On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:18:20 GMT, "Stan de SD"
<standesd@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Ernon was not successful, it's bankrupt. Once again, we were discussing
>liberal animus towards large marketers of consumer items such as Wal-Mart
>and McDonalds. Given that you were unable to respond to that subject
>(interesting because you had such a hair up your ass about Wal-Mart in an
>earlier thread), you jumped onto Enron, confirming the point I have always
>made - most liberals are too stupid to deal with the topic at hand, so they
>need to change the subject.

Now for McDonald's..

Just one story here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/1466398.stm

McDonald's will employ illegal workers if they can get away
with it. I guess that's ok with you and we shouldn't regulate
them at all. The story above happens to be from England,
but I am quite sure that these practices can occur elsewhere
considering how little corporate oversight really does in such
cases.

This particular McD's franchise did break the law and get
caught. Others probably don't get caught.

More in next post


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..
Outer Limits

On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:18:20 GMT, "Stan de SD"
<standesd@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Ernon was not successful, it's bankrupt. Once again, we were discussing
>liberal animus towards large marketers of consumer items such as Wal-Mart
>and McDonalds. Given that you were unable to respond to that subject
>(interesting because you had such a hair up your ass about Wal-Mart in an
>earlier thread), you jumped onto Enron, confirming the point I have always
>made - most liberals are too stupid to deal with the topic at hand, so they
>need to change the subject.

Now for McDonald's...

As for McD's success, well

http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=36533

STRUGGLING MCDONALD'S TO SLASH 600 JOBS
Will Also Close 175 Stores Worldwide in Cost-Cutting Efforts
November 08, 2002
QwikFIND ID: AAO19M
By Kate MacArthur

CHICAGO (AdAge.com) -- McDonald's Corp. is slashing
jobs and closing stores to cut costs as the world's largest
fast-food burger chain wages a discounting battle for share
amid weaker-than-expected sales.

The company today said it is cutting 400 to 600 worldwide
positions, with at least half from the U.S. It didn't identify what
departments or units would be affected, but already several
high-level executives reportedly have left the marketing
department.

175 units to close

The burger chain also will shutter 175 poorly performing
units in 10 countries and exit seven countries in the Middle
East and Latin America. McDonald's is retreating entirely
from three countries and transferring ownership to
developmental licensees in four others, from where it will
now receive royalty payments.

As a result, McDonald's is cutting its fourth-quarter pretax
income by $350 million, to $425 million. "These actions
are the right things to do for McDonald's shareholders, the
brand and our business," Chairman-CEO Jack Greenberg
said in a statement. "We remain focused on growing our
existing restaurants' sales and we're committed to making
the changes necessary to succeed in the challenging worldwide
economic and competitive environments in which we operate."

Last month, Mr. Greenberg said McDonald's was reviewing its
"general and administrative" expenses that would result in job
losses. At the time, he said he hoped the cuts wouldn't be
significant.

Not enough

Some observers have already said the cuts didn't go deep
enough. Like-for-like domestic October sales fell by 0.6%
and were lower than previously targeted, prompting McDonald's
to back off of its earlier earnings targets.

"The fact that McDonald's did not generate flat-to-positive
[comparisons] in October given the easy year-on-year
comparison and the significantly boosted advertising spend
is highly disconcerting," said Mark Kalinowski, restaurant
analyst with Salomon Smith Barney.

He lowered his earnings forecasts for the quarter and the year
by 2 cents, to 32 cents and $1.40, respectively. He also said
more closures "might be prudent," citing franchisee comments
that the company should close 1,000 units.


--
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that can be heard unless someone listens ..
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On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:18:20 GMT, "Stan de SD"
<standesd@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Ernon was not successful, it's bankrupt. Once again, we were discussing
>liberal animus towards large marketers of consumer items such as Wal-Mart
>and McDonalds. Given that you were unable to respond to that subject
>(interesting because you had such a hair up your ass about Wal-Mart in an
>earlier thread), you jumped onto Enron, confirming the point I have always
>made - most liberals are too stupid to deal with the topic at hand, so they
>need to change the subject.

Now for McDonald's...

