delphipa> One has to wonder what factors led to this situation (I
delphipa> am sure there are many) but one I would like to draw on
delphipa> is the fact that the UK is heavily overpopulated.

Ha, the UK overpopulated? It's just empty countryside mostly. That
most of the brits want to live near the Thames, is perhaps a problem,
but the population outside that spot consists mainly of people painted on
hills.

--
Regards,

Berend. (-:

"Berend de Boer" <berend@xsol.com> wrote in message
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>
> delphipa> One has to wonder what factors led to this situation (I
> delphipa> am sure there are many) but one I would like to draw on
> delphipa> is the fact that the UK is heavily overpopulated.
>
> Ha, the UK overpopulated? It's just empty countryside mostly. That
> most of the brits want to live near the Thames, is perhaps a problem,
> but the population outside that spot consists mainly of people painted on
> hills.
>

Surely there has to be someone there?
Who else would make the "crop circles"?!
(;>D
FA
I.

On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:17:09 +0100, Gavin Staples wrote:
>Chief Rabbi: Britain is 'besieged'
>
>By Elizabeth Day
>(Filed: 06/07/2003)
>
>
>The Chief Rabbi has warned that Britain is being "besieged" by asylum
>seekers and has advocated regional refugee camps outside Britain in an
>attempt to deal with the problem.
>

[...]

>
>Comment:
> This is the only practical way of dealing with this type
>of problem.

Hmmm.. so the Rabbi says:

"Now that all the jews are safe, let's lock the fucking
doors..."

How charitable of him. Perhaps we'll remember when the next
holocaust against the jews happens.

--

Regards,

Gregory.

"Ding-a-Ding Dang, My Dang-a-Long Ling Long."

"Gavin Staples" <gstaples@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Chief Rabbi: Britain is 'besieged'
>
> By Elizabeth Day
> (Filed: 06/07/2003)
>
>
> The Chief Rabbi has warned that Britain is being "besieged" by asylum
> seekers and has advocated regional refugee camps outside Britain in an
> attempt to deal with the problem.
>

<snip>

It's all a cunning plot to confuse the coterie of far-right posters to UK
Politics Misc who loathe Jews and asylum seekers in equal measure.

I've been waiting for their comments on this matter, but I can only assume
they're still recovering from the shock of opening the Telegraph and
discovering they're in full agreement with the Chief Rabbi about something.

More seriously, I'm worried about how these places are supposed to work.
Whether they're only for people applying for asylum in the UK or the idea is
that they should be a pan-EU initiative, there're going to be considerable
practical difficulties. At least in the UK, applying for asylum is can be
a pretty protracted process unless the applicant is from somewhere
considered a 'safe country', in which case the application gets turned round
and almost invariably refused in a few weeks. This is partly because
applications do take time to investigate -- if someone turns up from
Zimbabwe he's quite possibly telling the truth when he says he's in fear of
his life from Mugabe's thugs, but deciding if he actually does have a
well-founded fear of persecution at their hands is another matter -- and
partly because the Asylum section of the Home Office is, quite simply, an
administrative disgrace.

Trying to conduct the investigations at long distance is just going to
complicate things even more. You've also got the problems of providing
applicants with competent legal advice (I don't know how many people have
seen the forms an applicant has to complete -- I have, and I wouldn't like
to fill one out without professional advice) and what you do with people who
se application is unsuccessful but who you can't deport.

As an example of this category, Iraqis are a pretty good example. While
Saddam was in power, it was obviously pretty difficult for an applicant to
prove he qualified for asylum -- writing to Saddam and asking him if his
secret police had, in fact, tortured Mr Ali or murdered one of his family
wouldn't get anyone very far -- but we couldn't really deport him back to
Iraq, partly because there weren't (still aren't) any flights there from the
UK and partly because even if we weren't convinced he'd been persecuted
before he left Iraq it was a racing certainty he would be if he were sent
back there.

Even now we won't deport to most of Iraq because the situation's so unstable
and we don't want to add to the US/UK interim administration's problems.
Come to think of it, I don't think we're yet deporting to Afghanistan,
because the UNHCR are finding it difficult enough to cope with the needs of
the existing population, and the last thing they want at the moment is to be
landed with loads of returning refugees.

There's the horrible possibility of people being stuck in these regional
refugee camps for years on end in an administrative limbo. While it's not
quite the same thing, since people in Displaced Persons' Camps at the end of
WW2 knew that eventually they'd be resettled somewhere, apparently those
people who were unfortunate enough to be kept hanging around in DP camps for
two or three years with their lives on hold were pretty fed-up by the end of
the process.

Steve

"Gavin Staples" <gstaples@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1057504391.39287.0@demeter.uk.clara.net...
> Chief Rabbi: Britain is 'besieged'
>
> By Elizabeth Day
> (Filed: 06/07/2003)
>
>
> The Chief Rabbi has warned that Britain is being "besieged" by asylum
> seekers and has advocated regional refugee camps outside Britain in an
> attempt to deal with the problem.
>
> In an interview with The Telegraph Dr Jonathan Sacks, the spiritual leader
> of 280,000 British Jews, said that new policies were needed.
>

There is a compensation in this.

The massive influx of "asylum seekers" who if not actually sham dubiously
qualify for the privileged of asylum is in no small part due to the pressure
of the many ethnocentric lobby groups of the Jewish community amongst us.

It is also a product of the talent of the Jewish community for producing a
prolific number of secular Jewish radical leftists whose talent is to
deconstruct and vilify western civilization in eloquent ways. To undermine
faith in our history and morality. They can be intellectuals, directors,
script writers producer, novelists, anthropologists, historians. The
result is the use of "diversity", "multiculturalism", "tollerance". various
moral posturings and the usual Marxist ideas to undermine western ethnic
cohesion in order to both seem less distinct and allow greater influence to
themselves.

