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[1] Posted by Gandalf Grey 06-30-2003, 08:16 PM |
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http://www.buzzflash.com/theangryliberal/03/06/23.html
Goodbye, Death Tax. Hello, Birth Tax! by The Angry Liberal We've all heard republicans whine about the estate tax. According to republicans, it isn't fair that people who are handed millions of dollars for the grand accomplishment of being born into a rich family should have to forego a single penny of this unearned income via taxation. After many tormented, sleepless nights, republicans in the House of Representatives decided to put an end to this unspeakable crime. They drummed up support for its repeal by giving the estate tax a fictitious nickname, the "death tax." Calling the estate tax the "death tax" is, of course, lying. All Americans die for free, and less than 2% die with estates that are taxed at all. Be this as it may, republicans decided to call this tax something really sinister sounding because nobody would support the repeal of the "Last Chance To Tax the Fattest of America's Fat Cats Before They Hand Over Enormous Piles of Cash to Their Lazy, Undeserving Children" Tax. And before you could say "campaign contribution kickback," the House of Representatives decided that those least deserving of a tax cut should have this unearned income handed over tax-free. But now that billionaire heirs are giving the tax man the finger (if the House has its way), what do we do about the big hole in the budget that the estate tax used to fill? Cut programs? No way. Showing Americans the real budgetary priorities of the republican party would see it swept from Washington faster than Governor Bush could review a Texas death penalty case. Enter the second part of the republican tax scam: Instead of cutting programs to pay for this ridiculous tax cut, republicans simply decided to steal the money from the Social Security trust fund and borrow the rest to fill the shortfall. But won't somebody have to pay interest on this huge pile of debt that republicans are racking up from all of this borrowing? Duh! And who do you think will pay it back? That's right, it will be you and me, our children, and their children. Every working American who has the misfortune to be born poor or middle class will enter the world owing the tax money that republicans are refusing to collect from the "Death Tax." Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the truly republican tax: The Birth Tax. The Birth Tax is the interest paid on an enormous debt that republicans will create when they decide not to collect the estate tax anymore. According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, the cost to the rest of us taxpayers for the elimination of the estate tax will be $294 billion over the next 10 years or so. At around 5% servicing costs per year, that means that after 10 years of borrowing money to offset the estate tax cut, those Americans who still pay taxes will see a permanent $14.7 billion annual increase in their tax bill. Of course, that bill will increase the next year. And the year after that. The Birth Tax will continue to grow as long as the government borrows money every year to offset the elimination of the estate tax. Here is a fun comparison of the "Death Tax" with the Birth Tax: 1. While the "Death Tax" was paid from less than 2% of the of the richest estates, the "Birth Tax" will be paid by everybody who pays federal taxes, including those who are so poor that they pay only Social Security taxes. 2. While the "Death Tax" was only collected after rich folks were completely finished with the estates (They're dead, remember?), the Birth Tax will paid by the living, most of whom aren't finished with their incomes. 3. While the "Death Tax" generally reduced the amount an estate would hand to an heir (in other words, the heir's unearned income), the Birth Tax reduces the amount of earned income a hard-working American will keep. 4. While the "Death Tax" went into the general fund to pay for things like health care for the elderly and homeland security, the Birth Tax will buy absolutely nothing. 5. While the "Death Tax" was paid only once, the Birth Tax will be paid yearly and will likely increase yearly, forever. 6. While the "Death Tax" is traced back to Thomas Paine, a REAL American patriot, the Birth Tax is given to us by pretend patriots, who proclaim that their love of America does not extend to funding America with their tax money. If the republicans in the House have their way, we employed Americans will soon be enjoying our new Birth Tax. And we'll really enjoy knowing that this tax used to be paid by the very richest of estates after their former owners were finished with them, and that republicans decided to shift that burden to the rest of us instead. The moral of the story: Republicans value rich guys, even dead ones, above all other Americans. .. . .The Angry Liberal -- -- FAIR USE NOTICE: This post contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I am making such material available in an effort to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. I believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107 "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." - GW Bush 12/18/2000. "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ---Theodore Roosevelt "Feels Good!" ---George W. Bush on the Brink of Declaring War on Iraq. |
