,
> > > english7@mindspring.com
> > > > > says...
> > > > >
> > > > > >And you see a pattern of jingoism combined with religious fervor
> that
> > > is
> > > > > >downright scary, at least to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > And to me. Does anyone ha'e a really good source and citation for
> > Bush's
> > > > "God
> > > > > made me do it" statement? And why has it not been a banner
headline
> > in
> > > > e'ery
> > > > > paper in the country?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > because there is a single source, abbas, and he's not particularly
> > > credible
> > > > either.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Why? What motivation would he have to lie or distort the truth?
> > >
> >
> > among other reasons, because he is a palestinian leader, and the US
> > generally supports Israel.
>
> And Bush is the one who got Arafat to create his position, and Bush is the
> one trying to force Sharon to do things in favor of Palestine...
>

i am aware of that. abbas is still no great bush supporter.

> >
> > i have no idea whether bush said what abbas claims.
> >
>
> Nor do I, but I suspect that he did. Its very much in-character with what
he
> HAS said. He DOES see himself as being on a mission from God, as evidenced
> by his "unusual" presidential victory in 2000. Bush has said words to that
> effect himself: there's a [divine] reason why he was made president.
>

i don't suspect either way. it's not worth the time or energy to speculate
based on the claims of abbas.

whit

>
>
>
>
> --
> New definition of irony:
>
> 'Today's liberal Democrats are like the supporters of the Third Reich of
the
> '30's and '40's
> - they absolutely trusted the government to "make things right". '
> -Comment made on the internet by an ardent GW Bush supporter.
>
>
>