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[1] Posted by Arther Miller 06-23-2003, 09:33 PM
 
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Letter to America

A reader from New Zealand appeals to American voters

06/23/03

Dear American's

I am writing to give you my support and encouragement in the build up
to your 2004 elections. Even though this will be your elections and
your opportunity to stand together and create regime change in your
own land, realize that millions upon millions of us are praying for
you to succeed.

We hear you are facing difficult times we are hearing that tax cuts
for the obscenely wealthy and the astronomical costs associated with
the war machine, that vast insatiable military complex, are robbing
you of much needed welfare, health care, and education. Not to
mention the jobs that are need in order to survive. Your once proud
nation has fallen from grace, and it is only you who can reclaim it
from within.

I and many others pray for you to be successful. You need to realize
that many millions of us who inhabit the globe in places you may never
have heard of, would love to vote in your elections, would love to see
a regime change in your country, for your country holds the fate of
the worlds future in its hands. Now I hate to say it, but
unfortunately your nation has become known as the most arrogant super
power the world has ever known. It has the dubious distinction of
being voted, the biggest threat to world peace according to global
opinion. By dropping more bombs, and by consequence creating more
acts of terrorism, what ever laws are created in your absence usually
find their way down here. I have never really figured out why that
should be, unless we are an unofficial state without voting rights,
but then again that's another story…

Our world leaders are much to nice to be honest, in fact for the most
part, our various governing leaders, are very much the same, they lie
with a smile, kill with impunity and hide their accountability behind
titles of office that it seems no one can touch them, they have become
impervious to the laws that you and I are forced to be accountable to.
I hear however that you now house 2 million people in your jails, so
the legal system is working somewhere along the line, could it be the
bottom line ?

The choices your government has made in your name affect us all. Most
of you know this I am sure, some of you may not want to admit it, and
a lot of you are sticking firmly to your guns, in support of Bush….but
the facts are screaming at us to take a good look around our world,
our lives and our lifestyles. Because to me, to have done what we
have done does not bode well for a race that calls itself humane.
Something is terribly out of balance here.

Its not just the wars, it's the environmental degradation of our
world, our food source, our water, deforestation. It's the way we
consume non renewable resources, with an infantile belief in
sustainability. It's the rise in pathological disease, which now
claims our children at alarming rates, not to mention the rise in live
birth deformities, still birth and miscarriages. This will increase
with the influx of returning servicemen and women, contaminated by DU.
Hell this war is all over a non renewable, unsustainable resource that
is running out.

A race that considers itself humane, that talks of love and peace, yet
continues to allow WMD and biological agents to be created, which
enviably becomes part of the GDP; A race that incarcerates millions
of its populations while itself commits acts of terror and treasonable
violence and murder whilst violating the rights of its own citizens,
well there is no word for it really, it just has to be stopped. All I
can say is that actions speak louder than words ever can.

The notion of weapons of mass destruction. Why are we creating such
weapons ? Do we hate and fear each other that much?

Your America is reactivating its nuclear weapons program, now what
message is that sending to the rest of the world?

When actions speak louder than words, I have to ask myself, is a race
that talks of love, yet allows WMD to be created a race that comes
from love? Or even a race that comes from its heart? Or even a race
that has any idea of what its doing. Have you gone mad over there or
what ? WAKE UP !

You and I are responsible for the world we create, and we do create
it, as surely as we allow the creation of WMD, the virus's of
biological terror, and the means in which to use them. We are
responsible even if we deny that its going on, we are responsible even
if we are not aware of what is going on, and we are responsible even
more so, knowing what is going on ..becasue this is OUR world…..yours
and mine...its not just theirs

If a country like yours, America, decides to re active its nuclear
weapons program, what can I take from that, what can the rest of the
world make of that? Is it an unrealistic mind jump given your
administrations preponderance with pre emptive strikes to see a
nuclear war over the horizon? They have already doomed many
generations of children to come with deformities from DU dust and for
many serving in both Afghanistan and Iraq to a lingering 'mystery'
illness. Just because its not you dosnt negate the pain and sorrow
others will feel.

John Lennon and many others like him sung about the power of the
people uniting together in peace and love. I believe that you as a
citizen of a country you love are just as concerned as the rest of us,
more so as it is in your name and your reputation that is being
trashed around the globe. I want you to know that I, and many
millions like me stand steadfastly in support of any changes that you
make towards ending this abuse by those currently occuping postions of
power and inlfuence in your white house.

Anger is a powerful motivator for change, and our world has been
angry, powerfully angry enough to gather together globally no less,
and march in our millions in an un precedented pre war NO war protest
!

I ask you, did we have a collective gut feeling that this war was just
an excuse to grab a sovereign nations OIL ?

Did we have a collective hunch that both the UK and the USA leaders
LIED to us about WMD. That this lie, was a fabricated burecratic
choice to conceal the oily rich and strategic land of Iraq. And that
they have done nothing BUT lie to us and continue the lies even now?

Incidentally the initials UK - USA were said to be United to Kill Us
All …by a 60 year old Iraqi man interviewed on Demorcracynow.org in
the first days of what was legally an illegal invasion. Basically
what this thread poses, is did we intuitively know all along they were
lying, and do we inherently know now, in our deepest gut, our heart of
hearts that if these PANAC visionists remain in power, they may just
take our entire world into a nuclear Armageddon?

