Actually, other than the profanity, I've got no reason at all for being
"offended". It's only blasphemy of the holy spirit which shall never be
forgiven.

John Knight


"Australopithecus Afarensis" <lucy@olduvaigorge.net> wrote in message
news:Qx8Na.88039$%42.51457@fed1read06...
> Gary,
>
> As you know John Kinght is a Jesus Freak, he would be very offended if
some
> one says.
>
> F*ck God dead!!!
>
> There you go.
>
> F*ck God dead, the slogan of the great 'scurves'.
>
> * * *
>
> "Gray Shockley" <gray7a6@cybercoffee.org> wrote in message
> news:0001HW.BB2A7BCC0007A4990DD1BC40@news-east.giganews.com...
> On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:49:54 -0500, Bob LeChevalier wrote
> (in message <7o1agvsv1h2b8m4qpuun4c19904f8qpf1c@4ax.com>):
>
> > "Australopithecus Afarensis" <lucy@olduvaigorge.net> wrote:
> >> Why is Einstein considered as a genius by science? Only the ignorant
> ones
> >> in history and lack of basic understanding of the works credited to
> >> Einstein. I consider Einstein as a plagiarist. There you go.
> >
> > What are your credentials as a scientist (or historian of science)?
> > If you cannot demonstrate same, your opinion isn't worth the electrons
> > you wasted in writing it.
> >
> > lojbab
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> John Fubar Knight is also (among several other "identities")
> "Australopithecus Afarensis".
>
> I would imagine that s/he/it will soon start posting as "Vacaville
Victoria"
> as well as many other "falsies" which s/he/it wears.
>
> g
>
>

One of the unique things about "debating" with lojbab is that he rarely
finds the time to address the issues, probably because his insults, LIES,
and whole cloth fiction take all his time and consume all his brain power.

Not only did he present *false* information about Einstein flunking a test
"because it was in a French", but he revealed that he himself believes
Einstein is more of a moron than you do. Have you ever known anyone in your
life who was STUPID enough to take a school test in the wrong language? I
sure haven't.

On top of that, look at the rest of his *false* statement:

"He failed it because it was in a French, and he was non-fluent. He
also was much younger than the typical student applying."

Einstein was born in 1879, which means he was 16 when he took the test in
1895. This is precisely the age when most boys in Switzerland score the
highest on math and engineering tests because they've just completed
calculus. On top of that, Einstein never passed the test, never was
admitted to a Swiss university, and may have been even more misguided than
lojbab.

lojbab also said of buddy Einstein that "He was also a teenager, which
limited his job options", which makes you wonder if lojbab doesn't think
that being a "feeble minded ... moron" would be even more limiting of "his
job options":

"Gould's most inflammatory allegation consists of blaming IQ testers for
magnifying the toll of those lost in the Holocaust (p. 263). Here he has
followed the lead of Leon Kamin's (1974) The Science and Politics of IQ. The
Kamin-Gould thesis is that early IQ testers claimed their research proved
that Jews as a group scored low on their tests and that this finding was
then conveniently used to support passage of the restrictive Immigration Act
of 1924 which then denied entry to hapless Jewish refugees in the 1930s.
Gould goes so far as to claim (1996, pp. 195-198; 255-258) that Henry H.
Goddard (in 1917) and Carl C. Brigham (in 1923) labeled four-fifths of
Jewish immigrants as 'feeble-minded ... morons'".
http://christianparty.net/race.htm

John Knight





"Australopithecus Afarensis" <lucy@olduvaigorge.net> wrote in message
news:8o8Na.88033$%42.33198@fed1read06...
> It looks like Bob has failed to understand the topic of this discussion.
It
> is about Einstein not Australopithecus Afarensis, yours truly!!!
>
> While you, skyling, and stevenl flunk-out were busy high-five-ing each
> other, the fraud of Einstein becomes ever more apparent.
>
> You also lied about the test which Einstein flunked as in French, didn't
> you? It is really mind-boggling that such a tiny country of Switzerland
> with 3 official languages (German with many wild dialects, French, and
> Italian) would come up with an exam solely on one language. As I have
> mentioned before, I hate liars!!!
>
> * * *
>
> "Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
> news:7o1agvsv1h2b8m4qpuun4c19904f8qpf1c@4ax.com...
>
> "Australopithecus Afarensis" <lucy@olduvaigorge.net> wrote:
> >Why is Einstein considered as a genius by science? Only the ignorant
ones
> >in history and lack of basic understanding of the works credited to
> >Einstein. I consider Einstein as a plagiarist. There you go.
>
> What are your credentials as a scientist (or historian of science)?
> If you cannot demonstrate same, your opinion isn't worth the electrons
> you wasted in writing it.
>
> lojbab
>
>

