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> On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 03:31:41 GMT, "Bud Keith" <budk101@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Epimethius" <Epimethius@saturn.net> wrote in message
> >news:mo5Na.32569$fG.16906@sccrnsc01...
> >> Bush's Top 10 Lies, Exaggerations And 'Obsfucations'
> >> About His Military Service
> >> by Nancy Skinner
> >> co-host of "Ski & Skinner" on WLS-AM Chicago
> >
> >
> >This pair of clowns are such flagrant liars that they must command at
least
> >10 listeners.
>
>
> HEY FOOL...the article quotes other articles that quote those who
> know.
>
> Why are you AWOL-abetters so fact averse?
>
>
>
> >The fact of the matter is that Bush was honorably discharged from the
> >National Guard (((((((((((((((((( PROVE IT ))))))))))))))))))))))
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
thats the end of it everythbing else drdged up by liberals is
> >just so much bull shit. If you really want to investigate a Presidents
> >record try Clintons he started as a draft dodger and ended up as a felon
> >pardoned by Jimmy Carter.
> >>
> >> Governor Bush has made credibility the central issue of this campaign,
and
> >> makes almost daily references to the Vice President's alleged
> >exaggerations
> >> and lack of truthfulness. But on a subject that could not be more
> >important
> >> for his presidential candidacy, his own military service, the record
shows
> >> that George W. Bush has exaggerated and even lied about his service.
> >> Governor Bush took a solemn oath during wartime to serve his country in
> >the
> >> Texas Air National Guard. He did not honor that oath He walked away.
> >And
> >> in this presidential campaign, he has made several misrepresentations
> >about
> >> his service. A number of newspaper reports and even more accounts on
> >> Internet websites, based on Freedom Of Information Act requests of
Bush's
> >> official military record, have concluded that he completely missed at
> >least
> >> one year of service, and may not have shown up in person for his last
> >year.
> >> While those reports continue to be debated, the following statements by
> >Bush
> >> and his aides are directly contradicted by the current record.
> >>
> >> #1 Bush never showed up in Alabama Air National Guard when directly
> >ordered
> >> to do so, after requesting a transfer to work in Alabama.
> >>
> >> "I was there on a temporary assignment and fulfilled my weekends at one
> >> period of time" Bush said during a campaign stop in Tuscaloosa, AL,
> >> referring to his claim that he served in the Alabama National Guard.
> >[Dallas
> >> Morning News, 6/26/00]
> >>
> >> "He specifically recalls pulling duty in Alabama," spokesman Dan
Bartlett
> >> said of Bush. "He did his drills." Bartlett said the Republican
governor
> >> showed up "several" times while in Alabama, where he transferred from
his
> >> Houston Guard unit in 1972 to work for the unsuccessful Senate campaign
of
> >> Republican Winton Blount, a friend of Bush's father. [Washington Post
> >> 6/25/00]
> >>
> >> The Truth
> >>
> >> Bush left Houston May 15, 1972 and went to work on a political campaign
in
> >> Alabama. His first request for a transfer on May 24 was denied because
> >the
> >> unit was inactive. His second request on September 5 to a different
unit
> >> was granted. He was issued a direct order to report on specific days
to
> >the
> >> base, which he completely ignored. The order was issued on September
15
> >to
> >> report to then-Lieutenant Colonel William Turnipseed at Dannelly Air
Force
> >> base in Montgomery, AL, on the dates of "7-8 October 0730-1600, and 4-5
> >> November 0730-1600" His orders, dated Sept. 15, 1972, said:
"Lieutenant
> >> Bush should report to Lt. Col. William Turnipseed, DCO, to perform
> >> equivalent training." [Boston Globe 5/23/00]
> >> http://www.cis.net/~coldfeet/doc11.gif
> >>
> >> · His Commanding Officer, William Turnipseed, says he did not
show
> >> up.
> >>
> >> "To my knowledge, he never showed up," Turnipseed said last month.
[Boston
> >> Globe 5/23/00] In interviews last week, Turnipseed and his
administrative
> >> officer at the time, Kenneth K. Lott, said they had no memory of Bush
ever
> >> reporting. ''Had he reported in, I would have had some recall, and I do
> >> not,'' Turnipseed said. ''I had been in Texas, done my flight training
> >> there. If we had had a first lieutenant from Texas, I would have
> >> remembered.'' Turnipseed also reports that the then-squadron operations
> >> officer of the Alabama Guard also has no recollection of having seen
> >> Bush.(The New Republic 10/16/2000)
> >>
> >> "Furthermore, a spokesman for the Alabama National Guard estimates
there
> >> were 600 to 700 members in the unit Bush was supposed to have served
with
> >in
> >> 1972. But none of these men has ever come forward to say he remembers
> >Bush,
> >> and Bush has not named a single one of them."(The New Republic
10/16/2000)
> >>
> >> · There is no official National Guard record for George W.
