On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:57:10 GMT, "Stan de SD"
<standesd@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"Pieter Wenk" <pwenk@urbanet.ch> wrote in message
>news:cb03hv8da1oc9j5fpcopq7ifpud0eojbrn@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:00:06 GMT, "Stan de SD"
>> <standesd@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Pieter Wenk" <pwenk@urbanet.ch> wrote in message
>> >news:bbksgv0v7rkfe082gng25qsedpem6i5jr7@4ax.com.. .
>> >> On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:46:53 GMT, "Stan de SD"
>> >> <standesd@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >> An average WalMart employee makes about
>> >> >> $11,700 per year - nearly $2,000 below the poverty line for
>> >> >> a single mother with two children.
>> >> >
>> >> >Well, maybe people shouldn't have children when they are single and
>can't
>> >> >support them.
>> >>
>> >> Sorry no. Whilst I fully understand, that *less educated people* can't
>> >> expect getting wages of...ministres...for sure the above is absolutely
>> >> beyond acceptable.
>> >
>> >You mean it's not acceptable to expect women to have families when they
>> >(and/or their husbands) don't have sufficient job skills to support a
>> >family?
>>
>> It's not acceptable offering poor salaries and expect having families
>> able offering to their children excellent education. The stated
>> salaries are below the official the minimum revenues...
>
>Where do people get off insisting they have the right to command salaries
>that would allow them to support families when they have no job skills
>themselves? Maybe that typical Euro-trash welfare-state mentality explains
>why the Euro economy has sucked for decades now... :O|


It's not a question...of..how did you say Euro-trash welfare.

But for sure it's serious question of moral...


>> >> But in the USA...sadly said your are absolute experts in creating
>> >> millions of working poores with the understanding it will help boosten
>> >> your economy based on sustained consumption.
>> >
>> >What are you babbling about?
>>
>> With MacJobs and other *great jobs* poorly rewarded don't expect a
>> sustained consumption. And the *key engine* of the economy...is the
>> *consumption*...
>
>Proof you're an idiot... but then again, you're from Europe.

So far it seems I wasn't unpolite...Guess your *remark* was lets say a
misunderstanding

Regards
--
Pieter Wenk /CH-1800 Vevey - Rivièra Vaudoise
These capitalists generally act harmoniously, and in concert, to fleece
the people.
--Abraham Lincoln, 1837
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"Pieter Wenk" <pwenk@urbanet.ch> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:09:22 GMT, "Angel"
> <thecomputergoddess@coldmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Pieter Wenk" <pwenk@urbanet.ch> wrote in message
> >news:cb03hv8da1oc9j5fpcopq7ifpud0eojbrn@4ax.com.. .
> >
> >>
> >> It's not acceptable offering poor salaries
> >
> >Depends on what the worker is worth. Has nothing to do with whether
he/she
> >has a family or not. Skills and experience that result in a worker with
good
> >skills that are needed by the employer are worth more than the guy who
> >dropped out of high school, has no skills, etc. No skills=low pay.
>
> Different skills and education have of course an influence on
> salaries. But...here we are talking of *minimum salaries* ie below
> standard.
>
> I am making a difference between poor salaries and low...but
> acceptable salaries allowing at to live....
>
If someone has no skills and a business owner is willing to hire that person
to sweep floors for $2 an hour, then $2 an hour is what floor sweeping is
worth. If the guy wants more, he can try to sell his floor sweeping skills
to another business owner/manager. You may be thinking minimum wage but
those have been shown to be bad since every time minimum wage goes up,
either prices go up or people get laid off or people are told to work less
hours or something like that. Businesses are in business to make money.
Period.

"Pieter Wenk" <pwenk@urbanet.ch> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:59:36 GMT, "Stan de SD"
> <standesd@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Angel" <thecomputergoddess@coldmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:6UjQa.19288$BM.5614189@newssrv26.news.prodig y.com...
> >>
> >> "Pieter Wenk" <pwenk@urbanet.ch> wrote in message
> >> news:cb03hv8da1oc9j5fpcopq7ifpud0eojbrn@4ax.com...
> >>
> >> >
> >> > It's not acceptable offering poor salaries
> >>
> >> Depends on what the worker is worth. Has nothing to do with whether
> >he/she
> >> has a family or not. Skills and experience that result in a worker with
> >good
> >> skills that are needed by the employer are worth more than the guy who
> >> dropped out of high school, has no skills, etc. No skills=low pay.
> >
> >Please understand that Pieter is an example of igorant Euro welfare
trash,
> >and comes from a mentality where the State is supposed to guarantee
> >employment, no matter how worthless you are.
>
> No such thing. I worked for huge US companies...And in Switzerland we
> have certainly *no welfare trash*. We have to pay our *mandatory*
> medical health system....with hard earned money. But in contrary to
> the USA...nobody will die in our country for lack of medical care
> insurance cover...We consider this as a *moral* duty...
>
> > The fact that the European
> >economy has been in the dumpster for the longest period of time doesn't
soak
> >in to people like him, who have been fed the standard socialist spin for
> >their entire lives...
>
> How is the present situation of the US economy ? Would you call it as
> brilliant ? And much more is sadly said still to come.
>
It is worse in CA than in other places. OTOH, where in Europe have they
experienced a 9-11 event that killed their economies? Nowhere you say?
Well that's the thing. Events like 9-11 can cause economies to crash. People
like Gray Davis and the liberal state legislature can cause economies to
crash. Or socialism can cause economies to crash.