"John Knight" <fm@christianparty.net> wrote in message
news:7S9Na.118095$hd6.91837@fed1read05...
>
> Actually, other than the profanity, I've got no reason at all for being
> "offended". It's only blasphemy of the holy spirit which shall never be
> forgiven.
>
> John Knight
>
>
> "Australopithecus Afarensis" <lucy@olduvaigorge.net> wrote in message
> news:Qx8Na.88039$%42.51457@fed1read06...
> > Gary,
> >
> > As you know John Kinght is a Jesus Freak, he would be very offended if
> some
> > one says.
> >
> > F*ck God dead!!!
> >
> > There you go.
> >
> > F*ck God dead, the slogan of the great 'scurves'.
> >
> > * * *
> >
> > "Gray Shockley" <gray7a6@cybercoffee.org> wrote in message
> > news:0001HW.BB2A7BCC0007A4990DD1BC40@news-east.giganews.com...
> > On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:49:54 -0500, Bob LeChevalier wrote
> > (in message <7o1agvsv1h2b8m4qpuun4c19904f8qpf1c@4ax.com>):
> >
> > > "Australopithecus Afarensis" <lucy@olduvaigorge.net> wrote:
> > >> Why is Einstein considered as a genius by science? Only the ignorant
> > ones
> > >> in history and lack of basic understanding of the works credited to
> > >> Einstein. I consider Einstein as a plagiarist. There you go.
> > >
> > > What are your credentials as a scientist (or historian of science)?
> > > If you cannot demonstrate same, your opinion isn't worth the electrons
> > > you wasted in writing it.
> > >
> > > lojbab
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > John Fubar Knight is also (among several other "identities")
> > "Australopithecus Afarensis".
> >
> > I would imagine that s/he/it will soon start posting as "Vacaville
> Victoria"
> > as well as many other "falsies" which s/he/it wears.
> >
> > g
> >
> >

John admonishes his sock puppet. BTW - Where is good ole JDay?

Get back on your meds, Johnny.

James Powell

On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:35:32 -0700, "Australopithecus Afarensis"
<lucy@olduvaigorge.net> wrote:

>Why is Einstein considered as a genius by science? Only the ignorant ones
>in history and lack of basic understanding of the works credited to
>Einstein.

BWAHAHAHA! You mean like other scientists.....

This is just too rich.

> I consider Einstein as a plagiarist. There you go.

Yes, and I can see you there, stamping your feet, hands over your
ears.

>
>Your chicken sh*t question of whether if Poincare is a plagiarist as well is
>totally irrelevant. I do not care if he is. I don't want to do a lot of
>research to find out, either.

Like you've done zero research to decide Einstein *is* one.

I see, Poincare wasn't a Jew, so you have no need to investigate
further.


> At this moment, it just doe not interest me.
>So, read my lips. I don't give a f*ck.

Oh but you do. You care VERY DEEPLY that Einstein is a fraud.


<snip>
>
>>>University of Manchester<<
>
>Where the hell is it?

Err. Manchester.

And I know you "don't give a f*ck" about what you write about but
Manchester University was the seat of some of the most important
developments of which we've been speaking.

> No, I have no need to take a cheap shot at it.
>However, I do sincerely hope they did not graduate you.

Oh well, sorry to disappoint you.

> You have wasted a
>tremendous amount of the tax payer's money and a great deal of my productive
>time.

Well, time for you to move on then.

>
>In the meantime, Einstein is still laughing at you.

Einstein is dead.


Question to the others in this thread.

One of the groups in the list is alt.education. Shame one of them
isn't alt.psychology. But I have a question for any educators reading
this thread.

Occasionally in alt.politics you come across someone so pigheaded, and
so stubbornly determined about his point of view that he will
pointedly ignore the simplest self-evident fact laid in rebuttal. Or
he will construct a vast paranoid conspiracy of lying, of which any
respondant differing with his views must be part of, and therefore in
future this makes it easier to ignore opposing arguments because they
are being made by these mysterious agenda driven people who are
"obviously" lying to further their cause (i.e. total "projection").

This "Einstein/Jew Media/Plagiarist" thing is following a similar
pattern.

Does anyone have some kind of explanation for this kind of psychology?

What is driving these people to disregard the most basic facts, reject
common sense notions about what is actually possible and what isn't,
in favor of a vast (and successful) conspiracy theory that is being
carried out by people they want to say are inferior??

I see the same things from fundamantalists in talk.origins, and from
the Christian Right in alt.politics. It can't be a coincidence. Is it
deliberate dishonesty, or do you think they are truly cognatively
challenged (shall we say) in some way?

Do you think it's all related to religion?

Brainwashing? (oops , almost starting a conspiracy theory of my own!!)