Bush's
> >> service in Alabama.
> >>
> >> "His official discharge records do not include any service after May 15
of
> >> 1972. Indeed, Bush's discharge papers list his service and duty
station
> >for
> >> each of his first four years in the Air Guard. But there is no record
of
> >> training listed after May 1972, and no mention of any service in
Alabama.
> >On
> >> that discharge form, Lloyd (Albert Lloyd Jr., a retired colonel who was
> >the
> >> Texas Air Guard's personnel director from 1969 to 1995 and was hired by
> >the
> >> Bush campaign to make sense of the governor's military records) said,
> >> ''there should have been an entry for the period between May 1972 and
May
> >> 1973.'' Said Lloyd, ''It appeared he had a bad year. He might have
lost
> >> interest, since he knew he was getting out.'' [Boston Globe 5/23/00]
> >>
> >> · No one in the Alabama National Guard ever saw him.
> >>
> >> "A spokesman for the Alabama National Guard estimates there were 600 to
> >700
> >> members in the unit Bush was supposed to have served with in 1972. But
> >none
> >> of these men has ever come forward to say he remembers Bush, and Bush
has
> >> not named a single one of them." (The New Republic 10/16/2000)
> >>
> >> Even though members of the Alabama Air National Guard have offered
$1000
> >to
> >> anyone who can remember serving with Bush, no one has come forward to
> >> corroborate his service, with the exception of an old girlfriend who
says
> >> she remembers him saying he was going, but does not have any other
> >evidence,
> >> essentially making it her word against Bush's commanding officers' and
a
> >> lack of official documents as noted above.
> >>
> >> · Even the Bush campaign claims that he only showed up on a
single
> >> day in November and made up missed weekends, not contesting the fact
that
> >he
> >> defied direct orders to appear on the dates stated above.
> >>
> >> "National Guard records provided by the Guard and by the Bush campaign
> >> indicate he did serve on Nov. 29, 1972, after the election. These
records
> >> also show a gap in service from that time to the previous May. Mr. Bush
> >says
> >> he made up for the lost time in subsequent months, and guard records
show
> >he
> >> received credit for having performed all the required service." [NYT
> >> 7/22/00]
> >>
> >> The evidence to support Bush's service on November 29, 1972 is highly
> >> suspect for the following reasons:
> >>
> >> - The document offered to dispute the claim by his
> >> commanding officers in Alabama is a single torn document that does not
> >have
> >> Bush's name on it, is undated and unsigned. The document was
"discovered"
> >in
> >> 1998 by the man Bush hired to investigate his record, Al Loyd, and
added
> >to
> >> the official record. This late addition to the official record also
raises
> >> additional chain of command issues.
> >>
> >> - There are two different versions of the
document.
> >The
> >> one 'discovered' by Mr. Loyd and given to George Magazine has
handwritten
> >> annotations. The other version came from Mr. Bush's official record
> >through
> >> a FOIA request by Martin Heldt. http://www.cis.net/~coldfeet/doc99.gif
> >The
> >> FOIA version did not have any annotations.
> >>
> >> - The document comes from the Texas National Guard
> >> Archives according to the numbering in the right hand corner of the
> >> document, even though duty reports were localized at the time, meaning
his
> >> service in Alabama would not have been recorded by the Texas Air
National
> >> Guard.
> >>
> >> #2 Bush didn't return to Ellington Air Force Base after his temporary
> >> transfer as required.
> >>
> >> A Bush spokesman, Dan Bartlett, said after talking with the governor
that
> >> Bush recalls performing some duty in Alabama and ''recalls coming back
to
> >> Houston and doing [Guard] duty, though he does not recall if it was on
a
> >> consistent basis.''
> >>
> >> Noting that Bush, by that point, was no longer flying, Bartlett added,
> >> ''It's possible his presence and role became secondary.'' [Boston Globe
> >> 5/23/00]
> >>
> >> The Truth
> >>
> >> · According to his annual evaluation by his commanding
officers,
> >he
> >> may have been in Houston but he was not at the base.