You have an incredible responsibility to the rest of the world to
right the wrongs done in your names and we for our part, we will
continue to stand with you in our perspective countries and do the
same as we all did together on Feb 15th when we stood united in our
millions, united in our vision for peace. Many more of us, will
endeavor to stand up to our governments and get more involved with the
day to day running of our country. Never again will we allow such
abuse of power to erode, our power and voice as a people.

Our leaders, especially Bush Sharon and Blair, are showing us
something. They are showing us a world that could be our future. This
isn't the future I want for my yet to be born grandchild, or any child
for that matter

I also know that before any change can occur one must first see the
need for that change. I believe I am not alone in feeling that that
time is now and there has been such a prolonged and consistent abuse
of power in your country that a powerful force has taken over, that we
will need the energy and support of everyone of you to stand against
them and say no more.

Healing doesn't happen in isolation, it occurs when we heal the things
that affect our health and the way the world is at the moment just
about everything we take for granted in order to live our lifestyles
is becoming a threat to our health

It is not my intention to list every thing that makes me angry about
what your government is doing in your name, but I cannot conclude this
letter if I did not mention the event that polarized and in many
cases united us all.

September 11th was a moment in time that changed our world, it was for
you a wake up call to what your government has been doing in your
name, and the consequence of those actions. Was it really a terrorist
action or was it a government plot, which would validate a long
standing conspiracy theory? Since the white house has consistently
blocked any type of open public enquiry, the answer will probably be
left to our gut feelings. Languishing, still under debate at the turn
of the next century, if we are lucky enough to have one.

Whatever it was, it shocked the world, the scope and magnitude of it
witnessed ad nausem on TV screens around the world. I have to
confess, that I and many who may not like to be so open, initially
thought, yes, payback time. I mention initially, because when I
witnessed people jumping out of windows my heart cried. This act of
terrorism either state sponsored or otherwise, changed our world. And
in the way that only human suffering and tragedy can do, it bought us
together, it briefly united us.

Many of you asked why do they hate us, you honestly had no idea, what
was being done around the world in your name, in other countries, to
other peoples lives. Some of you knew that your government has been
terrorizing many poorer nations, in your name, and have been
diligently trying to bring these facts to your consciousness so that
you also may know and help end them. Yet for the most part these
people have been labeled conspiracy theorists…..however over the past
20 years most of the conspiracy theories I have heard have today
become fact. Fact, according to my mini Collins dictionary, means
undeniable yet, often unpleasant TRUTH. !

Thus September 11th set the stage for what has since played out. But
most importantly what it has done has enabled billions of us to see
the need for change. It has enabled us in our anger, shock and horror,
to connect with isolated groups around the entire world to link up
with a united cause in a united voice. Out of this has come movements
for social change, a unity of people from all faiths, all races. A
global movement that shows only signs of expanding.

Our worlds future is in our hands, if we leave it and do nothing, then
we are basically not taking responsibility for our world. I am tired
of watching small groups of people struggling to make the rest of us
aware of what is happening to our food; GE, to our children; Cancers,
to our education; (induction) our water; Polluted, and our earth;
(degraded) and our military complex; (out of control) These people
are dotted around the world in small groups all working towards
making changes that would benefit all of us. They are often un
supported, definitely under reported, trivialized, terrorized and
imprisoned, with reputations and credibility defamed. All while
warning of us of what lies ahead if we don't make some changes…..red
pill anyone? I often marvel at the fact that football stadiums, or in
your case basketball stadiums can be full with as much as 35, 000
people who often come from all over the country, and spend vast
amounts to get there. Imagine if these same people cared enough about
the things that truly affect our world and by consequence our lives,
imagine if they came and stood up for GE, for clean water, imagine if
they all voted for regime change.

Every event has a choice attached to it, and 9/11 was no different.
The US government could have taken the opportunity to make amends for
its murderous foreign polices. It could have been 'man' enough to
stand up and say that certain actions in the past, have resulted in
this tragedy. They could have began dialogue to ensure that this could
never happen again. For all their intelligence and past covert
history, should have told them that terrorism does not arise in
isolation.

The entire world will await your 2004 elections with bated breath, we
will all be rooting for you to create regime change in your own land,
for until these men are removed from power and true justice is
restored in your courts and senates, there will not be peace, rather
there will be as your president has already said, endless war. And
who I ask you wants to live in a world in perpetual war ? except
those who stand to make a profit out of it….and we are all beginning
to discover who these men are. Personally we deserve better than
this. Our children who we claim to love so much deserve a world that
has freedom and the right of expression, a world with clean food, and
natural medicine. Our children deserve to have a world of peace not
endless war. So in gods name, for gods sake VOTE if not for
yourself, then for your children. And if not for them, then could you
please caste a vote for me in your name?

Actually we should be able to vote in your elections since most of my
country is owned by American corporate interests anyway, not to
mention all the American shoot em up and kill em cop shows, along with
all the video stores filled to the brim with movies of the bloodywood
genre….our culture has become Americanized…but then that's another
story.