And then there is the question of what is in those burgers
and of how McD's and other fast food companies have
made work more hazardous for those who work in today's
slaughterhouses because they have so much economic
clout over the industry. Read the well-researched book
Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser.

http://www.gristmagazine.com/grist/b...ooks081001.asp

Then there's the food. Three companies grow and process
about 80 percent of all French fries now served by fast food
chains. "The multinational food companies," writes Schlosser,
"operate French fry plants in a number of different regions,
constantly shifting production to take advantage of the lowest
potato prices. The economic fortunes of individual farmers
or local communities matter little in the grand scheme." The
same practices are true in the ranching, poultry, and hog
industries. And if industrial, chemical-reliant farming isn't
disturbing enough, Schlosser next reveals "why the fries
taste good."

"Flavorists" in laboratories along the New Jersey turnpike
concoct the "natural and artificial flavors" found in almost
every processed food product. McDonald's infuses its fries
and chicken sandwiches with essences that mimic beef
tallow. A milkshake's strawberry flavor is more likely to come
from a test tube than from actual fruit. Yet the list of volatile
chemicals in artificial fruit flavors sounds benign after
reading the story behind a "quarter-pounder."

To witness the gruesome business of meat-processing,
Schlosser visited slaughterhouses. What he discovered was
both repugnant and hazardous. Among the mostly unskilled
workforce, severe injuries are common. The meat-processing
industry and restaurant chains continually lobby against
regulations that would improve worker and food safety.
"Anyone who brings raw ground beef into his or her kitchen
today must regard it as a potential biohazard," writes
Schlosser. High-volume meat production makes it easy for
virulent strains of bacteria to travel far and wide. Schlosser
minces no words in explaining a major source of contamination.
It's simple, he says: "There is shit in the meat."


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..
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"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:n8MOa.122$dk4.6514@typhoon.sonic.net...
>
> Tempest wrote in message <3F0B7383.C9B508E@hotmail.com>...
> >
> >
> >Huckleberry Hoshimoto wrote:
> >>
> >> Non-Union Wal-Mart........Alriiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, GO WAL-MART!
> >> Odd how Wal-mard is one of the few chain NOT losing money.
> >> Union wages have sent many businesses over into Mexico.
> >> Gee, I wonder why! "Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh".
> >
> >You don't suppose Walmart's buying of goods produced in China by slave
> >labor has anything to do with it, do you? Or the poverty level wages
> >they pay in the U.S.?
>
> Could be. There are obviously lots of people who are glad to
> be able to get those wages. You wanna take them away?

That would truly illustrate the perverse compassion of the left: "We don't
think it's right for you to work for X dollars an hour, so we will eliminate
your job to make sure you're not exploited"... :O|

On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:18:20 GMT, "Stan de SD"
<standesd@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Ernon was not successful, it's bankrupt. Once again, we were discussing
>liberal animus towards large marketers of consumer items such as Wal-Mart
>and McDonalds. Given that you were unable to respond to that subject
>(interesting because you had such a hair up your ass about Wal-Mart in an
>earlier thread), you jumped onto Enron, confirming the point I have always
>made - most liberals are too stupid to deal with the topic at hand, so they
>need to change the subject.

Nah. I can deal with both Walmart and McDonald's.

Walmart facts

The Maine Department of Labor ordered Wal-Mart to pay the
largest fine in state history for violating child labor laws. The
Department of Labor discovered 1,436 child labor law infractions
at twenty Wal-Mart chains.

Employees from Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Washington, Illinois,
Iowa, and West Virginia have sued Wal-Mart for underpaying its
hourly workers. Employees from Missouri and Kansas have filed
class-action suits alleging “acts of wage abuse.” These acts
include neglecting to pay workers overtime, preventing rest and
lunch breaks, and forcing them to “work off the clock.”

The NLRB also filed a suit against the Jacksonville, Texas
Wal-Mart for unfair labor practices. It alleges that Wal-Mart
threatened meat cutters, interrogated them regarding their
union sympathies, and fired those who are pro-union. The
United Food and Commercial Workers Union has filed a
complaint with the NLRB alleging that two workers were fired
because of their union organizing activities.