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 03:28:32 GMT, "Angel"
<thecomputergoddess@coldmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Pieter Wenk" <pwenk@urbanet.ch> wrote in message
>news:i6u8hvsn5pboc4kftfdl8h1s3a6fvnptq7@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:09:22 GMT, "Angel"
>> <thecomputergoddess@coldmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Pieter Wenk" <pwenk@urbanet.ch> wrote in message
>> >news:cb03hv8da1oc9j5fpcopq7ifpud0eojbrn@4ax.com.. .
>> >
>> >>
>> >> It's not acceptable offering poor salaries
>> >
>> >Depends on what the worker is worth. Has nothing to do with whether
>he/she
>> >has a family or not. Skills and experience that result in a worker with
>good
>> >skills that are needed by the employer are worth more than the guy who
>> >dropped out of high school, has no skills, etc. No skills=low pay.
>>
>> Different skills and education have of course an influence on
>> salaries. But...here we are talking of *minimum salaries* ie below
>> standard.
>>
>> I am making a difference between poor salaries and low...but
>> acceptable salaries allowing at to live....
>>
>If someone has no skills and a business owner is willing to hire that person
>to sweep floors for $2 an hour, then $2 an hour is what floor sweeping is
>worth. If the guy wants more, he can try to sell his floor sweeping skills
>to another business owner/manager. You may be thinking minimum wage but
>those have been shown to be bad since every time minimum wage goes up,
>either prices go up or people get laid off or people are told to work less
>hours or something like that. Businesses are in business to make money.
>Period.
>
Ah, but that is a very short term view for businesses to take.

Yes, businesses want to make money. But they also need to
sell their products. If the workers don't make enough to buy the
products, the business will probably not last long enough to
make much money.

Also, workers who are paid a living wage are generally more
productive and help the business make money.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..
Outer Limits

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:28:32 -0500, Angel wrote
(in message <AD3Ra.22177$BM.6156668@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com >):

> If someone has no skills and a business owner is willing to hire that person
> to sweep floors for $2 an hour, then $2 an hour is what floor sweeping is
> worth. If the guy wants more, he can try to sell his floor sweeping skills
> to another business owner/manager. You may be thinking minimum wage but
> those have been shown to be bad since every time minimum wage goes up,
> either prices go up or people get laid off or people are told to work less
> hours or something like that.

Or move all their production facilities to communist China or VietNam.


> Businesses are in business to make money.


And if it means moving their production facilities to communist China or
VietNam or to Mexico, then it must be just fine'n'dandy because those
businesses are in business to make money.

> Period.


I'm not interested in why you're acting so "unusual", I'm just commenting on
your advocacy at making money by supporting making money by supporting
communism.


Gee whiz - the next thing you'll be demanding is that the President of the
United States be elected!


And that both California and Spain have weapons of mass destruction and that
the Vatican has weapons of Mass.



The humanity of it all!





Gray Shockley
-------------------------------------------------
Pain is evitable but suffering is optional.

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:30:27 -0500, Whoopi Cushion wrote
(in message <nF3Ra.22179$BM.6156352@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com >):

> It is worse in CA than in other places.

That's why it's called "CA-CA".

> OTOH, where in Europe have they
> experienced a 9-11 event that killed their economies?

Well, Nazi invasions didn't do a great deal for their economies, dontchaknow.
Of course, D-Days helped with their recovery.

> Nowhere you say?

Now don't you go anticipating the command, Mr. Whoopi Cushion.


> Well that's the thing. Events like 9-11 can cause economies to crash.


Did your Mommie and Daddie reduce your little allowance? No? Then quit
extrapolating from your own experiences.


> People
> like Gray Davis and the liberal state legislature can cause economies to
> crash.


Of course, our fine capitalistic endeavors - led by fine Texas capitalists
such as our current President, Donal Rumsfield - and patriotic companies such
as Enron - are vigourously fighting unAmerican deceits such as truth, justice
and the American way.


Or socialism can cause economies to crash.



Thank goodness, we Americans have patriotic organizations such as WorldCom,
Enron, Dow Chemical and the state of Texas to serve as our bulwalk against
non-Texas approved socialism.


And, of course, we have people such as the thingie to which I'm responding to
stand up for America by writing as a falsie who is too cowardly to sign
her/his/its name and, therefore, has the same validity as Josef Stalin,
her/his/its mentor.



Gray Shockley
--------------------------
"Swinehood hath no remedy." - Sidney Lanier

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