> >>
> >> "Cleared this base 15 May 1972" According to Lieutenant Colonel
William
> >> Harris Jr. and Lieutenant Colonel Jerry Killian in Bush's annual
> >evaluation
> >> , Ellis Air Force Base, Houston. The report makes clear that Bush had
> >"not
> >> been observed " at his Texas unit "during the period of this report" -
May
> >> 1972-April 1973." [Boston Globe 5/23/00]
> >>
> >> · Even his commanding officer, whom he called a "friend" did
not
> >> know where he was.
> >>
> >> "Asked about that declaration, campaign spokesman Bartlett said Bush
told
> >> him that since he was no longer flying, he was doing ''odds and ends''
> >under
> >> different supervisors whose names he could not recall. But retired
colonel
> >> Martin, the unit's former administrative officer, said he too thought
Bush
> >> had been in Alabama for that entire year. Harris and Killian, he said,
> >would
> >> have known if Bush returned to duty at Ellington. And Bush, in his
> >> autobiography, identifies the late colonel Killian as a friend, making
it
> >> even more likely that Killian knew where Bush was." [Boston Globe
5/23/00]
> >>
> >> #3 He quit flying in Texas because his plane was replaced.
> >>
> >> In his autobiography, Mr. Bush explains that when he applied to
> >> Harvard Business School in 1972, "I was almost finished with my
commitment
> >> in the Air National Guard, and was no longer flying because the F102
jet I
> >> has trained in was being replaced by a different fighter."
> >>
> >> The Truth
> >> · "His unit continued to fly the F-102 until 1974 [Boston Globe
> >> 5/23/00] "If he had come back to Houston, I would have kept him flying
the
> >> 102 until he got out" said retired Major Bobby W. Hodges, "But I don't
> >> remember him coming back at all"'.
> >>
> >> · "Lieutenant Bush, to be sure, had gone off flying status when
he
> >> went to Alabama. But had he returned to his unit in November 1972,
there
> >> would have been no barrier to him flying again, except passing a flight
> >> physical. Although the F-102 was being phased out, his unit's records
show
> >> that Guard pilots logged thousands of hours in the F-102 in
1973."[Boston
> >> Globe 5/23/00]
> >>
> >> · His commitment was through May of 1974. (An exaggeration?)
> >>
> >> #4 He wasn't flying in Alabama because they had different planes.
> >>
> >> On June 26th this report appeared in the Dallas Morning News.
> >> "Campaigning Friday in Tuscaloosa, Ala., Bush was asked about his 1972
> >> service in that state. "I was there on a temporary assignment and
> >fulfilled
> >> my weekends at one period of time," he said. "I made up some missed
> >> weekends." "I can't remember what I did, but I wasn't flying because
they
> >> didn't have the same airplanes. I fulfilled my obligations."
> >>
> >> The Truth
> >> · He was no longer flying because he had been suspended in
August
> >of
> >> 1972 for failure to "accomplish" a required medical exam. [Boston
Globe,
> >> 5/23/00] (Suspension document at
> >http://www.cis.net/~coldfeet/grounded.gif)
> >>
> >> · Bush was suspended from flying on August 1, 1972, prior to
his
> >> request for the transfer to the187th at Montgomery Alabama, September
5,
> >> 1972. Bush did not receive permission until September 15, which was
close
> >> to six weeks after his suspension from flying.
> >>
> >> · Another question is raised by the fact that he cannot
remember
> >> what he did for the Air National Guard in Alabama, despite the fact
that
> >28
> >> years later he still remembers the specifics of his work there on the
> >> campaign of William Blount as cited in a July 22, 2000 New York Times
> >> article. "In an interview 28 years later, Mr. Bush remembered the
numbers.
> >> "We all teamed together and helped Red get about 36 percent of the
vote,"
> >he
> >> said with a short laugh, "in spite of the fact that Nixon had gotten 72
> >> percent of the vote. The ticket-splitting was phenomenal.""
> >>
> >> #5 Three different stories on why he was suspended.
> >>
> >> Story #1) "Bush's campaign aides have said he did not take the physical
> >> because he was in Alabama and his personal physician was in Houston."
> >> [Boston Globe 5/23/00].
> >>
> >> The Truth
> >> · In fact as the Boston Globe goes on to state "flight
physicals
> >can
> >> be administered only by certified Air Force flight surgeons, and some
were
> >> assigned at the time to Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, where
Bush
> >was
> >> living."