Best of luck
Jenese@xtra.co.nz
New Zealand

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious, but it cannot
survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less
formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But
the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers
rustling through all the alley, heard in the very halls of government
itself.

For the traitor appears no traitor he speaks in the accents familiar
to his victims and he wears their face and their garments and he
appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He
rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night
to undermine the pillars of a city. He infects the body politic so
that it can no longer resist."
(Marcus Tullius Cicero) 743 BC



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Steve
[2] Posted by Steve 06-23-2003, 09:43 PM
 
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Arther Miller allegedly said:

> Letter to America
>
> A reader from New Zealand appeals to American voters
>
> 06/23/03
>
> Dear American's
>
> I am writing to give you my support and encouragement in the build up
> to your 2004 elections. Even though this will be your elections and
> your opportunity to stand together and create regime change in your
> own land, realize that millions upon millions of us are praying for
> you to succeed.


I'll second that.

While you're at it....look CLOSELY at your democracy.

It's broken.

Any system that sees over 99% of incumbents returned is in *serious*
trouble.

That is exactly what happened in 2002 in the US Congress.

427 of 431 incumbents were re-elected.

Why? The corrupt gerrymandering of congressional district boundaries.

The US needs democracy. Fix that - and the rest will fix itself. I know this
runs counter to the "strong and free" messgae you're fed every day.....but
try to resist your programming and see things as they REALLY are.

I mean that in a constructive and positive way. You deserve to know the
truth.

There is a home-grown US answer. Look here:

http://www.fairvote.org/pr/index.html

(It's a better democracy than you've ever known).

--
Steve
(Kapiti, New Zealand)
 
gaffo
[3] Posted by gaffo 06-23-2003, 10:55 PM
 
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Steve wrote:
> Arther Miller allegedly said:
>
>
>>Letter to America
>>
>>A reader from New Zealand appeals to American voters
>>
>>06/23/03
>>
>>Dear American's
>>
>>I am writing to give you my support and encouragement in the build up
>>to your 2004 elections. Even though this will be your elections and
>>your opportunity to stand together and create regime change in your
>>own land, realize that millions upon millions of us are praying for
>>you to succeed.

>
>
> I'll second that.
>
> While you're at it....look CLOSELY at your democracy.
>
> It's broken.
>
> Any system that sees over 99% of incumbents returned is in *serious*
> trouble.
>
> That is exactly what happened in 2002 in the US Congress.
>
> 427 of 431 incumbents were re-elected.
>
> Why? The corrupt gerrymandering of congressional district boundaries.
>
> The US needs democracy. Fix that - and the rest will fix itself. I know this
> runs counter to the "strong and free" messgae you're fed every day.....but
> try to resist your programming and see things as they REALLY are.
>
> I mean that in a constructive and positive way. You deserve to know the
> truth.
>
> There is a home-grown US answer. Look here:
>
> http://www.fairvote.org/pr/index.html
>
> (It's a better democracy than you've ever known).
>





get ride of Lobbyist too!!!



 
Hank Ball
[4] Posted by Hank Ball 06-24-2003, 01:00 PM
 
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Steve <steve@nospam4me.org> wrote in message news:<x8NJa.48$9f7.2328@news02.tsnz.net>...
> Arther Miller allegedly said:
>
> > Letter to America
> >
> > A reader from New Zealand appeals to American voters
> >
> > 06/23/03
> >
> > Dear American's
> >
> > I am writing to give you my support and encouragement in the build up
> > to your 2004 elections. Even though this will be your elections and
> > your opportunity to stand together and create regime change in your
> > own land, realize that millions upon millions of us are praying for
> > you to succeed.

>
> I'll second that.
>
> While you're at it....look CLOSELY at your democracy.
>
> It's broken.
>
> Any system that sees over 99% of incumbents returned is in *serious*
> trouble.
>
> That is exactly what happened in 2002 in the US Congress.
>
> 427 of 431 incumbents were re-elected.
>
> Why? The corrupt gerrymandering of congressional district boundaries.
>
> The US needs democracy. Fix that - and the rest will fix itself. I know this
> runs counter to the "strong and free" messgae you're fed every day.....but
> try to resist your programming and see things as they REALLY are.
>
> I mean that in a constructive and positive way. You deserve to know the
> truth.
>
> There is a home-grown US answer. Look here:
>
> http://www.fairvote.org/pr/index.html
>
> (It's a better democracy than you've ever known).




It's quite funny that when the Democrats controlled congress and the
senate there were no problems in the minds of people like you. You're
quite happy with the system then, but let Republicans start to gain
control and the whole system is considered out-of-whack.

Wake up and join the real world.

Hank Ball
 
Hank Ball
[5] Posted by Hank Ball 06-24-2003, 01:01 PM
 
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Steve <steve@nospam4me.org> wrote in message news:<U8UJa.167$9f7.11065@news02.tsnz.net>...
> gaffo allegedly said:
>
> > get ride of Lobbyist too!!!

