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AbelMalcolm@webtv.net
[11] Posted by AbelMalcolm@webtv.net 07-03-2003, 10:32 PM
 
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>"topcat" <topcat@aboy.com>
>What exactly has he done to the
>environment. Be specific now.


I've noticed 2 specific traits with Republicans. They are the most
badly informed people in the world, and they are also the biggest
assholes ever. All you have to do is read the papers and you'll find
ample proof EVERYDAY of Bush's anti-environment policies. Here's an
article from today's paper. To get to the truth, here's a helpful
hint, EVERYTHING that Republicans say is the opposite of the truth.
What Bush called his "Healthy Forest" initiative, and he pushed it as a
way to "reduce fires", was in fact exactly opposite of that. I wish
there were more Republicans like this Judge who would just put blind
partisan worship of their God, George Bush, aside, and think instead of
all the damage being done to our country by his policies.

Abel Malcolm

Plan to log charred timber
Removal could boost risk of fire, judge says

By Zachary Coile, Chronicle Washington Bureau

Thursday, July 3, 2003
URL:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...03/MN87689.DTL

Washington -- A federal judge in Sacramento has temporarily blocked the
Forest Service from logging fire-damaged trees in a remote area of the
Tahoe National Forest in the Sierra Nevada, ruling that removing the
trees could increase -- rather than reduce -- the risk of a severe
wildfire.

The Forest Service was ready to begin cutting trees this summer in
Duncan Canyon, a roadless area scorched by an August 2001 fire that
burned more than 17,000 acres of the Tahoe and El Dorado national
forests. The agency argued it needed to remove the trees before they
fell to the ground and created the potential for a mammoth blaze.

But in a ruling issued late Tuesday afternoon, Judge Morrison England
Jr. of the Eastern District of California, a President Bush appointee,
agreed with environmentalists that the logging could leave behind enough
"slash" debris -- branches, treetops and needles -- to create a severe
fire risk.

The controversy over Duncan Canyon is part of the larger battle by
environmentalists against the Bush administration's efforts to thin
millions of acres of dense, diseased and dying trees to prevent a repeat
of last summer's devastating wildfires, which burned more than 7 million
acres of Western forests.
England issued a temporary restraining order to block the Forest Service
from logging and scheduled a hearing July 28 to consider
environmentalists' request for a preliminary injunction.

"Plaintiffs have demonstrated a likelihood of success on their claims
that as trees will be cut, extreme levels of flammable slash will be
generated, wildlife habitat for species dependent upon burned forest
will be removed, (and) wildlife habitat for sensitive species such as
the California spotted owl will be threatened by future severe fire,"
the judge wrote.

Duncan Canyon, located between Auburn and Lake Tahoe, is one of the last
old-growth mixed conifer forests below 7,000 feet in the Sierra Nevada
to have escaped heavy logging. President Bill Clinton designated 9,400
acres as roadless and off-limits to development to protect the ancient
sugar pines, incense cedars and red and white fir trees that provide
habitat for the California spotted owl and other species.

After the Red Star fire burned the area, the Forest Service proposed
cutting no more than half the standing dead trees on 2,700 acres in
Duncan Canyon. Proceeds from the timber sale would pay for restoration
work.

"Our concern is when these dead trees eventually fall down -- and they
will -- that would create extreme amounts of fuel loading on the forest
floor, and these dead trees will readily burn when they are ignited by
brush," said Forest Service
spokesman Matt Mathes.

Environmental groups including the Sierra Club and the John Muir Project
sued, saying the project would increase the fire risk by removing large
trees, which are generally the most fire-resistant, but not the slash
debris.

The groups cited an estimate by Forest Service scientists that logging
could leave as much as 85 tons of slash per acre in Duncan Canyon. A
recent study by the agency's Rocky Mountain Fire Research Station found
that any more than 30 to 40 tons per acre of brush, branches, needles
and other forest debris constituted an "extreme fire hazard."

"The Bush administration is saying it wants to log in a roadless area to
prevent a fire. In fact, what it is doing is actually increasing the
risk of fire," said Sierra Club attorney Aaron Isherwood. "The judge was
smart enough to see through this."

However, the judge's decision will not affect the Forest Service's plans
to log fire-scorched trees on 1,600 acres outside of Duncan Canyon,
which environmental groups also opposed.

E-mail Zachary Coile at zcoile@sfchronicle.com.


