"toto" <scarecrow@wicked.witch> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:18:20 GMT, "Stan de SD"
> <standesd@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Ernon was not successful, it's bankrupt. Once again, we were discussing
> >liberal animus towards large marketers of consumer items such as Wal-Mart
> >and McDonalds. Given that you were unable to respond to that subject
> >(interesting because you had such a hair up your ass about Wal-Mart in an
> >earlier thread), you jumped onto Enron, confirming the point I have
always
> >made - most liberals are too stupid to deal with the topic at hand, so
they
> >need to change the subject.
>
> Nah. I can deal with both Walmart and McDonald's.
>
> Walmart facts
>
> The Maine Department of Labor ordered Wal-Mart to pay the
> largest fine in state history for violating child labor laws. The
> Department of Labor discovered 1,436 child labor law infractions
> at twenty Wal-Mart chains.

Given that Wal-Mart has 3200 stores in the US, it looks like 0.63% of the
stores have an identified problem in this area. It looks like Wal-Mart needs
to address child labor issues with a small minority of it's managers -
hardly indicative of a widespread policy.

> Employees from Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Washington, Illinois,
> Iowa, and West Virginia have sued Wal-Mart for underpaying its
> hourly workers. Employees from Missouri and Kansas have filed
> class-action suits alleging "acts of wage abuse." These acts
> include neglecting to pay workers overtime, preventing rest and
> lunch breaks, and forcing them to "work off the clock."

Again, how many stores has this occurred at?

> The NLRB also filed a suit against the Jacksonville, Texas
> Wal-Mart for unfair labor practices. It alleges that Wal-Mart
> threatened meat cutters, interrogated them regarding their
> union sympathies, and fired those who are pro-union. The
> United Food and Commercial Workers Union has filed a
> complaint with the NLRB alleging that two workers were fired
> because of their union organizing activities.

Unions file complaints all the time - BFD.

> The EEOC is suing Wal-Mart over allegations of sexual
> harassment of female employees in Alabama.

Again, endemic company problem or an issue at a few backwoods locations?

> *Nearly three-quarters of a million women work as "sales
> associates" in Wal-Mart stores. On average these women
> earn $6.10 per hour, or $12,688 per year if they are permitted
> to work full-time. This wage puts many of their families below
> the poverty level - half even qualify for federal assistance
> under the food stamp program

Once again, given that many of these women are basically unskilled, tell me
where else they can go to make more. As far as the complaint about their
families being below the poverty level: Why are they the only breadwinners?
Where are the fathers? Why do people have children when they don't have the
job skills and incomes to support families? Why is any of this Wal-Mart's
fault?

> Women who make pants in El Salvador earn 15 cents for
> each pair;

Given that they make several an hour, that's at least $1/hour, as good or
better than many people make in Central America. Again, tell us what job
opportunities are available to these women that pay a higher wage. Or are
you of the mindset that figures that if these women can't earn a wage that
you think is appropriate, they shouldn't work at all?

> Wal-Mart sells these pants for $16.95 in its U.S. stores.

Good. You expect that the people who ship those pants to the US, drive them
from the port to the warehouse, stock the shelves, staff the registers, mop
the floors, and change the lightbulbs should work for free? Perhaps you
would think it a lot more fair if there were no Wal-Mart to exploit these
women, and they carried the pants on their backs to Bentonville, AK and sold
them on the street corners?

> Also, contractors in El Salvador force workers to take pregnancy tests.

Good idea. We should do more of that in jobs where pregnancy could result in
injuries or lost time.

> According to Brandeis University Professor Ellen I. Rosen,
> women in Central America who make clothes for Wal-Mart
> live in shacks lacking running water or plumbing while women
> in China live nine to twelve to a room in government-provided
> dormitories. Some of Wal-Mart's workers in the U.S. spend
> their nights in trucks of motel rooms without cooking facilities

And there conditions would be better if they stopped working for Wal-Mart?
Once again, please describe what options are available...

Stain de STD posed liked this :
>
> Why should "small businesses" have any special consideration? If they can't
> compete in the marketplace, why should they receive special protection?

Heck of a leading question, Stain. Nobody else comes close to you
at uncorking platitudes of such deceptive complexity, they at first
glance appear to be merely repulsive alcoholic brainfarts. Okay so
nobody comes close to you *anyway* Stain, but you already knew that.
Yon dull Stain exoskeletal White leather homosexual Republican rage
is merely the non-recyclable beverage container for a corrosive brew
of arrant stupidity so lethal it's classified weapons-grade "beyond
the scope of 2nd Amendment". U.S.Homeland Security appears unaware
that *do not enter unless you agree NOT to detonate 18 Stain WMDs*

[AGREE - ENTER] [DISAGREE - EXIT]

Stain is part of a crack ring of Manchurian hypnotist spies working
on next-gen verbal weaponry codenamed The Last Strawman, rumored to
dense enough to break the back of crony capitalism, thereby bringing
what is left of the United States system of formerly free enterprise
to its knees ...yes, indeed, so that Stain may "have his way with it".