The EEOC is suing Wal-Mart over allegations of sexual
harassment of female employees in Alabama.
*Nearly three-quarters of a million women work as “sales
associates” in Wal-Mart stores. On average these women
earn $6.10 per hour, or $12,688 per year if they are permitted
to work full-time. This wage puts many of their families below
the poverty level — half even qualify for federal assistance
under the food stamp program

Women who make pants in El Salvador earn 15 cents for
each pair; Wal-Mart sells these pants for $16.95 in its U.S.
stores. Also, contractors in El Salvador force workers to
take pregnancy tests.

According to Brandeis University Professor Ellen I. Rosen,
women in Central America who make clothes for Wal-Mart
live in shacks lacking running water or plumbing while women
in China live nine to twelve to a room in government-provided
dormitories. Some of Wal-Mart’s workers in the U.S. spend
their nights in trucks of motel rooms without cooking facilities


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"toto" <scarecrow@wicked.witch> wrote in message
news:lukogvs27j4t1o41t8q2rlrrcqi5fulj22@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:18:20 GMT, "Stan de SD"
> <standesd@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Ernon was not successful, it's bankrupt. Once again, we were discussing
> >liberal animus towards large marketers of consumer items such as Wal-Mart
> >and McDonalds. Given that you were unable to respond to that subject
> >(interesting because you had such a hair up your ass about Wal-Mart in an
> >earlier thread), you jumped onto Enron, confirming the point I have
always
> >made - most liberals are too stupid to deal with the topic at hand, so
they
> >need to change the subject.
>
> Now for McDonald's..
>
> Just one story here
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/1466398.stm
>
> McDonald's will employ illegal workers if they can get away
> with it. I guess that's ok with you and we shouldn't regulate
> them at all.

So toto, you are concerned that employers are hiring illegals. Fine, so
explain what steps one should take to make sure that illegals aren't hired,
given the following:

* Documents such as social security cards and Resident Alien (green) cards
are repeatedly forged. Back in the 1980's, my employer (a photo lab in San
Diego, CA) participated in a sting operation with the INS where individuals
were photographing forged documents and printing out duplicates. A green
card went for about $300 on the streets, SS cards were about $200. The
technology has been changed, but the forgers have apparently risen to the
occasion and are forgeing the new "holographic" cards as well.

* Driver's licences were traditionally used for ID, but there is no way to
tell the immigration or work authorization status of the individual merely
by looking at the card. People have proposed including some code on the card
to determine that status, but the so called "civil rights advocates" (mainly
liberal lawyers) have fought that suggestion. In fact, liberals are now
trying to make it easier for illegals to get driver's licenses in the name
of "public safety".

* Voter registration cards were once used to determine citizenship as well,
but it's becoming obvious that being registered to vote is no longer a
guarantee of citizenship. The liberals push for "motor voter" legislation
(providing voter registration material to anyone applying for a license at
the DMV) is only going to increase voter fraud.

* There is no real "one stop" verification system where employers can either
call in with ID or go on-line, so employers have no way of telling whether
the documentation they are given is authentic or not. Individuals HAVE
proposed such a system, but once again, the liberals have screamed about the
(nonexistent) "right to privacy" to put the kibosh on that.

* The fear of harrassment by so-called "civil rights" groups causes many
employers to accept spurious documentation when hiring suspected illegal
aliens. I remember working in one place in southern California where the
personnel director would go over the documents of obviously US-born and
raised individuals with a fine-toothed comb, but would only give a cursory
glance to documentation presented by immigrant workers of a certain
ethnicity who possessed SSN cards that were patently bogus (first number
issued for the NE US for somebody who allegedly lived in Tijuana).
Apprarently many of these companies are more scared of "discrimination"
suits by La Raza lawyers than they are of getting in trouble with the INS.

Pardon me, toto, but I get jaded and cynical when I hear liberals worried
about companies hiring illegal immigrants, given that they have contributed
to the current mess...

> The story above happens to be from England,

So you can't blame Bush for it, right?

> but I am quite sure that these practices can occur elsewhere
> considering how little corporate oversight really does in such
> cases.
>
> This particular McD's franchise did break the law and get
> caught. Others probably don't get caught.

You know that members of other groups (minorities, for example) are caught
breaking the law. We don't have any proof that others break the law, but can
we assume that they did and just didn't get caught? Perhaps we can go off on
screeds against minorities as well, because we catch some of them breaking
the law?