>
> Lobbyists are only effective because Congress critters have to raise vast
> sums of money in just two years.
>
> Combine that with the fact each Congressional rep represents 500,000 people
> and you have a sure-fire recipe for corruption.
>
> The UK has 600 MPs (155 more than America) for only 60 million people
> (3/16's as many as the US population).
>
> The US Congress should have 1,500 reps for 280 million people - be elected
> proportionally using multi-member districts under STV - and have a 4 year
> term.
>
> In a system like that, ordinary people could think about running for
> Congress. Each Congressional rep would represent 150,000 people....and with
> a 4 year term would stand a much better chance of raising money from
> ordinary citizens rather than corporates.





We rejected your system of government long ago . . . get over it.

Hank Ball
 
Brian
[6] Posted by Brian 06-24-2003, 02:59 PM
 
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Arther Miller wrote:

> Letter to America
>
> A reader from New Zealand appeals to American voters
>
> 06/23/03
>
> Dear American's
>
> I am writing to give you my support and encouragement in the build up
> to your 2004 elections. Even though this will be your elections and
> your opportunity to stand together and create regime change in your
> own land, realize that millions upon millions of us are praying for
> you to succeed.
>
> We hear you are facing difficult times we are hearing that tax cuts
> for the obscenely wealthy


You have been lied to

> and the astronomical costs associated with
> the war machine, that vast insatiable military complex, are robbing
> you of much needed welfare, health care, and education.


More lies.

> Not to
> mention the jobs that are need in order to survive.


Nope.

> Your once proud nation has fallen from grace,


Not a bit.
Those who hate us always do, until they need something.

> and it is only you who can reclaim it from within.
>
> I and many others pray for you to be successful. You need to realize
> that many millions of us who inhabit the globe in places you may never
> have heard of, would love to vote in your elections,


Thank God people as misinformed as you appear to be cannot.

> would love to see a regime change in your country, for your country
> holds the fate of the worlds future in its hands.


Always has, always will.

> Now I hate to say it, but
> unfortunately your nation has become known as the most arrogant super
> power the world has ever known.


Only by the historically ignorant.

> It has the dubious distinction of
> being voted, the biggest threat to world peace according to global
> opinion.


Nope.
Only among a few countries chosen for the "poll" because it was known they
felt that way.

> By dropping more bombs, and by consequence creating more
> acts of terrorism,


Which hasnt happened.

> what ever laws are created in your absence usually
> find their way down here. I have never really figured out why that
> should be, unless we are an unofficial state without voting rights,
> but then again that's another story…


What are you talking about?

> Our world leaders are much to nice to be honest,


Which is why people like bin ladin and hussein could exist.

> in fact for the most
> part, our various governing leaders, are very much the same, they lie
> with a smile, kill with impunity


Liar.

> and hide their accountability behind
> titles of office that it seems no one can touch them, they have become
> impervious to the laws that you and I are forced to be accountable to.


Nope.

> I hear however that you now house 2 million people in your jails, so
> the legal system is working somewhere along the line, could it be the
> bottom line ?


Did you go to school?
They are called "criminals"

> The choices your government has made in your name affect us all. Most
> of you know this I am sure, some of you may not want to admit it, and
> a lot of you are sticking firmly to your guns, in support of Bush


Why shouldnt we support a great, popular President, who, unlike the last
guy, has the nads to do something to those who attack or threaten us?

> ….but
> the facts are screaming at us to take a good look around our world,
> our lives and our lifestyles. Because to me, to have done what we
> have done


And what is that?

> does not bode well for a race that calls itself humane.
> Something is terribly out of balance here.
>
> Its not just the wars, it's the environmental degradation of our
> world, our food source, our water, deforestation. It's the way we
> consume non renewable resources, with an infantile belief in
> sustainability.


Speak for yourself.

> It's the rise in pathological disease, which now
> claims our children at alarming rates, not to mention the rise in live
> birth deformities, still birth and miscarriages.


Source?

> This will increase
> with the influx of returning servicemen and women, contaminated by DU.


Nope.

> Hell this war is all over a non renewable, unsustainable resource that
> is running out.


No, it isnt.

> A race that considers itself humane, that talks of love and peace, yet
> continues to allow WMD and biological agents to be created, which
> enviably becomes part of the GDP; A race that incarcerates millions
> of its populations


Called "criminals"

> while itself commits acts of terror


Liar.

> and treasonable


Is that a word?

> violence and murder whilst violating the rights of its own citizens,


What rights are your gov't violating?
No ones rights are being violated here.

> well there is no word for it really,


Yes there is.
"Gullible"
You believe all the hype and propaganda you are told.

> it just has to be stopped. All I
> can say is that actions speak louder than words ever can.
>
> The notion of weapons of mass destruction. Why are we creating such
> weapons ? Do we hate and fear each other that much?
>
> Your America is reactivating its nuclear weapons program, now what
> message is that sending to the rest of the world?


"Dont mess with us"

> When actions speak louder than words, I have to ask myself, is a race
> that talks of love, yet allows WMD to be created a race that comes
> from love? Or even a race that comes from its heart? Or even a race
> that has any idea of what its doing.


You can ask yourself all you want.

> Have you gone mad over there or what ? WAKE UP !


We did.