Thus at the tender age of 47, STAIN finally gets To HAVE [as much
non-consensual] SEX [with the U.S.economy as "Comrade W"]. What a
disgusting concept that is.


Meantime, Stain, back at the Wal-Mart retail crematorium ...

Because I read your entire post before responding I can give ya the
brief synopsis of why you are wrong first, then get into detail as we
go along here. OK Stain ?

Wal-Mart represents the epitome of a business model which you greatly
admire. The question isn't whether you, Stain, should feel free to
evangelize your local Wal-Mart and shop there without worrying about
competition from any survivors among your neighborhood retailers .

A short explanation for why Wal-Mart isn't a good thing for every(one
else's) community, follows:

Your community is your business. How other people run theirs isn't.

To communities where locally-owned evolved businesses coexist in
complement to one another, the advent of Wal-Mart logically means
radical change is wrought upon local enterprise infrastructure.

It's fair to compare this to an economic invasion, a hostile
takeover, a tactical financial assault on the community, when
the Wal-Mart megalithic money-sucking imperialist stormtroops
attack.

Wal-Mart changes the rules wherever it goes. Legacy retailers in
areas invaded by their first Wal-Mart are forced to make significant
adjustments. It goes downhill from there.

So your questions should be: "If a community doesn't have the
right to refuse to submit to economic rape by Wal-Mart - does
that mean, Stain, that they can't oppose the plan you have to
open a teenage male brothel up the street from the synagogue ?"

"If Wal-Mart gets massive subsidies from taxpayers in the area
it's about to suck dry of all economic life... why shouldn't I,
Stain, get subsidized just to shut up, stop sending unsolicited
email to women I wish to force my fat cloying attention upon ...
maybe I can get paid for just fucking off and pulling the same
stunt in some other place, if I just pay off the corrupt local
politicians, say, with a small percentage of the loot they help
me rob their fellow citizens of. Hmmm ?"

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news...rcos02-CP.html

The plan of the Ellman Cos. to build a Wal-Mart Supercenter, Sam's
Club (also owned by Wal-Mart Stores) and Lowe's Home Improvement
Store at the former mall is expected to be approved, 4-3.

Most of the debate centers around a taxpayer subsidy of as much as
$36.7 million being offered to developer Steve Ellman to make the
"big-box" center a reality. With interest and inflation, Ellman, who would
get 49 percent of all sales tax revenue generated at the site, could get
up to $183 million over the next 40 years.
<end quote>

Yup, Stain. That's a lot more than all the local retailers put
together ever came close to embezzling from the community that
Ellman Wal-Mart dude is about to **** over nine ways to hell.


Wal-Mart (cf. McDonalds) is retail monoculture at its most extreme.

The business style of Wal-Mart in particular is best described as
Sovietized Retail. The outlets are not locally owned. Wal-Mart
stores are not there to cater to the community they invade. They
are making money, natch, which then leaves the community. So any
community which approves subsidies so that Wal-Mart may deign to
open a store there, underpay the local Wal-Does and generally suck
money out of the community until there's none left and then, they
**** off...

That is the hideous commie thing you're blustering about, horrid
creeping economic Death which you say communities everywhere ought
to embrace, so that YOU may have the pleasure of shopping for some
useless flimsy plastic "knicknacks to adorn the dashboard" of your
ancient Ford Exploder - as a pretext for hours you spend hanging
around in the boy's clothing (Half Off!) section.



> Those who have job and buy from Wal-Mart benefit. If you don't work there or
> shop there, who gives a rat's ass what you think?

Obviously, being given a rat's ass would be better than the one you
got at birth, Stain, but overlook the short-term opportunity to get
a small tight butt to replace the loose flaps of jaundiced cellulite
you're currently sporting and think for a minute :

You just referred to Wal-Mart as if it were a *sovereign country*,
albeit one run by savage inbred reactionary swine ['love it or leave
it']. That's mighty treasonous talk there, Stain-o. It's a fucking
retail store chain. Your fondness for them is beyond rational. It
is sickening, in more ways than one. Have you watched "The Stepford
Wives" lately ? Please, you really need to.


> If the retailers are doing such a poor job that Wal-Mart provides serious
> competition, good. Nobody has a "right" to a living if others aren't willing
> to support them, and that goes for businesses as well as individuals.

How much was that subsidy again ? 137 Million ? Fair ? Legal ?

> > In Hibbing, 171 jobs were lost
> > within one year of the opening of a WalMart super center.
>
> Sounds like the merchants of Hibbing were a sorry lot.