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http://www.democrats.org & http://www.moveon.org

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side of the powerful. Liberals stand up against the oppressors,
Conservatives stand with the oppressors and against the oppressed.
Liberals like me stand up against the forces of power and against the
evil who are rich and the evil who are powerful.

 
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[12] Posted by topcat 07-04-2003, 11:05 AM
 
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<AbelMalcolm@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> >"topcat" <topcat@aboy.com>
> >What exactly has he done to the
> >environment. Be specific now.

>
> I've noticed 2 specific traits with Republicans. They are the most
> badly informed people in the world, and they are also the biggest
> assholes ever.


And liberals are just plain stupid (59 PERCENT of people who vote who don't
have a high school education vote DEMOCRATIC, what does that tell you?) and
they hate America.

All you have to do is read the papers and you'll find
> ample proof EVERYDAY of Bush's anti-environment policies. Here's an
> article from today's paper. To get to the truth, here's a helpful
> hint, EVERYTHING that Republicans say is the opposite of the truth.


This is where I find out you have no objectivity and ignore your article.

TC

<snip>


 
CatB@infoX.com
[13] Posted by CatB@infoX.com 07-04-2003, 11:32 AM
 
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As an un-dumb "natural" blond - I resent being compared to this right-wing
harpie...who isn't even a real blond!

In article <be411t$hrh$1@news.monmouth.com>, topcat says...
>
>
><AbelMalcolm@webtv.net> wrote in message
>news:21328-3F04D910-268@storefull-2178.public.lawson.webtv.net...
>> >"topcat" <topcat@aboy.com>
>> >What exactly has he done to the
>> >environment. Be specific now.

>>
>> I've noticed 2 specific traits with Republicans. They are the most
>> badly informed people in the world, and they are also the biggest
>> assholes ever.

>
>And liberals are just plain stupid (59 PERCENT of people who vote who don't
>have a high school education vote DEMOCRATIC, what does that tell you?) and
>they hate America.


That's a lie. I love my country. I love it so much that I can't stand by and do
nothing while it is being raped and pillaged by corporate terrorists. Yes, many
poor people, denied equal access to an education, vote democratic. What do you
expect? The Republican Party is the party of wealth and privilege.

>All you have to do is read the papers and you'll find
>> ample proof EVERYDAY of Bush's anti-environment policies. Here's an
>> article from today's paper. To get to the truth, here's a helpful
>> hint, EVERYTHING that Republicans say is the opposite of the truth.

>
>This is where I find out you have no objectivity and ignore your article.
>
>TC


The biggest neo-conservative lie: the "liberal media." The media is increasingly
owned and operated by a narrow corporate mind-set.

Catherine


 
NJH
[14] Posted by NJH 07-04-2003, 08:32 PM
 
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<CatB@infoX.com> wrote in message
newsegNa.7017$cJ5.631@www.newsranger.com...
> As an un-dumb "natural" blond - I resent being compared to this right-wing
> harpie...who isn't even a real blond!
>
> In article <be411t$hrh$1@news.monmouth.com>, topcat says...
> >
> >
> ><AbelMalcolm@webtv.net> wrote in message
> >news:21328-3F04D910-268@storefull-2178.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> >> >"topcat" <topcat@aboy.com>
> >> >What exactly has he done to the
> >> >environment. Be specific now.
> >>
> >> I've noticed 2 specific traits with Republicans. They are the most
> >> badly informed people in the world, and they are also the biggest
> >> assholes ever.

> >
> >And liberals are just plain stupid (59 PERCENT of people who vote who

don't
> >have a high school education vote DEMOCRATIC, what does that tell you?)

and
> >they hate America.

>
> That's a lie. I love my country. I love it so much that I can't stand by

and do
> nothing while it is being raped and pillaged by corporate terrorists.


Oh, so now the Democrats' famous "robber barons" are "corporate terrorists."

You want to shut down the corporations, make the U.S. an agrarian economy
with some mom-and-pop stores? Great. That'll get rid of your "corporate
terrorists" for you. Better learn to grow your own vegetables, cut wood for
fuel and make your own candles, because all those nasty corporate farms,
chain stores, electric companies, etc. that have been "terrorizing" you will
be gone.


> Yes, many
> poor people, denied equal access to an education, vote democratic.


Who is "denied equal access to an education" in this country? You mean those
poor people who can't send their kids to the private schools the Democratic
presidents and congresscritters do? You mean the kids who have to go to
lousy public schools because Democratic politicians (in the pocket of the
teachers' unions) stop every Republican plan for school vouchers?