Thanks.

Gray Shockley <gray7a6@cybercoffee.org> wrote:
>On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:49:54 -0500, Bob LeChevalier wrote
>(in message <7o1agvsv1h2b8m4qpuun4c19904f8qpf1c@4ax.com>):
>
>> "Australopithecus Afarensis" <lucy@olduvaigorge.net> wrote:
>>> Why is Einstein considered as a genius by science? Only the ignorant ones
>>> in history and lack of basic understanding of the works credited to
>>> Einstein. I consider Einstein as a plagiarist. There you go.
>>
>> What are your credentials as a scientist (or historian of science)?
>> If you cannot demonstrate same, your opinion isn't worth the electrons
>> you wasted in writing it.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------
>
>John Fubar Knight is also (among several other "identities")
>"Australopithecus Afarensis".
>
>I would imagine that s/he/it will soon start posting as "Vacaville Victoria"
>as well as many other "falsies" which s/he/it wears.

Do you have evidence of this? The style is so different, that I do
not recognize any similarity (the content may be similar, but even
that seemed less than evident). I simply presume that he is a fellow
traveler of the Christian Identity bowel movement.

The nincompoop earned his moniker from me for his sheer buffoonery
that crosses ALL subjects on which he presumes to spew. Lucy is a
poor also-ran like JDay and Richard the August Monk.

lojbab

"Australopithecus Afarensis" <lucy@olduvaigorge.net> wrote:
>It looks like Bob has failed to understand the topic of this discussion. It
>is about Einstein not Australopithecus Afarensis, yours truly!!!

Unfortunately for you, you have made yourself the topic. See below.

>You also lied about the test which Einstein flunked as in French, didn't
>you? It is really mind-boggling that such a tiny country of Switzerland
>with 3 official languages (German with many wild dialects, French, and
>Italian) would come up with an exam solely on one language. As I have
>mentioned before, I hate liars!!!

I don't lie. Here is the first convenient source I turned up, though
it is not where I first learned this tidbit.

http://itis.volta.alessandria.it/epi...4/ep4maric.htm
>Albert Einstein met Mileva Maric when he entered the elite Swiss
> Polytechnic school ("ETH") in Zurich. [An aside: Albert did not
> initially gain admittance to this elite school and much has been made
> by Einstein's critics that Einstein was only admitted on his second
> attempt. While it is true that Einstein did not initially pass the
> admittance test, this had nothing to do with his mathematical or
> scientific understanding. In fact, Einstein scored very well in math
> and science on the admission test (See the Collected Papers of Albert
> Einstein, Princeton University Press). Where he failed was in his
> French test; the Swiss were very picky about French, and although it
> seems Einstein's French essay was very good, it was not good enough
> to satisfy the high standards of the picky French professors.
> Further, Einstein was trying to gain admission to the Swiss
> Polytechnic at the tender age of 16, without even having first
> completed high school. The Swiss Polytechnic advised the young
> Einstein that they were impressed by his math and science scores but
> he should really finish high school first and then try to gain
> admission the next year.

Note that the article cites the Collected Papers, where presumably one
can see documentary evidence that he passed the math and science
exams. The remainder of the discussion is consistent with other
historical sources: he had not in fact completed high school, and he
was admitted the following year.



>"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
>news:7o1agvsv1h2b8m4qpuun4c19904f8qpf1c@4ax.com.. .
>
>"Australopithecus Afarensis" <lucy@olduvaigorge.net> wrote:
>>Why is Einstein considered as a genius by science?

This was the question you asked. You attempted to answer it:

>>Only the ignorant ones
>>in history and lack of basic understanding of the works credited to
>>Einstein. I consider Einstein as a plagiarist.

By the last sentence, you made yourself the issue, as to your
competence to judge whether he was a plagiarist in the sense that
science uses the term. You also implicitly claimed that you aren't
ignorant in history and that you understand his works. Thus you
turned to the debate into one about YOUR qualifications to opine on
the subject.

While I am scientifically trained, with a degree in astrophysics, I
don't consider myself to be sufficiently expert to judge Einstein's
scientific contribution. But I am a moderately skilled web
researcher, and know how to check facts and especially urban myths.

>What are your credentials as a scientist (or historian of science)?
>If you cannot demonstrate same, your opinion isn't worth the electrons
>you wasted in writing it.

lojbab

"John Knight" <fm@christianparty.net> wrote:
>One of the unique things about "debating" with lojbab is that he rarely
>finds the time to address the issues,

When you post, you make yourself an issue with your nincompoopery.

>probably because his insults,

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

>LIES,

Laughs.

>and whole cloth fiction take all his time and consume all his brain power.

Not hardly. You are purely a spare time entertainment.