> You and I are responsible for the world we create, and we do create
> it, as surely as we allow the creation of WMD, the virus's of
> biological terror, and the means in which to use them. We are
> responsible even if we deny that its going on, we are responsible even
> if we are not aware of what is going on, and we are responsible even
> more so, knowing what is going on ..becasue this is OUR world…..yours
> and mine...its not just theirs
>
> If a country like yours, America, decides to re active its nuclear
> weapons program, what can I take from that,


Your being redundant.

> what can the rest of the
> world make of that? Is it an unrealistic mind jump given your
> administrations preponderance


What "preponderance"?

> with pre emptive strikes to see a nuclear war over the horizon?


Quite unrealistic to thinking, informed people.

> They have already doomed many
> generations of children to come with deformities from DU dust


Or so you have been told.

> and for
> many serving in both Afghanistan and Iraq to a lingering 'mystery'
> illness. Just because its not you dosnt negate the pain and sorrow
> others will feel.
>
> John Lennon and many others like him sung about the power of the
> people uniting together in peace and love. I believe that you as a
> citizen of a country you love are just as concerned as the rest of us,
> more so as it is in your name and your reputation that is being
> trashed around the globe.


In your opinion.

> I want you to know that I, and many
> millions like me stand steadfastly in support of any changes that you
> make towards ending this abuse by those currently occuping postions of
> power and inlfuence in your white house.


We dont care.
Get used to the idea of GW Bush being President for 2 terms.

> Anger is a powerful motivator for change, and our world has been
> angry, powerfully angry enough to gather together globally no less,
> and march in our millions in an un precedented pre war NO war protest!


Nothing unusual about that, considering most of those "protests" were
organized by marxist and anti-US groups.

> I ask you, did we have a collective gut feeling that this war was just
> an excuse to grab a sovereign nations OIL ?


Not interested in your feelings, or your willingness to believe unfounded
lies.

> Did we have a collective hunch that both the UK and the USA leaders
> LIED to us about WMD.


Your hunches are no more valid or relevant than your feelings.

> That this lie,


Proof?
Not that long ago it was the UN saying Iraq had WMDs.
Also, the fact that you wanted the UN to get more time, after already
having more than 12 years, but want the US to find them yesterday sounds
just a bit hypocritical.

> was a fabricated burecratic choice to conceal the oily rich and
> strategic land of Iraq.


Someone wasd trying to hide a country?

> And that they have done nothing BUT lie to us and continue the lies even
> now?


What lies?
Proof?

> Incidentally the initials UK - USA were said to be United to Kill Us
> All …by a 60 year old Iraqi man interviewed on Demorcracynow.org


Right.
I believe them.
A site like that wouldnt be even slightly biased.

> in
> the first days of what was legally an illegal


Wrong.
Nothing illegal about it.

> invasion. Basically
> what this thread poses, is did we intuitively know all along they were
> lying, and do we inherently know now, in our deepest gut, our heart of
> hearts that if these PANAC


You mean "PNAC"

> visionists remain in power,


Theyd have to get in power before they could "remain"

> they may just take our entire world into a nuclear Armageddon?


They make medicines that help with paranoia.

> You have an incredible responsibility to the rest of the world


Nope.
Our only responsibility or obligation, like those of any sovereign
country, is to ourself.

> to
> right the wrongs done in your names and we for our part, we will
> continue to stand with you in our perspective countries and do the
> same as we all did together on Feb 15th when we stood united in our
> millions, united in our vision for peace. Many more of us, will
> endeavor to stand up to our governments and get more involved with the
> day to day running of our country. Never again will we allow such
> abuse of power to erode, our power and voice as a people.


Sorry to hear thar such a thing happened in your country.

> Our leaders, especially Bush Sharon and Blair, are showing us
> something. They are showing us a world that could be our future. This
> isn't the future I want for my yet to be born grandchild, or any child
> for that matter


So then you like monsters like saddam locking children in prison,
torturing, raping and murdering them for the horrible crime of not joining
the ba'ath party?
Says a lot about you.

> I also know that before any change can occur one must first see the
> need for that change. I believe I am not alone in feeling that that
> time is now and there has been such a prolonged and consistent abuse
> of power in your country that a powerful force has taken over,


Again, no one cares abouy uour feelings.

> that we will need the energy and support of everyone of you to stand
> against
> them and say no more.
>
> Healing doesn't happen in isolation, it occurs when we heal the things
> that affect our health and the way the world is at the moment just
> about everything we take for granted in order to live our lifestyles
> is becoming a threat to our health


Maybe yours.
Good, because we dont care about your opinion.

> It is not my intention to list every thing that makes me angry about
> what your government is doing in your name, but I cannot conclude this
> letter if I did not mention the event that polarized and in many
> cases united us all.
>
> September 11th was a moment in time that changed our world, it was for
> you a wake up call to what your government has been doing in your
> name, and the consequence of those actions.


No, it was a wake up call that there are evil people in the world who will
attack when they percieve weakness.

> Was it really a terrorist action or was it a government plot,


You're not seriously suggesting that, are you?
Heres a clue, If you want to be taken seriously by thinking people, you'll
dump and renounce such paranoid delusions at your earliest opportunity.

> which would validate a long


> standing conspiracy theory? Since the white house has consistently
> blocked any type of open public enquiry,


Nope.

> the answer will probably be
> left to our gut feelings. Languishing, still under debate at the turn
> of the next century,


The mentally ill rarely accept reality.
Thats one of the symptoms.