"toto" <scarecrow@wicked.witch> wrote in message
news:sukogv0v8s9mrigqidjb0n03qirqlachgu@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:18:20 GMT, "Stan de SD"
> <standesd@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Ernon was not successful, it's bankrupt. Once again, we were discussing
> >liberal animus towards large marketers of consumer items such as Wal-Mart
> >and McDonalds. Given that you were unable to respond to that subject
> >(interesting because you had such a hair up your ass about Wal-Mart in an
> >earlier thread), you jumped onto Enron, confirming the point I have
always
> >made - most liberals are too stupid to deal with the topic at hand, so
they
> >need to change the subject.
>
> Now for McDonald's...
>
> As for McD's success, well
>
> http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=36533
>
> STRUGGLING MCDONALD'S TO SLASH 600 JOBS
> Will Also Close 175 Stores Worldwide in Cost-Cutting Efforts
> November 08, 2002
> QwikFIND ID: AAO19M
> By Kate MacArthur
>
> CHICAGO (AdAge.com) -- McDonald's Corp. is slashing
> jobs and closing stores to cut costs as the world's largest
> fast-food burger chain wages a discounting battle for share
> amid weaker-than-expected sales.

So McDonalds is cutting back due to a weak economy. Your point, or did you
have one to make?

"toto" <scarecrow@wicked.witch> wrote in message
news:e5logvsl67tqvogmbkd7jjltt354kogpt5@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:18:20 GMT, "Stan de SD"
> <standesd@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Ernon was not successful, it's bankrupt. Once again, we were discussing
> >liberal animus towards large marketers of consumer items such as Wal-Mart
> >and McDonalds. Given that you were unable to respond to that subject
> >(interesting because you had such a hair up your ass about Wal-Mart in an
> >earlier thread), you jumped onto Enron, confirming the point I have
always
> >made - most liberals are too stupid to deal with the topic at hand, so
they
> >need to change the subject.
>
> Now for McDonald's...
>
> And then there is the question of what is in those burgers
> and of how McD's and other fast food companies have
> made work more hazardous for those who work in today's
> slaughterhouses because they have so much economic
> clout over the industry. Read the well-researched book
> Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser.
>
> http://www.gristmagazine.com/grist/b...ooks081001.asp
>
> Then there's the food. Three companies grow and process
> about 80 percent of all French fries now served by fast food
> chains. "The multinational food companies," writes Schlosser,
> "operate French fry plants in a number of different regions,
> constantly shifting production to take advantage of the lowest
> potato prices.

Which help them offer the lowest prices to the consumers.

> The economic fortunes of individual farmers
> or local communities matter little in the grand scheme."

Why should they? What gives "individual farmers" or "local communities" the
right to demand that they not keep up with the competition?

> The
> same practices are true in the ranching, poultry, and hog
> industries.

That's how come we have the cheapest food (cost per houlry wage) in the
world, toto.

> And if industrial, chemical-reliant farming isn't
> disturbing enough, Schlosser next reveals "why the fries
> taste good."
>
> "Flavorists" in laboratories along the New Jersey turnpike
> concoct the "natural and artificial flavors" found in almost
> every processed food product. McDonald's infuses its fries
> and chicken sandwiches with essences that mimic beef
> tallow. A milkshake's strawberry flavor is more likely to come
> from a test tube than from actual fruit. Yet the list of volatile
> chemicals in artificial fruit flavors sounds benign after
> reading the story behind a "quarter-pounder."

If you don't like it, go somewhere else. Nobody's forcing you to eat there,
toto.

> To witness the gruesome business of meat-processing,
> Schlosser visited slaughterhouses. What he discovered was
> both repugnant and hazardous.

Sounds like somebody from the city who just figured out where meat comes
from - ROTFLMAO!!!

> "Anyone who brings raw ground beef into his or her kitchen
> today must regard it as a potential biohazard," writes
> Schlosser.

As if it were safe in days past, and suddenly became dangerous thanks to
McDonalds.

> High-volume meat production makes it easy for
> virulent strains of bacteria to travel far and wide. Schlosser
> minces no words in explaining a major source of contamination.
> It's simple, he says: "There is shit in the meat."

Yet with all the accusations made by the do-gooders, how many people are
poisoned with the billions of burgers sold? Let's see the percentages, toto.