> What do you
> expect? The Republican Party is the party of wealth and privilege.


Amazing. The wealthiest and most privileged presidents, senators and
representatives are and have been Democrats, but they still manage to find
people stupid or gullible enough to believe that "the Republican Party is
the party of wealth and privilege." The Democrats sure know the intelligence
level of their constituents, you have to give them that.


 
AbelMalcolm@webtv.net
[15] Posted by AbelMalcolm@webtv.net 07-05-2003, 02:13 AM
 
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>CatB@infoX.com wrote:
>As an un-dumb "natural" blond - I resent
>being compared to this right-wing
>harpie...who isn't even a real blond!


Aahh! That settles it then, Ann Coulter's definitely a nazi then.

>I love my country. I love it so much that I
>can't stand by and do nothing while it is
>being raped and pillaged by corporate
>terrorists. Yes, many poor people, denied
>equal access to an education, vote
>democratic. What do you expect? The
>Republican Party is the party of wealth
>and privilege.


I agree, Americans everywhere, suffering from poverty which has been
inflicted upon us by these Repugs, we vote Democratic. I love my
country too, that's why I hate Repuglicans.

The Republican party is also the party of big time crooks and
anti-democratic fascists.

>The biggest neo-conservative lie: the
>"liberal media." The media is increasingly
>owned and operated by a narrow
>corporate mind-set.
>Catherine


Indeed. And if the Republicans really believed that they are shut out
of the media and if they really believe that the media is controlled by
Liberals, then why are they pushing the FCC to allow the monopolization
of this so called "liberal" media, in effect making it bigger, more
powerful and more restricted than it already is?

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Educate yourself and go to these links: http://www.buzzflash.com &
http://www.democrats.org & http://www.moveon.org

Liberals take the side of the powerless, whereas Conservatives take the
side of the powerful. Liberals stand up against the oppressors,
Conservatives stand with the oppressors and against the oppressed.
Liberals like me stand up against the forces of power and against the
evil who are rich and the evil who are powerful.

 
Pavil Natanovich
[16] Posted by Pavil Natanovich 07-05-2003, 03:41 AM
 
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"topcat" <topcat@aboy.com> wrote in message news:<be1o9f$bff$1@news.monmouth.com>...
> CatBox wrote:
>
> >
> > NO?
> > Let's start with:
> > the environment

>
> What exactly has he done to the environment. Be specific now. The Dims still
> won't open ANWR.
>
> > our miserably failing economy

>
> Klintons policies and the phony dot.bomb craze coming home to roost.
>
> > international hatred and fear caused by Bush's policies

>
> We on the right like to refer to it as "new found respect for America"
>
> > being a deserter

>
> He looked good on that air-craft carrier, didn't he? It's still bothering
> you he did it, isn't it?
>
> > consistently favoring corporations that commit crimes

>
> Not qualified enough to get a job in one of those corporations are you?
>
> > unfunded federal mandates

>
> HAHAHAHAHA! This after 40 YEARS of the DIMS spending us into oblivion. The
> DIMS primarily ran the country from about 1945 to 1994 and now we have the
> highest national debt ever. Glass houses?


When did the national debt bloom? The biggest increase in the last 40
years was during the Reagan/Bush years, until now. By the end of
President Clinton's 8 years in office the deficit had actually been
eliminated for the first time since before World War II. It did not
take Dubya long to reverse that, or to dwarf Reagan's deficit.


> > bankrupting America's public schools


> The public schools suck and money isn't the issue. Parental responsibility
> is the issue, and that has gone down in proportion to how the liberals have
> ruined the country.


"Liberals have ruined the country." Sounds like a knee-jerk
right-wing reactionary mantra. Do you get a kick of spouting
dittohead nonsense whenever you feel your button pushed, or do you
ever actually think for yourself?


> > turning a blind eye to right-wing terrorists here at home


> I resemble that remark.


Mm.


> > loss of jobs


> Klinton's dot.BOMB economy. Nuff said.


Clinton was responsible for the bubble and its burst? Do we get to
call the current economy Bush's 911 economy? The Worldcom economy?
Enron? Adelphia? Tyco? Global Crossing?