> if we are lucky enough to have one.
>
> Whatever it was, it shocked the world, the scope and magnitude of it
> witnessed ad nausem on TV screens around the world. I have to
> confess, that I and many who may not like to be so open, initially
> thought, yes, payback time.


Hate and jealousy are like that.

> I mention initially, because when I
> witnessed people jumping out of windows my heart cried. This act of
> terrorism either state sponsored or otherwise, changed our world. And
> in the way that only human suffering and tragedy can do, it bought us
> together, it briefly united us.
>
> Many of you asked why do they hate us, you honestly had no idea,


Most of us knew the answer, and didnt care.

> what
> was being done around the world in your name, in other countries, to
> other peoples lives. Some of you knew that your government has been
> terrorizing many poorer nations, in your name,


Or so you have been told.

> and have been
> diligently trying to bring these facts to your consciousness so that
> you also may know and help end them. Yet for the most part these
> people have been labeled conspiracy theorists…..however over the past
> 20 years most of the conspiracy theories I have heard have today
> become fact. Fact, according to my mini Collins dictionary, means
> undeniable yet, often unpleasant TRUTH. !


Again, paranoia is like that.

> Thus September 11th set the stage for what has since played out. But
> most importantly what it has done has enabled billions of us to see
> the need for change. It has enabled us in our anger, shock and horror,
> to connect with isolated groups around the entire world to link up
> with a united cause in a united voice. Out of this has come movements
> for social change, a unity of people from all faiths, all races. A
> global movement that shows only signs of expanding.
>
> Our worlds future is in our hands, if we leave it and do nothing, then
> we are basically not taking responsibility for our world. I am tired
> of watching small groups of people struggling to make the rest of us
> aware of what is happening to our food; GE, to our children; Cancers,
> to our education; (induction) our water; Polluted, and our earth;
> (degraded) and our military complex; (out of control)


Translate that to coherence please?

> These people
> are dotted around the world in small groups all working towards
> making changes that would benefit all of us.


Or so they believe.

> They are often un
> supported, definitely under reported, trivialized, terrorized and
> imprisoned, with reputations and credibility defamed. All while
> warning of us of what lies ahead if we don't make some changes…..red
> pill anyone? I often marvel at the fact that football stadiums, or in
> your case basketball stadiums can be full with as much as 35, 000
> people who often come from all over the country, and spend vast
> amounts to get there. Imagine if these same people cared enough about
> the things that truly affect our world and by consequence our lives,
> imagine if they came and stood up for GE, for clean water, imagine if
> they all voted for regime change.
>
> Every event has a choice attached to it, and 9/11 was no different.
> The US government could have taken the opportunity to make amends for
> its murderous foreign polices. It could have been 'man' enough to
> stand up and say that certain actions in the past, have resulted in
> this tragedy.


They would have had to lie to do that.

> They could have began dialogue to ensure that this could
> never happen again.


You're quite naieve if you believe that dialog would reduce terrorism.

> For all their intelligence and past covert history, should have told
> them that terrorism does not arise in isolation.
>
> The entire world will await your 2004 elections with bated breath, we
> will all be rooting for you to create regime change in your own land,
> for until these men are removed from power and true justice is
> restored in your courts and senates, there will not be peace, rather
> there will be as your president has already said, endless war.


Actually, he never said that.

> And
> who I ask you wants to live in a world in perpetual war ? except
> those who stand to make a profit out of it….and we are all beginning
> to discover who these men are. Personally we deserve better than
> this. Our children who we claim to love so much deserve a world that
> has freedom and the right of expression,


Which is what we stand for.

> a world with clean food, and natural medicine.


Natural medicine alone would be a tragedy.

> Our children deserve to have a world of peace not
> endless war. So in gods name, for gods sake VOTE if not for
> yourself, then for your children. And if not for them, then could you
> please caste a vote for me in your name?


No.

> Actually we should be able to vote in your elections


No, you shouldnt.

> since most of my country is owned by American corporate interests
> anyway,


You can get your gov't to make them (and the jobs they provide) to leave.

> not to
> mention all the American shoot em up and kill em cop shows, along with
> all the video stores filled to the brim with movies of the bloodywood
> genre


No one forces you to watch them.

> ….our culture has become Americanized…but then that's another
> story.
>
> Best of luck
> Jenese@xtra.co.nz
> New Zealand
>
> "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious, but it cannot
> survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less
> formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But
> the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers
> rustling through all the alley, heard in the very halls of government
> itself.
>
> For the traitor appears no traitor he speaks in the accents familiar
> to his victims and he wears their face and their garments and he
> appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He
> rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night
> to undermine the pillars of a city. He infects the body politic so
> that it can no longer resist."
> (Marcus Tullius Cicero) 743 BC


Sounds like he was describing democrats.

>
>
>
>
> © Copyright 2003


 
Brian
[7] Posted by Brian 06-24-2003, 03:04 PM
 
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Steve wrote:

> Arther Miller allegedly said:
>
> > Letter to America
> >
> > A reader from New Zealand appeals to American voters
> >
> > 06/23/03
> >
> > Dear American's
> >
> > I am writing to give you my support and encouragement in the build up
> > to your 2004 elections. Even though this will be your elections and
> > your opportunity to stand together and create regime change in your
> > own land, realize that millions upon millions of us are praying for
> > you to succeed.