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[2] Posted by rightwing@nutty.com 07-01-2003, 11:05 AM |
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:11:13 GMT, Tlalocelotl Tlatoani <redkrewe@sprintmail.com> wrote:
> Then let us not stereotype >the businessman or his heir as stupid and evil... It's not the "businessman and heirs" that's the issue It's the public policy that politicians use to funnel more and more money (or retain it) to a smaller and smaller percentage of the population. It's the propaganda, (usually emotional appeal) that politicians use to promote the policy that's so unpalatable. Money is not a person, yet republican economic policy treats "money" as an entity, claiming that "money" is unfairly "taxed twice" under different situations.....most notably the "death tax" (or capital gains) And I would argue that the Character and behavior of people like Richard Mellon Scaife borders on "evil" when he uses his money to try and undermine a twice elected president. --------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:08:21 -0500, Christopher Morton <chris01@ameritech.net> wrote: >Sorry, I'm a pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action liberal. No, MORTONLOON All you are, or ever were, or ever WILL be is a big, dumb, ass-kicked Gunwhoring chickenshit usenet moron. >Yes, and it pisses you off, you crossburning ignoramus. |
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[3] Posted by Im Right 07-01-2003, 11:33 AM |
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Liberalies are only wanting to "RULE" the world. They want to tell the
masses what to do, yet they do as they please. They are like hitler castro,lenin, etc Do as i say , i do as i please. <rightwing@nutty.com> wrote in message news:bo43gvcmgii68vrnivpovm0dv7e6mohhi0@4ax.com... : On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:11:13 GMT, Tlalocelotl Tlatoani <redkrewe@sprintmail.com> wrote: : : : > Then let us not stereotype : >the businessman or his heir as stupid and evil... : : It's not the "businessman and heirs" that's the issue : : It's the public policy that politicians use to funnel more and more : money (or retain it) to a smaller and smaller percentage of the population. : : It's the propaganda, (usually emotional appeal) that politicians use to : promote the policy that's so unpalatable. : : Money is not a person, yet republican economic policy treats "money" as an entity, : claiming that "money" is unfairly "taxed twice" under different situations.....most : notably the "death tax" (or capital gains) : : And I would argue that the Character and behavior of people like Richard Mellon Scaife : borders on "evil" when he uses his money to try and undermine a twice elected president. : : : --------------------------------------------------- : : On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:08:21 -0500, Christopher Morton : <chris01@ameritech.net> wrote: : : >Sorry, I'm a pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action liberal. : : No, MORTONLOON : : All you are, or ever were, or ever WILL be is a : big, dumb, ass-kicked Gunwhoring chickenshit : usenet moron. : : >Yes, and it pisses you off, you crossburning ignoramus. |
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[4] Posted by Gandalf Grey 07-01-2003, 04:45 PM |
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"Tlalocelotl Tlatoani" <redkrewe@sprintmail.com> wrote in message news:3F01439F.2023CE32@sprintmail.com... > !! CAVEAT !! > > Gandalf, you're not the author of this article... so none of this is > directed at you personally. I don't know what if any of this you agreed > with, so I would be wrong to assume you and the author are in agreement > here. So all of the following has NOTHING do do with you. No problem. I post this stuff to encourage comment and criticism. Right now, the left is having a hard time trying to both find a spine and to decide where it actually ought to stand in the very muddy water of political thought in America. > > Reply follows quoted text I have a problem with. > > Gandalf Grey wrote: > > > > http://www.buzzflash.com/theangryliberal/03/06/23.html > > > > Goodbye, Death Tax. Hello, Birth Tax! > > > > by The Angry Liberal > > > > We've all heard republicans whine about the estate tax. According to > > republicans, it isn't fair that people who are handed millions of dollars > > for the grand accomplishment of being born into a rich family should have to > > forego a single penny of this unearned income via taxation. After many > > tormented, sleepless nights, republicans in the House of Representatives > > decided to put an end to this unspeakable crime. They drummed up support for > > its repeal by giving the estate tax a fictitious nickname, the "death tax." > > Calling the estate tax the "death tax" is, of course, lying. All Americans > > die for free, and less than 2% die with estates that are taxed at all. Be > > this as it may, republicans decided to call this tax something really > > sinister sounding because nobody would support the repeal of the "Last > > Chance To Tax the Fattest of America's Fat Cats Before They Hand Over > > Enormous Piles of Cash to Their Lazy, Undeserving Children" Tax. And before > > you could say "campaign contribution kickback," the House of Representatives > > decided that those least deserving of a tax cut should have this unearned > > income handed over tax-free. > > I wish the "Angry Liberal" was posting to AIB, because if he was... I'd > b**** slap the s*** out of him just like I do the repugs and Bush > supporters, he's earned it. > > But if he was, this would be what I would say. > > This little paragraph above is insulting. First off, since stereotyping > and what not is evil... and when it comes to race, religion and even > jobs... we should not stereotype, correct? Then let us not stereotype > the businessman or his heir as stupid and evil... the act alone > contradicts the SPOKEN philosophy that "liberals" (He does call himself > the "Angry Liberal") claim, that stereotyping is wrong, correct? Correct. Historically, the left has had its share of wealthy businessmen. Essentially it's what's inside your heart not how you make a living that determines where you stand. > > Correct. > > Stereotyping is wrong. Unless of course you're "The Angry Liberal" and > you're seeting with hate at some rich businessman, then you put on your > white cloak and hood, burn a cross on their yard and say : > > "Last Chance To Tax the Fattest of America's Fat Cats Before They Hand > Over Enormous Piles of Cash to Their Lazy, Undeserving Children" > > So the fact that the father was a rich businessman does not justify > treating him as a second class citizen with less rights than someone > doesn't have as much as he has. Don't like my use of "second class > citizen?" F---ing bite me, saying that someone should bear a greater > weight than someone else, that someone should be subject to laws set up > just for them that treat them differently and deprive them of their > property (money is property) because they are different is the kind of > discrimination that we have been trying to eliminate, is it not? Or > should you call yourself "Angry Bigoted Hypocrite" instead? > > "Last Chance To Tax the Fattest of America's Fat Cats Before They Hand > Over Enormous Piles of Cash to Their Lazy, Undeserving Children" > > Yeah, "Angry Bigoted Hypocrite" would be a more appropriate term for > you, I suggest you change your name and get it over with. > > America was not set up to be a class warfare country, we are a country > of INDIVIDUAL rights, there is no entity defined as "society" in the > constitution. It is just as evil for "the rich" to abuse the law to > steal from "the poor" as it is for "the poor" to abuse the laws to steal > from "the rich." The right to the pursuit of happiness requires the > ability to own personal property, NOT to have the collective dig it's > dirty fingers into the pie and LET someone have the rest of THEIR check > for themself. Y'all put the cart before the horse, and the economy is > grinding to a halt because of it. > > To say the money was "unearned" is a hideous lie right on par with any > that fly out of Bush's mouth. The money was earned. It was earned by the > deceased parent. It was taxed when he made it. It has already been > taxed. If you wanted a bigger cut of the money, y'all should have taxed > it right the first time. Why is there a discussion of a double tax on > the table? Isn't this the kind of cr@p that they dumped tea in the > Hudson bay over? Look, the money is not yours simply to take and give to > yourself when you wake up in the morning and want free s***, you > thieving sphincter you. The money belongs to the parent. As it is THEIR > PROPERTY, what they do with THEIR PROPERTY is THEIR BUSINESS, to call it > a death tax is perfectly appropriate. Because you're sitting in the room > where they're reading the eulogy, holding out your hat, snatching a > piece off of everything that is divided up. Regardless of how else the > Repugnicans may be #$#$ing the economy over... you showed up at the > funeral with a collection plate. It is indeed, a death tax, because you > are profiting from their death. > > You envy them, you hate them, and the proof is right in your own > bigoted words... > > "Last Chance To Tax the Fattest of America's Fat Cats Before They Hand > Over Enormous