> >>
> >> Story #2) Then in June, campaign officials told the London Times Bush
did
> >> not technically need to take his flight physical. "As he was not
flying,
> >> there was no reason for him to take the flight physical exam,"
according
> >to
> >> campaign spokesman Don Bartlett.
> >>
> >> · Any suggestion that he had simply decided to "give up flying"
> >prio
> >> r to his suspension, with two years remaining on his commitment and
nearly
> >> one million dollars (in real terms) invested in his training is not
> >> plausible. It is not up to an Air National Guard pilot to decide
whether
> >or
> >> not he "intends" to fly.
> >>
> >> · "If he had come back to Houston, I would have kept him flying
> >the
> >> 102 until he got out" said retired Major Bobby W. Hodges [Boston Glove
> >> 5/23/00]
> >>
> >> Story #3) In the same article, Bush campaign spokesman Dan Bartlett
told
> >the
> >> newspaper that Bush was aware back then that he would be suspended for
> >> missing his medical exam, but had no choice because he had applied for
a
> >> transfer from Houston to Alabama and his paperwork hadn't caught up
with
> >> him. "It was just a question of following the bureaucratic procedure of
> >the
> >> time," Bartlett said. "He knew the suspension would have to take
place."
> >>
> >> · The exam was required to be completed in the three months
> >> preceding his birthday, July 6, 1972. A three month window seems
adequate
> >to
> >> avoid being suspended from flying.
> >>
> >> So which is it: his family physician, he didn't have to take the exam,
or
> >a
> >> bureaucratic snafu?
> >>
> >> #6 Bush denied strings were pulled to get him in the Texas Air
National
> >> Guard.
> >>
> >> "I can just tell you, from my perspective, I never asked for, I don't
> >> believe I received special treatment," Bush told reporters." [DMN
9/08/99]
> >>
> >> The Truth
> >>
> >> · "Former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes confirmed Monday that he
recommended
> >> Gov. George W. Bush for a slot in the Texas Air National Guard during
the
> >> height of the Vietnam War, at the request of a Bush family friend. Mr.
> >> Barnes' account came in a written statement that was released after he
> >> testified in a deposition stemming from a federal lawsuit.' [DMN
9/28/99]
> >>
> >> · "The statement by Mr. Barnes also confirmed that he met a
year
> >ago
> >> with a top Bush adviser to discuss the Guard matter. As reported in The
> >> News, Mr. Bush sent a note thanking Mr. Barnes for his help in
rebutting
> >> rumors that Mr. Bush's father helped his son find a Guard slot, the
> >> statement confirmed." [DMN 9/08/99]
> >>
> >> · "Mr. Barnes was contacted by [Houston businessman] Sid Adger
and
> >> asked to recommend George W. Bush for a pilot position with the Air
> >National
> >> Guard," Mr. Barnes' statement said. "Barnes called Gen. [James] Rose
and
> >did
> >> so." [DMN 9/28/00]
> >>
> >> "No Bush ever asked Sid Adger to help," the governor said.[DMN
9/28/00]
> >>
> >> · "A spokeswoman for former President George Bush confirmed the
> >> elder Bush's friendship with Mr. Adger but said he was "almost
positive"
> >he
> >> never talked to Mr. Adger - or anyone else - about getting his son into
> >the
> >> Guard. "He said he is fairly certain - I mean he doesn't remember
> >everything
> >> that happened in the 1960s - but he said he and Sid Adger never, ever
> >talked
> >> about George W. and the Texas Air National Guard," said Jean Becker, a
> >> spokeswoman for the former president. "President Bush knew Sid Adger
> >well,"
> >> Ms. Becker said. "He loved him."' [DMN 9/08/99]
> >>
> >> · "When Bush was admitted into the Guard in 1968, 100,000 other
> >men
> >> were on waiting lists around the country, hoping to win admission to
> >similar
> >> units. The Guard was popular because those units were rarely sent to
> >> Vietnam." [LAT 7/4/99]
> >>
> >> #7 Bush said the Texas Air National Guard was short on pilots.
> >>
> >> "They were looking for pilots, and I was honored to serve.", Governor
Bush
> >> told the Dallas Morning News. [DMN9/08/99]
> >>
> >> The Truth
> >>
> >> · "But Tom Hail, a historian for the Texas Air National Guard,
> >said
> >> that records do not show a pilot shortage in the Guard squadron at the
> >time.