>
> I'll second that.
>
> While you're at it....look CLOSELY at your democracy.
>
> It's broken.
>
> Any system that sees over 99% of incumbents returned is in *serious*
> trouble.
>
> That is exactly what happened in 2002 in the US Congress.


Nope.
The 3002 elections were a historic loss for dems.

> 427 of 431 incumbents were re-elected.
>
> Why? The corrupt gerrymandering of congressional district boundaries.
>
> The US needs democracy. Fix that - and the rest will fix itself. I know this
> runs counter to the "strong and free" messgae you're fed every day.....but
> try to resist your programming and see things as they REALLY are.
>
> I mean that in a constructive and positive way. You deserve to know the
> truth.


We do know it.

> There is a home-grown US answer. Look here:
>
> http://www.fairvote.org/pr/index.html


Our system works fine.
No reason to screw it up like your site suggests.


 
Brian
[8] Posted by Brian 06-24-2003, 03:11 PM
 
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Steve wrote:

> gaffo allegedly said:
>
> > get ride of Lobbyist too!!!

>
> Lobbyists are only effective because Congress critters have to raise vast
> sums of money in just two years.
>
> Combine that with the fact each Congressional rep represents 500,000 people
> and you have a sure-fire recipe for corruption.
>
> The UK has 600 MPs (155 more than America) for only 60 million people
> (3/16's as many as the US population).


So what?

> The US Congress should have 1,500 reps for 280 million people


Nope.

> - be elected proportionally using multi-member districts under STV - and have
> a 4 year term.


We arent interested in changing our Constitution to what you think it should
be.


 
WIlliam G. Moore
[9] Posted by WIlliam G. Moore 06-24-2003, 06:12 PM
 
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:59:55 -0400, Brian <olinshooter@erols.com> wrote:

>
>
> Arther Miller wrote:
>
> > Letter to America
> >
> > A reader from New Zealand appeals to American voters
> >

New Zealand? What is a "New Zealand?" Kind of like a little Australia without
the koalas, right? Well, we up here in the US of A are busy saving the world
and making it safe for democracy. We're exploring space and curing diseases
so we don't have much time for twits who have nothing to contribute. Please
sit down and be quiet, we'll let you know when it's safe to come out and play.



-- Bill
 
Pappy127@city.net
[10] Posted by Pappy127@city.net 06-26-2003, 08:41 AM
 
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Why is the writer so interested in who we vote for?

Why is the writer putting his busy nose into our political business?

Why does the writer believe what he reads in the anti Bush media?

The war in Iraq has nothing to do with our economic situation. If the
writer had done his homework he would have seen that our economic
situation began during the past president's tenure. But that would be
unlike people that dislike Bush.

All the writer is concerned about is the lack of tourists from the US to
his country.

The US should do as New Zealand does, allow you to enter the country but
charge you to leave. That's one way we could stimulate our economy in a
very big way. Everyone wants to visit this great country.

To darn bad, we need to lock the gates at our borders and STOP tourists,
visitors and immigration thus we could stop terrorists from entering.

But the U.S. Congress doesn't have the guts to stand up for the very
people and country they are sworn to protect.

Have a nice day in New Zealand. YOU mind your business and we shall
mind ours.