Piles of Cash to Their Lazy, Undeserving Children" > > The above is your goal, but you're too scared to label it blatantly > what it is because you're a f---ing worthless, thieving piece of trash > and you know it. Like Bush has his accidental gaffes which reveal the > true nature of his evil? The above quote is your gaffe, revealing the > hideous monster you're hiding under the pretentious facade of charity. > > The bottom line is, you wish that these people should be given a second > set of laws just to govern how much of what is theirs you take for > yourself. > > We've got two groups of evil people #$#$ing up the country. The > fascists (GOP) and then there's you guys, the socialists. > > Y'all need to get the $#@$ out of dodge before this economy cracks wide > open... Bush raised the deficit, but it was people like you who helped > break the system as well over this last century or so. This didn't > happen overnight, you're just as at fault as anyone in Bush's camp. I > wouldn't want to be sitting in a room full of angry, jobless people that > just figured out how America's brand of don't-dare-call-it-socialism > caused the factory to move out of town. That could be a dangerous > prospect, you might find that collection plate of yours shoved up some > orifice not wide enough to handle the entry process. > > TT |
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[5] Posted by Gandalf Grey 07-01-2003, 04:46 PM |
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"Im Right" <UrWrong@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:0ZgMa.240$vj2.169583671@newssvr12.news.prodig y.com... > Liberalies are only wanting to "RULE" the world. Which is probably why Bush is out there trying to "RULE" the world, right? > <rightwing@nutty.com> wrote in message > news:bo43gvcmgii68vrnivpovm0dv7e6mohhi0@4ax.com... > : On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:11:13 GMT, Tlalocelotl Tlatoani > <redkrewe@sprintmail.com> wrote: > : > : > : > Then let us not stereotype > : >the businessman or his heir as stupid and evil... > : > : It's not the "businessman and heirs" that's the issue > : > : It's the public policy that politicians use to funnel more and more > : money (or retain it) to a smaller and smaller percentage of the > population. > : > : It's the propaganda, (usually emotional appeal) that politicians use to > : promote the policy that's so unpalatable. > : > : Money is not a person, yet republican economic policy treats "money" as an > entity, > : claiming that "money" is unfairly "taxed twice" under different > situations.....most > : notably the "death tax" (or capital gains) > : > : And I would argue that the Character and behavior of people like Richard > Mellon Scaife > : borders on "evil" when he uses his money to try and undermine a twice > elected president. > : > : > : --------------------------------------------------- > : > : On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:08:21 -0500, Christopher Morton > : <chris01@ameritech.net> wrote: > : > : >Sorry, I'm a pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action liberal. > : > : No, MORTONLOON > : > : All you are, or ever were, or ever WILL be is a > : big, dumb, ass-kicked Gunwhoring chickenshit > : usenet moron. > : > : >Yes, and it pisses you off, you crossburning ignoramus. > > |
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[6] Posted by Tlalocelotl Tlatoani 07-01-2003, 10:06 PM |
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Gandalf Grey wrote:
> > "Tlalocelotl Tlatoani" <redkrewe@sprintmail.com> wrote in message > news:3F01439F.2023CE32@sprintmail.com... > > !! CAVEAT !! > > > > Gandalf, you're not the author of this article... so none of this is > > directed at you personally. I don't know what if any of this you agreed > > with, so I would be wrong to assume you and the author are in agreement > > here. So all of the following has NOTHING do do with you. > > No problem. I post this stuff to encourage comment and criticism. Right > now, the left is having a hard time trying to both find a spine and to > decide where it actually ought to stand in the very muddy water of political > thought in America. @#$#ing awesome! Glad to hear it :-) TT |
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[7] Posted by Tlalocelotl Tlatoani 07-01-2003, 10:14 PM |
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rightwing@nutty.com wrote:
