On 10 Jul 2003 08:47:30 -0700, Marie A. wrote:
> Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:


[ ... ]

>> I'm pretty sure that by now, the gay community is convinced that
>> so such thing as a SANE Christian even exists...

> A "sane Christian" we presume being that variety of Christian who not
> only loves the sinner but has come to love the sin as well. That kind
> of sane Christian?

Nope. A *sane* Christian is one who recognizes that NO passage in
the Bible suggests, encourages, or authorizes any person to act as an
ENFORCER of its precepts (or worse, it's *misperceived* and *nonexistent*
precepts) upon society in general. The Bible nether appointed a Gestapo
or recognizes one. And thus, the vast majority of Christians -- the 98%
of them that are both sensible and sane, simply IGNORE the sexual
orientation of others, since that is absolutely NONE of their business.

>> ...even though many millions of those of us out here who are
>> Christians are PRACTICING ones.

> Hmm, 40 million babies have been aborted since 1973.

NO baby has EVER been aborted, ignoramus. ALL babies have
been BORN.

But in line with Jesus prime directive -- that we show love and
compassion to our neighbors -- since a beneficent and intelligent U.S.
Supreme Court emancipated women in 1973, more than 30 million of
them have been enabled via the REMEDY of abortion to put their lives
BACK on track, and have their well-being and full range of future
opportunities RESTORED ro PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels.

Loathesome losers like YOU support an agenda that seeks to
impose IMMENSE hardship upon no fewer than tens of MILLIONS
of women by FORCING childbirth upon them. AGAINST their will.
Resulting in the DENIAL of their rights... their RELEGATION to
second-class-citizen status... their INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE to
mere, NON-sentient developing entities which are, in all important
ways, equivalent to sperm and ova (human, unique, NON-sentient,
a stage of development without which NO births would occur --
and alive); entities which the WOMEN would very properly, under
the circumstances, regard to be parasitic. Further manifestations of
that hardship would be the DISRUPTION of their well-being, both
short-term and long-term (as in, for decades or a lifetime)... and
the DESTRUCTION of countless of their opportunities.

Thus, you are totally without excuse.

And HYPOCRITICAL to the infinite power -- since you and your ilk ...
while WHINING over 4,000 z/e/fs that get aborted daily in the USA, look
the other way while more than 1,000,000,000,000,000 EQUALLY human,
unique, and living potential people -- the gametes that comprise Stage
One of the reproductive process -- are willfully aborted daily,
worldwide, via male masturbation.

You are most assuredly America's National Laughingstock... for a
whole HOST of reasons!

> That's over one million a year, and counting. Is that yet another
> one of your ideas of what a sane Christian is?

ROTFL!!!!! The Bible doesn't even MENTION abortion, much less
condemn it, even though, by the time of Christ, it had already been
widely practiced by society for more than 1,000 years (via
abortifacients), so its omission has nothing to do with its not being
around yet, back then. It was.

Now if you REALLY want to get on your high horse while making a total
fool of yourself, you'd do better to whine about something that is being
done by millions of people around the world right NOW -- which the Bible
call for the DEATH PENALTY for: Fortune-telling. You'd STILL get
yourself laughed out of town in your zealous pursuit of Ouija Board users
and Tarot Card readers, but at least you'd have SOME Biblical backing for
your insanity.

>> People who are compassionate, fair-minded, and NON-judgmental.

> If the behavior of your current crop of sane Christians is what you
> folks think of as being non-judgemental, the rest of us shudder to think
> of what might happen if you ever get irritated.

The SANE Christians are the ones you never hear about. Very NORMAL
people who mind their own business when it comes to PRIVATE matters on
the part of other people. As I said before ---

>> Problem is, the never hear about us because we're not high-profile
>> control-freaks like the RRR cultists. We are not even REMOTELY
>> control-freaks, and we loathe their self-righteous and hateful agenda.
>> I only wish that more of us would speak out against THEM -- the RRR
>> cult -- as I do, so that society could have the RIGHT perspective on
>> Christians. Only 2% of Christians (including those who are PSEUDO-
>> Christians) comprise the cult of the Religious Radical Right. The other
>> 98% want NOTHING to do with the RRR and its bigoted goals.
>>
>> For more on this, see my recent post entitled:
>>
>> RESOURCE POST: The Tuth About "Fundies."

> Have you submitted that gem for Pulitzer Prize consideration? It's
> a literary work for the ages. An intellectual giant and moral titan,
> you are, sir.

Thanks!! I'm glad you like it. That just may be the first HONEST
thing you've said in Usenet!

However, I will say that while it isn't meant to qualify for a
Pulitzer, it DOES do something that RRRcultists/homopobes/Anti-
Choicer seem INCAPABLE of doing, 99.999% of the time. It tells the
TRUTH, and presents the relevant FACTS.


-- Craig Chilton xanadu222@mchsi.com

>
>On 10 Jul 2003 08:47:30 -0700, Marie A. wrote:
>> Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>
>[ ... ]
>
>>> I'm pretty sure that by now, the gay community is convinced that
>>> so such thing as a SANE Christian even exists...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~
".........the gay community is convinced that so such thing as a SANE Christian........."