Might they be a "happy lot" if they could legally
reward you at gunpoint for being an enemy agent in
Wal-Mart's Soviet-style class war against America,
Stain ? They say laughter is the best medicine.

Imagine "The Producers" meets "The Running Man"
with a surprise twist finale when you think you
escaped from your opponents, and you're doing a
little fatman Stain victory dance in your nice
slacks, when suddenly a bespectacled Wal-Mart
manager pops up behind you with a semi-automatic
and blows you to hell like Reagan in "The Killers"
while capturing your pathetic demise on video, so
they can replay the scene again and again for the
amusement of all the Wal-Mart wage slaves who from
then on actually look forward to coming to work
for even less money than ever.

> Given that most of them are retail jobs that require little in the way of
> skill and training, why is that a problem? Unskilled people should be
> thankful that the Wal-Marts and McDonalds of the world exist to provide them
> employment, or they probably wouldn't be working at all.

People whose community's economic independence is
betrayed by a few local political traitors should
thank the economic rapists in charge of the gulag ?

Sounds a bit off to me. You think it's all right ?

> > An average WalMart employee makes about
> > $11,700 per year - nearly $2,000 below the poverty line for
> > a single mother with two children.
>
> Well, maybe people shouldn't have children when they are single and can't
> support them.

Uh, right. You know all about having children,
Stain, if only in the, uh ... biblical sense.

> > One half of WalMart's one million American
> > employees qualify for federal food stamp, housing, and medical
> > assistance.

> > These taxpayer-funded programs subsidize
> > WalMart's low wage policies and offset any tax benefits
> > accrued to residents and consumers.
>
> Typical Lefty Liberal distortion - these people are on welfare because they
> have zip-point-shit for job skills, yet chose to raise families. Wal-Mart
> offers them at least some compensation,

Terrrific. Land of the ... what ? Diminished expectations. Austerity.
Moonie Puritanism - Death to the oppressors !

> and you're pissed off because they
> aren't being paid more than they are worth. Sorry, toto, but I have worked
> with PLENTY of single mothers in various jobs, and the reason that they
> don't make much more than $7-8/hour is that they simply can't produce enough
> to justify paying them more.

The reason is your squeaky-kleen heroes at the Wal-Mart career mausoleum
are manipulating vulnerable females (and some males too) into prostituion.

By the way, Smugfuck de STD, how do you feel about a community's right
to veto a brothel next door to the school ? Hey, it's just a way for
struggling young folks to make a few bucks, right ? How else are they
supposed to augment the pittance Wal-Mart gives them back of *their own
community*'s money ?

> What you pissy liberals are trying to do


Charming. Have a nice death, Stain.

> is push the old marxist adage "from
> each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". Well, I'm
> sorry that some people place higher value on procreating

Don't you just fucking hate heterosexuals, Stain ? Obviously you do.


than becoming
> productive members of society, but private enterprise doesn't work that way

Could you be any more full of contradictions ? Possibly find yourself
a steady job at a nearby Labor Camp. That's not "free enterprise" you
are describing. It's fucking Treblinka. Shame on you, soviet fascist
swine from hell.

> or they would be belly-up in no time paying "living wage" salaries to all
> the unwed mothers, cripples, window-lickers, and all the others that NEED
> more money, but can't produce enough to help the company make a profit.
> Private corporations are not charities, nor should they be expected to
> operate as such.
>
> > One dollar spent in a local business translates into five dollars
> > of local economic impact. What we spend at WalMart departs
> > immediately by way of dividend and interest payments to
> > lenders and shareholders. And WalMart does not purchase
> > any significant amount of goods or services from local
> > manufacturers or suppliers.
>
> So? Why do items need to be manufactured locally, if there is no economic
> justification to do so?

That's almost verbatim the way they ran things at the Kremlin.

You speak Russian too, don't you Stain ?

> > WalMarts siphon business from small local retailers. After all,
> > it is much easier to follow the bright lights and big signs to
> > WalMart than to search for a small-town hardware or drug
> > store.
>
> No, it's easier to shop at a place that is open late, has ample parking,
> plenty of shopping carts, a predictable store layout, and most items in
> stock at reasonable prices, than it is to shop at some mom-and-pop that

Think not what you can do for the community, think of what the community
can do for you, Stain. What's left of it, after Wal-Mart siphons out as
much local revenue as they can, never to return.

> keeps banker's hours, no parking, shit thrown on the shelves with no rhyme
> or reason, a limited selection and high prices. Funny, but I spent some time
> in Massachusetts, where Wal-Mart bashing is the state pastime, yet most of
> the local "family-owned" stores were the worst run retail establishments I
> ever encountered in the States. No wonder those people are scared shitless
> of Wal-Mart - they need to be put out of business.

Isn't it amazing how you know what's best for people
in places you've hardly even been to, Stain ? What
a talent you have for opinionated busybody bluster.

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