> > On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:11:13 GMT, Tlalocelotl Tlatoani <redkrewe@sprintmail.com> wrote: > > > Then let us not stereotype > >the businessman or his heir as stupid and evil... > > It's not the "businessman and heirs" that's the issue Yes it is, you need someone to pay for the systems that you run because you can't afford what they want. Your system will not function without victims. > It's the public policy that politicians use to funnel more and more > money (or retain it) to a smaller and smaller percentage of the population. It doesn't matter who funnels or where it goes, funneling is evil. Why should parents pay less in tax than single people? Why should someone that doesn't want to work have a system set up where they can live at the expense of those who don't work? You encourage a sytem of theft? You'll attract thieves that steal from you too. > It's the propaganda, (usually emotional appeal) that politicians use to > promote the policy that's so unpalatable. > > Money is not a person, yet republican economic policy treats "money" as an entity, > claiming that "money" is unfairly "taxed twice" under different situations... Which is what you and "The Angry Liberal" are defending. It's okay when people with 100,000 give to their children... but hey... those rich b@$t@rds? Let's get more money from their dead parents! Woo hoo! More "free" services! >..most > notably the "death tax" (or capital gains) > > And I would argue that the Character and behavior of people like Richard Mellon Scaife > borders on "evil" when he uses his money to try and undermine a twice elected president. Lumping all businessmen together irregardless of their behavior simply because they have a job you envy and calling them evil, is evil. TT |
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[8] Posted by Julian D. 07-02-2003, 12:09 AM |
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On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:14:51 GMT, Tlalocelotl Tlatoani
<redkrewe@sprintmail.com> wrote: >rightwing@nutty.com wrote: >> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:11:13 GMT, Tlalocelotl Tlatoani <redkrewe@sprintmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Then let us not stereotype >> >the businessman or his heir as stupid and evil... >> >> It's not the "businessman and heirs" that's the issue > > Yes it is, you need someone to pay for the systems that you run because >you can't afford what they want. Your system will not function without >victims. > >> It's the public policy that politicians use to funnel more and more >> money (or retain it) to a smaller and smaller percentage of the population. > > It doesn't matter who funnels or where it goes, funneling is evil. Why >should parents pay less in tax than single people? Why should someone >that doesn't want to work have a system set up where they can live at >the expense of those who don't work? > > You encourage a sytem of theft? You'll attract thieves that steal from >you too. > >> It's the propaganda, (usually emotional appeal) that politicians use to >> promote the policy that's so unpalatable. >> >> Money is not a person, yet republican economic policy treats "money" as an entity, >> claiming that "money" is unfairly "taxed twice" under different situations... > > Which is what you and "The Angry Liberal" are defending. It's okay when >people with 100,000 give to their children... but hey... those rich >b@$t@rds? Let's get more money from their dead parents! Woo hoo! More >"free" services! > >>..most >> notably the "death tax" (or capital gains) >> >> And I would argue that the Character and behavior of people like Richard Mellon Scaife >> borders on "evil" when he uses his money to try and undermine a twice elected president. > > Lumping all businessmen together irregardless of their behavior simply >because they have a job you envy and calling them evil, is evil. > >TT Rosie doesnt have a job. As much as the thought pains us both, I agree with your post TT. |
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[9] Posted by Tlalocelotl Tlatoani 07-02-2003, 02:59 AM |
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rightwing@nutty.com wrote:
> > On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:14:51 GMT, Tlalocelotl Tlatoani <redkrewe@sprintmail.com> wrote: > >rightwing@nutty.com wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:11:13 GMT, Tlalocelotl Tlatoani <redkrewe@sprintmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > Then let us not stereotype > >> >the businessman or his heir as stupid and evil... > >> > >> It's not the "businessman and heirs" that's the issue > > > > Yes it is, you need someone to pay for the systems that you run because > >you can't afford what they want. Your system will not function without > >victims. > > Pure bullshit > > The "systems" that hold society together need to be "paid for" to have society and > culture. Society and culture are not maintained by the government, they are run by self interested individuals who charge for their goods and services. Opera? Music? The arts? All that the public at large enjoys is privately done. The publically funded arts usually aren't very popular because the "needy" artisans who need the government subsidies are broke because no one likes their bulls*** to begin with. The so called humanitarian services you are trying to speak of (your communication is very poor, but that's because you don't understand your own system) are