There's a problem with this argument.

There are plenty of gay ministers of religion.

Of course, they don't shout it from the rooftops.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~
>> A "sane Christian" we presume being that variety of Christian who not
>> only loves the sinner but has come to love the sin as well. That kind
>> of sane Christian?
>
> Nope. A *sane* Christian is one who recognizes that NO passage in
>the Bible suggests, encourages, or authorizes any person to act as an
>ENFORCER of its precepts (or worse, it's *misperceived* and *nonexistent*
>precepts) upon society in general. The Bible nether appointed a Gestapo
>or recognizes one. And thus, the vast majority of Christians -- the 98%
>of them that are both sensible and sane, simply IGNORE the sexual
>orientation of others, since that is absolutely NONE of their business.
>
>>> ...even though many millions of those of us out here who are
>>> Christians are PRACTICING ones.
>
>> Hmm, 40 million babies have been aborted since 1973.
>
> NO baby has EVER been aborted, ignoramus. ALL babies have
>been BORN.
>
> But in line with Jesus prime directive -- that we show love and
>compassion to our neighbors -- since a beneficent and intelligent U.S.
>Supreme Court emancipated women in 1973, more than 30 million of
>them have been enabled via the REMEDY of abortion to put their lives
>BACK on track, and have their well-being and full range of future
>opportunities RESTORED ro PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels.
>
> Loathesome losers like YOU support an agenda that seeks to
>impose IMMENSE hardship upon no fewer than tens of MILLIONS
>of women by FORCING childbirth upon them. AGAINST their will.
>Resulting in the DENIAL of their rights... their RELEGATION to
>second-class-citizen status... their INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE to
>mere, NON-sentient developing entities which are, in all important
>ways, equivalent to sperm and ova (human, unique, NON-sentient,
>a stage of development without which NO births would occur --
>and alive); entities which the WOMEN would very properly, under
>the circumstances, regard to be parasitic. Further manifestations of
>that hardship would be the DISRUPTION of their well-being, both
>short-term and long-term (as in, for decades or a lifetime)... and
>the DESTRUCTION of countless of their opportunities.
>
> Thus, you are totally without excuse.
>
> And HYPOCRITICAL to the infinite power -- since you and your ilk ...
>while WHINING over 4,000 z/e/fs that get aborted daily in the USA, look
>the other way while more than 1,000,000,000,000,000 EQUALLY human,
>unique, and living potential people -- the gametes that comprise Stage
>One of the reproductive process -- are willfully aborted daily,
>worldwide, via male masturbation.
>
> You are most assuredly America's National Laughingstock... for a
>whole HOST of reasons!
>
>> That's over one million a year, and counting. Is that yet another
>> one of your ideas of what a sane Christian is?
>
> ROTFL!!!!! The Bible doesn't even MENTION abortion, much less
>condemn it, even though, by the time of Christ, it had already been
>widely practiced by society for more than 1,000 years (via
>abortifacients), so its omission has nothing to do with its not being
>around yet, back then. It was.
>
> Now if you REALLY want to get on your high horse while making a total
>fool of yourself, you'd do better to whine about something that is being
>done by millions of people around the world right NOW -- which the Bible
>call for the DEATH PENALTY for: Fortune-telling. You'd STILL get
>yourself laughed out of town in your zealous pursuit of Ouija Board users
>and Tarot Card readers, but at least you'd have SOME Biblical backing for
>your insanity.
>
>>> People who are compassionate, fair-minded, and NON-judgmental.
>
>> If the behavior of your current crop of sane Christians is what you
>> folks think of as being non-judgemental, the rest of us shudder to think
>> of what might happen if you ever get irritated.
>
> The SANE Christians are the ones you never hear about. Very NORMAL
>people who mind their own business when it comes to PRIVATE matters on
>the part of other people. As I said before ---
>
>>> Problem is, the never hear about us because we're not high-profile
>>> control-freaks like the RRR cultists. We are not even REMOTELY
>>> control-freaks, and we loathe their self-righteous and hateful agenda.
>>> I only wish that more of us would speak out against THEM -- the RRR
>>> cult -- as I do, so that society could have the RIGHT perspective on
>>> Christians. Only 2% of Christians (including those who are PSEUDO-
>>> Christians) comprise the cult of the Religious Radical Right. The other
>>> 98% want NOTHING to do with the RRR and its bigoted goals.
>>>
>>> For more on this, see my recent post entitled:
>>>
>>> RESOURCE POST: The Tuth About "Fundies."
>
>> Have you submitted that gem for Pulitzer Prize consideration? It's
>> a literary work for the ages. An intellectual giant and moral titan,
>> you are, sir.
>
> Thanks!! I'm glad you like it. That just may be the first HONEST
>thing you've said in Usenet!
>
> However, I will say that while it isn't meant to qualify for a
>Pulitzer, it DOES do something that RRRcultists/homopobes/Anti-
>Choicer seem INCAPABLE of doing, 99.999% of the time. It tells the
>TRUTH, and presents the relevant FACTS.
>
>
> -- Craig Chilton xanadu222@mchsi.com