>Not only did he present *false* information about Einstein flunking a test
>"because it was in a French", but he revealed that he himself believes
>Einstein is more of a moron than you do. Have you ever known anyone in your
>life who was STUPID enough to take a school test in the wrong language? I
>sure haven't.

Many immigrants take tests in a language other than their native
language. Many people, immigrants and otherwise, have to pass foreign
language tests too.

>"He failed it because it was in a French, and he was non-fluent. He
>also was much younger than the typical student applying."
>
>Einstein was born in 1879, which means he was 16 when he took the test in
>1895. This is precisely the age when most boys in Switzerland score the
>highest on math and engineering tests because they've just completed
>calculus.

Evidence that Swiss students in 1895 took calculus before age 16?

I thought not.

Einstein had not yet completed high school when he took the test.

>On top of that, Einstein never passed the test, never was
>admitted to a Swiss university,

He was admitted to the same institute the following year.

lojbab

In order to discuss serious subjects sensibly on the internet, I have to
define the following schools of thought. The ethnic name attached to them
shows the respect I have to that ethnic ground who have contributed to these
discussions with me in the past. This ethnic name does not mean only this
ethnic group belong in these schools of thought. For example, 'Chinese
Water Torture' does not only apply to the Chinese.

** Jewish Debate of the First Kind

Repeating the same arguments over and over again even if they have been
answered by the opponents.

** Jewish Debate of the Second Kind

Completely avoiding the subject of discussion by bringing in unrelated
topics

** Jewish Debate of the Third Kind

Attacking the personalities of the opponents (this is usually the last
resort but not necessarily so)

- - -

I also have to define another abstract term also with due respect to this
ethnic group.

** Jewish Truth

A lie perpetuated through more than one generation

- - -

Now, you can do a psychological profile on me. I am very curious what these
self-claimed Freud-like 'professionals' would say about Australopithecus
Afarensis.

* * *

"SteveL" <stevelon@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:wMmdnWMrRoyZCJiiXTWJjA@giganews.com...
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:35:32 -0700, "Australopithecus Afarensis"
<lucy@olduvaigorge.net> wrote:

>Why is Einstein considered as a genius by science? Only the ignorant ones
>in history and lack of basic understanding of the works credited to
>Einstein.

BWAHAHAHA! You mean like other scientists.....

This is just too rich.

> I consider Einstein as a plagiarist. There you go.

Yes, and I can see you there, stamping your feet, hands over your
ears.

>Your chicken sh*t question of whether if Poincare is a plagiarist as well
is
>totally irrelevant. I do not care if he is. I don't want to do a lot of
>research to find out, either.

Like you've done zero research to decide Einstein *is* one.

I see, Poincare wasn't a Jew, so you have no need to investigate
further.

> At this moment, it just doe not interest me.
>So, read my lips. I don't give a f*ck.

Oh but you do. You care VERY DEEPLY that Einstein is a fraud.

<snip>
>
>>>University of Manchester<<
>
>Where the hell is it?

Err. Manchester.

And I know you "don't give a f*ck" about what you write about but
Manchester University was the seat of some of the most important
developments of which we've been speaking.

> No, I have no need to take a cheap shot at it.
>However, I do sincerely hope they did not graduate you.

Oh well, sorry to disappoint you.

> You have wasted a
>tremendous amount of the tax payer's money and a great deal of my
productive
>time.

Well, time for you to move on then.

>In the meantime, Einstein is still laughing at you.

Einstein is dead.

Question to the others in this thread.

One of the groups in the list is alt.education. Shame one of them
isn't alt.psychology. But I have a question for any educators reading
this thread.

Occasionally in alt.politics you come across someone so pigheaded, and
so stubbornly determined about his point of view that he will
pointedly ignore the simplest self-evident fact laid in rebuttal. Or
he will construct a vast paranoid conspiracy of lying, of which any
respondant differing with his views must be part of, and therefore in
future this makes it easier to ignore opposing arguments because they
are being made by these mysterious agenda driven people who are
"obviously" lying to further their cause (i.e. total "projection").

This "Einstein/Jew Media/Plagiarist" thing is following a similar
pattern.

Does anyone have some kind of explanation for this kind of psychology?

What is driving these people to disregard the most basic facts, reject
common sense notions about what is actually possible and what isn't,
in favor of a vast (and successful) conspiracy theory that is being
carried out by people they want to say are inferior??

I see the same things from fundamantalists in talk.origins, and from
the Christian Right in alt.politics. It can't be a coincidence. Is it
deliberate dishonesty, or do you think they are truly cognatively
challenged (shall we say) in some way?

Do you think it's all related to religion?

Brainwashing? (oops , almost starting a conspiracy theory of my own!!)

Thanks.