grossly negligent, unreliable and cost more money than a privately run charity supported only by those who wish to contribute to it. > "VIctims" are the result of human greed. Exactly. You greedy b@$t@rds @$$ raping the economy till all of the jobs leave the economy and there's one slice of cheeze left on the floor. The businesses and wealthy individuals who move their money further and further away from the US are the victims of your socialist principles. Your system requires that they stay, but they won't because they don't f---ing like you enough to keep their money here anymore. No money? No services. You lose. > >> It's the public policy that politicians use to funnel more and more > >> money (or retain it) to a smaller and smaller percentage of the population. > > > > It doesn't matter who funnels or where it goes, funneling is evil. > > Braaaaakkk......... Wanna Cracker? > Who says "funneling is evil"? Theft is theft, period. Social status does not change the immoral nature of the action. > We lived through a period of our history when we didn't > "funnel" money and it produced the worst times we've had. WHICH period, be specific liar. You are vague intentionally, fully define your argument or I'll rake you over hot coals for being unwilling to speak truthfully. > >Why > >should parents pay less in tax than single people? Why should someone > >that doesn't want to work have a system set up where they can live at > >the expense of those who don't work? > > "Parents" pay less because society considers children necessary to maintain culture--- "Society" does not exist, society has no mind, no will, and no central head. "Society" is just a mask you put on and claim whenever you want to dig your filthy f---ing hands into someone else's wallet and get away with it. You people don't want to pay, you want everyone else to pay and then scratch your head when the economy crashes. Bush did not cause all of this on his own, nearly a century of your form of socialism did. > Notwithstanding the historical record of cultures that went belly-up because of the loony > shit you're espousing. WHICH cultures, be specific liar. Statist nations, that is nations where the state is all powerful and the people are powerless always crash and burn. The American government is supposed to derive it's right to exist from the people, but that is no possible with involuntary tax, tax on properties and tax schemes which thieves like you and Bush use to rob other people. America is the only nation in recent history that came so close to being a capitalist country, and lo and behold... we outperformed every statist nation out there. History is not your ally here, it is mine. Now name these cultures that you're talking about, liar. > Those that "don't work" are present in ANY society and have been present in all cultures. Of course, but fools like you wish that people that do work should get punished and lose their prosperity to them. That's evil. > Those cultures that didn't deal with them fairly and intelligently....ended up in the > trash heap. Still not naming your cultures, eh coward? > > You encourage a sytem of theft? You'll attract thieves that steal from > >you too. > > The only thieves that "steal" from me are ...the dishonest businessmen who you created through socialist principles of economics. Your economic principles allowed dishonest businessmen to thrive and kill the honest businessmen, now you're reaping the whirlwind you sowed. The scowl on your face is ample payback for all the suffering your stupidity has caused this country, I hope to see it more oftent. > those dumb assholes who still havent managed to > see that a loonytarian set of beliefs are simply a laughable excuse to whine and cry. I am not a libertarian, idiot, I am a capitalist. You don't even have the courage to call yourself a socialist, because that is exactly what you are. > >> And I would argue that the Character and behavior of people like Richard Mellon Scaife > >> borders on "evil" when he uses his money to try and undermine a twice elected president. > > > > Lumping all businessmen together irregardless of their behavior simply > >because they have a job you envy and calling them evil, is evil. > > What "job" does a halfwit who enherited a fortune simply by being born have? None. The money is his rightfully as the heir, you have no right to stick your grubby paws into the pie. > I don't envy rich people in the least. *cough* HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *COUGH* You just hate them and want them to pay for everything you want, you're a thief with a satchel full of stolen money trying to play the moral high ground with me, it won't work. > ---- MOF, it aint the "rich people" that are the > problem, it's the Wannabe rich that whine about not being rich that are the problem---(or > the loony fuckwits that believe a failed set of loonytarian beliefs, resurrected would > solve our problems.) Pissed? You should