> >> Hail, who reviewed the unit's personnel records for a special Guard
museum
> >> display on Gov. Bush's service, said Bush's unit had 27 pilots at the
time
> >> he began applying. While that number was two short of its authorized
> >> strength, the unit had two other pilots who were in training and
another
> >> awaiting a transfer. There was no apparent need to fast-track
applicants,
> >he
> >> said." [LAT 7/4/99]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> · "The Texas Air Guard had about 900 slots for pilots, air and
> >> ground crew members, supervisors, technicians and support staff. Sgt.
> >Donald
> >> Dean Barnhart, who still serves in the Guard, said that he kept a
waiting
> >> list of about 150 applicants' names. He said it took up to a year and a
> >half
> >> for one name to move to the top of the list. "Quite a few gentlemen
were
> >> wanting to get in," he recalled. For Bush, there was no wait. He met
with
> >> commander Staudt in his Houston office and made his application--all
> >before
> >> his graduation in June." [LAT, 7/4/99]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Beckwith, Bush's spokesman, painted a different picture. He said that
the
> >> Guard needed pilots at the time and Bush was available. "A lot of
people
> >> weren't qualified" or willing to fly, he said, so special commissions
were
> >> offered to those willing to undergo the extra training required."
> >>
> >> [LAT 7/4/99]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> · "But Shoemake, who also served as a chief of personnel in the
> >> Texas Guard from 1972 to 1980, remembers no pilot shortage. "We had so
> >many
> >> people coming in who were super-qualified," he said." [LAT 7/4/99]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> · "Records from his [Bush's] military file show that in January
> >> 1968, after inquiring about Guard admission, Mr. Bush went to an Air
Force
> >> recruiting office near Yale, where he took and passed the test required
by
> >> the Air Force for pilot trainees. His score on the pilot aptitude
section,
> >> one of five on the test, was in the 25th percentile, the lowest allowed
> >for
> >> would-be fliers." [7/4/99]
> >>
> >> #8 There was no special deal when he received a direct appointment to
> >second
> >> lieutenant right after basic training, with no qualifications.
> >> "Officials in Bush's presidential campaign denied last week that he was
> >> treated differently from other recruits. "Our information is there was
> >> absolutely no special deal," said spokesman David Beckwith." [LAT
7/4/99]
> >>
> >> "He [Commander Staudt] recommended Bush for a direct appointment--a
> >special
> >> process that would allow the young recruit to become a second
lieutenant
> >> right out of basic training without having to go through the rigors of
> >> officer candidate school. The process also cleared the way for a slot
in
> >> pilot training school." [LAT, 7/4/99]
> >>
> >> The Truth
> >> · "But Charles C. Shoemake, an Air Force veteran who later
joined
> >> the Texas Air National Guard, eventually retiring as a full colonel,
said
> >> that direct appointments were rare and hard to get, and required
extensive
> >> credentials. "I went from master sergeant to first lieutenant based on
my
> >> three years in college and 15 years as a noncommissioned officer. Then
I
> >got
> >> considered for a direct appointment." Even then, he said, "I didn't
know
> >> whether I was going to get into pilot training."" [LAT 7/4/99]
> >>
> >> · "As for a direct commission for someone of Bush's limited
> >> qualifications, Hail said, "I've never heard of that. Generally they
did
> >> that for doctors only, mostly because we needed extra flight
surgeons.""
> >> [LAT 7/4/99]
> >>
> >> #9 As evidence he wasn't dodging combat, Mr. Bush has pointed to his
> >> efforts to try to volunteer for a program that rotated Guard pilots to
> >> Vietnam, although he wasn't called. [DMN 7/4/99]
> >>
> >> The Truth
> >> · "Mr. Bush's application for the Guard included a box to be
> >checked
> >> specifying whether he did or did not volunteer for overseas duty. His
> >> includes a check mark in the box not wanting to volunteer for such an
> >> assignment." [DMN 7/4/99]
> >>
> >> #10 In Bush's 1999 autobiography, A Charge to Keep, Mr. Bush says that
> >> after completing flight training in June 1970, "I continued flying
with
> >my
> >> unit for the next several years".
> >>
> >> The Truth
> >> · "But 22 months after finishing his training, and with two
years
> >> left on his six-year commitment, Bush gave up flying - for good, it
would
> >> turn out". [Boston Globe, 5/23/00]
> >>
> >> Several Years or 22 months - an exaggeration? Perhaps, the bigger
> >question
> >> is why did he quit flying?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>