There is a survey of these ideas in this article but most will recognise
them intuitively having only buttoned their lips due to political
correectness.

This isn't a feature of all Jews, we can alsways find exceptions or well
hidden double standards; just so many that it is having an powerful
ethnocidal effect on us.

http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/Preface.htm

There is no doubt that Europeans and British are suffering. The pressures
in regards to employment, housing costs, public infrastructure costs are
such that the birth rate is plummeting and vast revenue streams are now
diverted to managing the needs of the immigrants and asylum seekers.
Statistically their crime rate is also very high although the state puts in
a great effort not to make available such figures.

Now that the insanity of 'diversity', 'multiculturalism, 'asylum',
'immigration' is going too far even many Jews are seeing the harm and are
feeling fear (good I say) they have they are reacting in various ways. Some
have joined the BNP and groups like amren where they have been
enthusiastically accpeted even while others continue along the same path:
peddling more diversity even harder, siding even more one sidely against
European whites.

There is a compensation in this.

The Muslims that make up much of the immigrants have a thousand year history
of a beautifully developed anti-Semitism well hidden behind double standards
but also honed to a high pitch by the affairs in the middle east and US
jewish power.

The Jews will suffer consequences for this and if there is such a thing as
deservedness for a people then they would suffer deservedly so. My only
hope is that they do not escape the mess, as they did in Sth Africa and
many times befor but suffer it with us.

I hope it doesn't get to it but I think it will.

> It's all a cunning plot to confuse the coterie of far-right posters to UK
> Politics Misc who loathe Jews and asylum seekers in equal measure.

Actually, I think its a great move. Your average white Christian would be
branded racist for making such claims. Now the lefties are probably working
themselves into a frenzy trying not to offend either ethnic group.

> I've been waiting for their comments on this matter, but I can only assume
> they're still recovering from the shock of opening the Telegraph and
> discovering they're in full agreement with the Chief Rabbi about
something.

> More seriously, I'm worried about how these places are supposed to work.
> Whether they're only for people applying for asylum in the UK or the idea
is
> that they should be a pan-EU initiative, there're going to be considerable
> practical difficulties. At least in the UK, applying for asylum is can
be
> a pretty protracted process unless the applicant is from somewhere
> considered a 'safe country', in which case the application gets turned
round
> and almost invariably refused in a few weeks. This is partly because

Considering the rules on applying for asylum in the nearest safe haven,
anyone not from Iceland, France, Norway, Ireland etc.., or arriving by
direct flight should be turned away. Their goal is not to seek asylum, if
they were, they would follow the rules set out by the UN. Instead they make
a beeline to the UK where the government will hand them everything they
need.

> Trying to conduct the investigations at long distance is just going to
> complicate things even more. You've also got the problems of providing
> applicants with competent legal advice (I don't know how many people have
> seen the forms an applicant has to complete -- I have, and I wouldn't like
> to fill one out without professional advice) and what you do with people
who
> se application is unsuccessful but who you can't deport.

I guess the phrase beggars can't be choosers comes into play.

> As an example of this category, Iraqis are a pretty good example. While
> Saddam was in power, it was obviously pretty difficult for an applicant to
> prove he qualified for asylum -- writing to Saddam and asking him if his
> secret police had, in fact, tortured Mr Ali or murdered one of his family
> wouldn't get anyone very far -- but we couldn't really deport him back to
> Iraq, partly because there weren't (still aren't) any flights there from
the
> UK and partly because even if we weren't convinced he'd been persecuted
> before he left Iraq it was a racing certainty he would be if he were sent
> back there.

Interestingly enough, in the US, there are a ton of Iraqis chomping at the
bit to go back to Iraq, however, the US goverment won't let them yet. In the
UK, its all about deporting them, not about them leaving to go back to their
homeland. Again, highlights the fact that they are not seeking asylum per
se, but a cushy life at the hands of the taxpayer.

> Even now we won't deport to most of Iraq because the situation's so
unstable
> and we don't want to add to the US/UK interim administration's problems.
> Come to think of it, I don't think we're yet deporting to Afghanistan,
> because the UNHCR are finding it difficult enough to cope with the needs
of
> the existing population, and the last thing they want at the moment is to
be
> landed with loads of returning refugees.

Again, for genuine asylum seekers, deportation shouldn't be an issue once
the coast is clear.

> There's the horrible possibility of people being stuck in these regional
> refugee camps for years on end in an administrative limbo. While it's
not
> quite the same thing, since people in Displaced Persons' Camps at the end
of
> WW2 knew that eventually they'd be resettled somewhere, apparently those
> people who were unfortunate enough to be kept hanging around in DP camps
for
> two or three years with their lives on hold were pretty fed-up by the end
of
> the process.

Given that their alternative is death, I don't think they would have too
much to complain about, unless again, they are disappointed (like a certain
Latvian family) that they didn't get a mansion and untold wealth every
month.

"infidel" <someone@somewhere.con> wrote in message
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>
> "Berend de Boer" <berend@xsol.com> wrote in message
> news:uk7avs44c.fsf_-_@xsol.com...
> >
> > delphipa> One has to wonder what factors led to this situation (I
> > delphipa> am sure there are many) but one I would like to draw on
> > delphipa> is the fact that the UK is heavily overpopulated.
> >
> > Ha, the UK overpopulated? It's just empty countryside mostly. That
> > most of the brits want to live near the Thames, is perhaps a problem,
> > but the population outside that spot consists mainly of people painted
on
> > hills.

People are not as thick on the ground as in Holland but there are still far
too many for comfort. New Zealand, with 4 million, is just about
overpopulated.

R

On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 10:05:23 +1200, Berend de Boer <berend@xsol.com>
wrote:
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