be, it's usual for someone that has nothing rational to say about a belief system they're too scared to name to get pissy, the Bushies do it all the time. The only difference between you and Otis is what kind of @$$hole you are. > "The commandments carry no internal evidence of > divinity with them; they contain some good moral > precetps, such as any man qualified to be a > law-giver, or a legislator, cold produce himself, > whithout any recourse to supernatural intervention" > > Thomas Paine; FOUNDER Sig file, or is this a really pathetic attempt to introduce something in the conversation? It's obviously not even related to the subject at hand. TT -- Anti-Bush shirts! Check it out! "Bush & Cheney 2003 - For prison b*****" (censored version) http://www.cafeshops.com/gwp00203 "Bush & Cheney 2003 - For prison b*****" (un-censored version [my post is censored, that is all]) http://www.cafeshops.com/gwp00204 G.W. Bush - Iraqi War - "OH F--- WHAT NOW!?" (un-censored version [my post is censored, that is all]) http://store.99dogs.com/gravitywellcom/eotd/?item=11553 G.W. Bush - Iraqi War - "OH ---- WHAT NOW!?" 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[10] Posted by rightwing@nutty.com 07-04-2003, 08:12 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 11:05:34 GMT, Tlalocelotl Tlatoani <redkrewe@sprintmail.com> wrote:
>rightwing@nutty.com wrote: >> >> On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 03:47:39 GMT, Tlalocelotl Tlatoani <redkrewe@sprintmail.com> wrote: >> >rightwing@nutty.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> You forgot to mention that it is, in fact, conservative positions that made all that >> >> possible. >> > >> > Liar, the "left" has played a great deal in turning America's tax >> >system into a free for all for any thief to come in and steal as much as >> >they want. >> >> Twaddle >> >> The amount "stolen" ( a laughable belief) > > Theft is theft. And loonytarian stupidity is worse than normal ignorance. > When you take something from somone without their permission it is >theft. Oh, would that be like paying a worker bare living wages........? > Those taxes do not benefit them, they benefit the few you wish to steal >the money for. "taxes" benefit all. But taxes benefit those who have more to "lose" than those that do not, you loonytarian gas-bag. > You are a thieft. You, apparently, lisp. >> by the "left" has historically been to alleviate >> those excesses caused by conservatism, > > Still arguing in foggy forms because you don't want to get caught in >your lie. Stop denying that self-serving greed and unrestrained wealth and power have been the causes of the worst american lived through. > Name the "excesses" and define "conservatism," liar. Slavery, child labor, greed, self-serving personal entitlement, unfair labor practices, corruption.........MOF, you loony ****, -------you can't name anything that didn't cause a near-downfall of our nation, or the disintegration of the quality of life that wasn't rooted in some corrupt belief that personal power and wealth allowed people to do as they wished simply because they had the means, motive and opportunity to do so. >> to protect us from the self-serving greed > > You mean "I don't want to go to school or work harder or work longer or >earn my place in society, so I protect myself from being broke by >stealing from people who have gone to school, who have worked harder and >have earned their place in society." What a total zero We use most of those "taxes" to control and limit the greed and excesses of power and wealth by "Forcing" dumb assholes to stop discrimination (as in breaking down Jim Crow), enforcing fair housing policies, clean air, water, environment, health, food safety, transportation safety. We use those taxes to allow those who's self-serving greed would limit those who can "attend school" and would limit attendance based on unfair, unethical or immoral criteria........like conservatives did for generations in the south. We also use taxes to protect the riches of the wealthy, more so than in the slums, or core cities. > Nope, your socialism made millions of hard working Americans victims to >your self-serving greed. Millions of hard working american (REAL americans) ---deliberately, with foresight, aided by hindsight, --elected representatives who reflected THEIR values and principles, you moron. > And in the end, America has become less productive, AFTER those hard working Americans elected those who represented THEIR principles and values, this nation rose from near-ruin caused by a "hands off" approach by government after the turn of the last century, to one where MORE people lived a cleaner, better, more productive life. Better wages, better roads, schools, less discrimination....... Those self-same hardworking REAL Americans shit-canned the FAILED loonytarian crap and opted for something that made sense to the nation. >> along with promote "the general