> How does it feel to be in the minority of people who don't like GWB?
> TC


His father also enjoyed popular support just a few months prior to his
loss to Bill Clinton. Enjoy it while you can. If I had any money I'd
be buying stock in munitions and oil companies. There is only 18
months left to enjoy the surge, however. I would also count on the
demise of social security and public education. If the christian
right can't get God into the classroom, they'll just abolish public
education. Teach kids the basics through private and/or home
schooling--reading, writing, religion, and marksmanship.
 
Roger
[17] Posted by Roger 07-05-2003, 11:28 AM
 
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"B. Nice" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> <AbelMalcolm@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:5536-3F00C780-418@storefull-2173.public.lawson.webtv.net...
>
> > Republican sponsored war to steal Iraq's oil. She says "all Democrats
> > are treasonous", she even goes back to John F. Kennedy and Harry Truman,
> > accusing them both of treason as well.

>
> Actually when cornered she failed to identify a single person she

considered
> guilty of treason.


She says it would "trivialize" her book if she included the names of the
people she accuses of treason. How would it "trivialize" anything if she
could help bring these people to justice?

>
> It was almost laughable when she said outright it wasn't treason when
> conservatives opposed the Iraq war, just when Democrats did.
>
> -b



 
Lawson English
[18] Posted by Lawson English 07-05-2003, 12:20 PM
 
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"NJH" <nojunk@all.thanks> wrote in message news:h8oNa.7610
> <CatB@infoX.com> wrote in message

[...]
> > What do you
> > expect? The Republican Party is the party of wealth and privilege.

>
> Amazing. The wealthiest and most privileged presidents, senators and
> representatives are and have been Democrats, but they still manage to find
> people stupid or gullible enough to believe that "the Republican Party is
> the party of wealth and privilege." The Democrats sure know the

intelligence
> level of their constituents, you have to give them that.


It is an interesting question, isn't it? The evil, ultra-rich Democrats
portray themselves as helping poor people, while the good, not-so-rich
Republicans, portray themselves as helping...

Who?

What are the motivations and genuine target audiences here? Who is REALLY
being helped by each side and how?

--
New definition of irony:

'Today's liberal Democrats are like the supporters of the Third Reich of the
'30's and '40's
- they absolutely trusted the government to "make things right". '
-Comment made on the internet by an ardent GW Bush supporter.


 
NJH
[19] Posted by NJH 07-06-2003, 01:10 PM
 
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"Lawson English" <english7@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
> "NJH" <nojunk@all.thanks> wrote in message news:h8oNa.7610
> > <CatB@infoX.com> wrote in message

> [...]
> > > What do you
> > > expect? The Republican Party is the party of wealth and privilege.

> >
> > Amazing. The wealthiest and most privileged presidents, senators and
> > representatives are and have been Democrats, but they still manage to

find
> > people stupid or gullible enough to believe that "the Republican Party

is
> > the party of wealth and privilege." The Democrats sure know the

> intelligence
> > level of their constituents, you have to give them that.

>
> It is an interesting question, isn't it? The evil, ultra-rich Democrats
> portray themselves as helping poor people, while the good, not-so-rich
> Republicans, portray themselves as helping...
>
> Who?


Has something happened to the principle of helping oneself? You know--hard
work, clean living, study, savings, investment, trying to get ahead through
one's own efforts and all that old-fashioned sort of thing?


>
> What are the motivations and genuine target audiences here? Who is REALLY
> being helped by each side and how?


Good question, actually. I have watched the poor people being "helped" for
many decades now. The "helpers" seem to do very well for themselves while
the "helped" remain as poor as ever. A cynical person might wonder whether
the "helpers" are just stupid and incompetent, or their goals are not
exactly what they're professed to be. (If there's a third possibility it
hasn't occurred to me.)


 
.BitHead.
[20] Posted by .BitHead. 07-06-2003, 06:57 PM
 
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:28:00 -0700 (PDT), AbelMalcolm@webtv.net wrote:

>There she is, on Hardball, trying to explain why it was no big deal for
>the Republicans to oppose the Democrats' sponsored war to liberate the
>Jews in Germany, during World War 2. But then at the same time she
>continues to argue that it is "treasonous" of Democrats to oppose the
>Republican sponsored war to steal Iraq's oil. She says "all Democrats
>are treasonous", she even goes back to John F. Kennedy and Harry Truman,
>accusing them both of treason as well.
>
>Is this pretty little lady just the usual dumb blonde? Or is she the
>quintessential Republican nazi?


She's right.
Your problem of course is you can't stand a smart woman, with some
power.


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