welfare". > > The "general welfare" is a lie. There is no general welfare. It's "general welfare" anytime some greedy, self-serving sonofabitch is FORCED to pay his share. I LOVE IT >> The money Stolen by halfwitted, greedy, unethical, powerful bastards, corporate, >> individual or otherwise only serves the interests of the few > > If it is earned, it is not stolen. Oh? Explain how Richard Mellon Scaife "earned" his billions, you fucking moron. >> Loonytarian crap from the first whiff. > > Prove it incorrect, lying punk. Read any history book The excesses of individuals and corporations who held the wealth and power drove us into near ruin before 1930. > Take a note of the hospital argument... plain evidence of the kind of >thieves I'm talking about. Those self-same "thieves" are the same loony bastards as you love to support. > But hey, you don't like it when I post facts, DO YOU B****? Your "facts" don't back up your conclusions, you loony **** > "All cultures?" Then most were statist, where the government has the >power to override individual will for the nameless "society" to which >everyone was a slave. Those governments didn't "override" anything. It allowed power and wealth to concentrate into fewer and fewer hands, always pandering to the self-serving greed. > "All cultures" would also include the many socialist experiments... >which is your philosophy... and they too... failed. Most failed because individuals saw a way to **** the people. >> You can't explain why your loony beliefs have been proven to be insane > > My beliefs have been explained, Yes, and we appreciate the comic relief > But hey, you don't want to cope with these facts You don't want to cope with the "fact" that your facts don't back up your idiotic conclusions. You just babble on about some straw man that looks good and everyone ought to bow down to it. History has proven that unrestrained/unrestricted power and wealth has ALWAYS been inimical to any society that allows it to happen. >> Why in the world would anyone actually "debate" nonsense like you believe. > > Because your system produces stagnation, a deteriorating quality of And what did the "system" of the Mellon, Fords, Rockerfellers, Carnegie produce? The millions of immigrants who were forced to work under the worst conditions imaginable, the corruption of institutions by the wealthy, subversion of law to those who held power, even to government used to enforce company laws. There is no evidence you can find that would suggest taxing them at a specific rate would have caused their contributions not to occur.........except in "THEORY". > Calling me insane won't make the truth go away, coward. Calling you a insane asshole sure as shit won't make you any saner either. > And I'm still laughing at the fact you're trying to call me a >libertarian, now that's funny. Whatever you are, is a fucking joke. >> Braaakakkk > > Yes, you don't like to look at facts and truth, do you? Like I've Always laughed at the hundreds of silly-assed allegations, insinuation, innuendo, conjecture, theories, stories and lies of conservatives when they were smearing Clinton, Laughing at your feeble attempt to use "facts" to support conclusions that are so deranged. is not a big jump. > > None of these systems can exist under capitalism, they are incompatible >with it. We do NOT operate under pure capitalism, you fucking dildo. The historical record is replete with the excesses when we approached it. >> Take a look at history and read for yourself what happened when we approached >> your kind of bullshit economics... > > I look at history and see what happens when we approach yours, meltdown >and failure. What failures? You fucking whining is about YOUR losses, not the losses of MOST Americans. > America was the fastest growing nations on many grounds... all of which >were the few capitalist freedoms we had. Capitalism has a track record >of complete success. Not so It had the excesses of child labor, unhealthy working conditions, low wages, arbitrary rules and conditions, (endless list) > Any read of your post will prove that you're deathly afraid to talk to >me openly or even look at the truth. Any read of "my post" will show me laughing at your dumb ass. Don't you get it? you're a fucking loony. (Oh and just so your well-used asshole puckers up..........It must really rankle your loony ass to know that Your beliefs will NEVER be public policy........whereas mine were for 3/4th of the last century, and will be again........but YOURS will NEVER happen) --------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:08:21 -0500, Christopher Morton <chris01@ameritech.net> wrote: >Sorry, I'm a pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action liberal. No, MORTONLOON All you are, or ever were, or ever WILL be is a big, dumb, ass-kicked Gunwhoring chickenshit usenet moron. >Yes, and it pisses you off, you crossburning ignoramus. |
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