Arther Miller wrote:
>
> Letter to America
>
> A reader from New Zealand appeals to American voters
>
> 06/23/03
>
> Dear American's
>
> I am writing to give you my support and encouragement in the build up
> to your 2004 elections. Even though this will be your elections and
> your opportunity to stand together and create regime change in your
> own land, realize that millions upon millions of us are praying for
> you to succeed.
>
> We hear you are facing difficult times we are hearing that tax cuts
> for the obscenely wealthy and the astronomical costs associated with
> the war machine, that vast insatiable military complex, are robbing
> you of much needed welfare, health care, and education. Not to
> mention the jobs that are need in order to survive. Your once proud
> nation has fallen from grace, and it is only you who can reclaim it
> from within.
>
> I and many others pray for you to be successful. You need to realize
> that many millions of us who inhabit the globe in places you may never
> have heard of, would love to vote in your elections, would love to see
> a regime change in your country, for your country holds the fate of
> the worlds future in its hands. Now I hate to say it, but
> unfortunately your nation has become known as the most arrogant super
> power the world has ever known. It has the dubious distinction of
> being voted, the biggest threat to world peace according to global
> opinion. By dropping more bombs, and by consequence creating more
> acts of terrorism, what ever laws are created in your absence usually
> find their way down here. I have never really figured out why that
> should be, unless we are an unofficial state without voting rights,
> but then again that's another story…
>
> Our world leaders are much to nice to be honest, in fact for the most
> part, our various governing leaders, are very much the same, they lie
> with a smile, kill with impunity and hide their accountability behind
> titles of office that it seems no one can touch them, they have become
> impervious to the laws that you and I are forced to be accountable to.
> I hear however that you now house 2 million people in your jails, so
> the legal system is working somewhere along the line, could it be the
> bottom line ?
>
> The choices your government has made in your name affect us all. Most
> of you know this I am sure, some of you may not want to admit it, and
> a lot of you are sticking firmly to your guns, in support of Bush….but
> the facts are screaming at us to take a good look around our world,
> our lives and our lifestyles. Because to me, to have done what we
> have done does not bode well for a race that calls itself humane.
> Something is terribly out of balance here.
>
> Its not just the wars, it's the environmental degradation of our
> world, our food source, our water, deforestation. It's the way we
> consume non renewable resources, with an infantile belief in
> sustainability. It's the rise in pathological disease, which now
> claims our children at alarming rates, not to mention the rise in live
> birth deformities, still birth and miscarriages. This will increase
> with the influx of returning servicemen and women, contaminated by DU.
> Hell this war is all over a non renewable, unsustainable resource that
> is running out.
>
> A race that considers itself humane, that talks of love and peace, yet
> continues to allow WMD and biological agents to be created, which
> enviably becomes part of the GDP; A race that incarcerates millions
> of its populations while itself commits acts of terror and treasonable
> violence and murder whilst violating the rights of its own citizens,
> well there is no word for it really, it just has to be stopped. All I
> can say is that actions speak louder than words ever can.
>
> The notion of weapons of mass destruction. Why are we creating such
> weapons ? Do we hate and fear each other that much?
>
> Your America is reactivating its nuclear weapons program, now what
> message is that sending to the rest of the world?
>
> When actions speak louder than words, I have to ask myself, is a race
> that talks of love, yet allows WMD to be created a race that comes
> from love? Or even a race that comes from its heart? Or even a race
> that has any idea of what its doing. Have you gone mad over there or
> what ? WAKE UP !
>
> You and I are responsible for the world we create, and we do create
> it, as surely as we allow the creation of WMD, the virus's of
> biological terror, and the means in which to use them. We are
> responsible even if we deny that its going on, we are responsible even
> if we are not aware of what is going on, and we are responsible even
> more so, knowing what is going on ..becasue this is OUR world…..yours
> and mine...its not just theirs
>
> If a country like yours, America, decides to re active its nuclear
> weapons program, what can I take from that, what can the rest of the
> world make of that? Is it an unrealistic mind jump given your
> administrations preponderance with pre emptive strikes to see a
> nuclear war over the horizon? They have already doomed many
> generations of children to come with deformities from DU dust and for
> many serving in both Afghanistan and Iraq to a lingering 'mystery'
> illness. Just because its not you dosnt negate the pain and sorrow
> others will feel.
>
> John Lennon and many others like him sung about the power of the
> people uniting together in peace and love. I believe that you as a
> citizen of a country you love are just as concerned as the rest of us,
> more so as it is in your name and your reputation that is being
> trashed around the globe. I want you to know that I, and many
> millions like me stand steadfastly in support of any changes that you
> make towards ending this abuse by those currently occuping postions of
> power and inlfuence in your white house.
>
> Anger is a powerful motivator for change, and our world has been
> angry, powerfully angry enough to gather together globally no less,
> and march in our millions in an un precedented pre war NO war protest
> !
>
> I ask you, did we have a collective gut feeling that this war was just
> an excuse to grab a sovereign nations OIL ?
>
> Did we have a collective hunch that both the UK and the USA leaders
> LIED to us about WMD. That this lie, was a fabricated burecratic
> choice to conceal the oily rich and strategic land of Iraq. And that
> they have done nothing BUT lie to us and continue the lies even now?
>
> Incidentally the initials UK - USA were said to be United to Kill Us
> All …by a 60 year old Iraqi man interviewed on Demorcracynow.org in
> the first days of what was legally an illegal invasion. Basically
> what this thread poses, is did we intuitively know all along they were
> lying, and do we inherently know now, in our deepest gut, our heart of
> hearts that if these PANAC visionists remain in power, they may just
> take our entire world into a nuclear Armageddon?
>
> You have an incredible responsibility to the rest of the world to
> right the wrongs done in your names and we for our part, we will
> continue to stand with you in our perspective countries and do the
> same as we all did together on Feb 15th when we stood united in our
> millions, united in our vision for peace. Many more of us, will
> endeavor to stand up to our governments and get more involved with the
> day to day running of our country. Never again will we allow such
> abuse of power to erode, our power and voice as a people.
>
> Our leaders, especially Bush Sharon and Blair, are showing us
> something. They are showing us a world that could be our future. This
> isn't the future I want for my yet to be born grandchild, or any child
> for that matter
>
> I also know that before any change can occur one must first see the
> need for that change. I believe I am not alone in feeling that that
> time is now and there has been such a prolonged and consistent abuse
> of power in your country that a powerful force has taken over, that we
> will need the energy and support of everyone of you to stand against
> them and say no more.
>
> Healing doesn't happen in isolation, it occurs when we heal the things
> that affect our health and the way the world is at the moment just
> about everything we take for granted in order to live our lifestyles
> is becoming a threat to our health
>
> It is not my intention to list every thing that makes me angry about
> what your government is doing in your name, but I cannot conclude this
> letter if I did not mention the event that polarized and in many
> cases united us all.
>
> September 11th was a moment in time that changed our world, it was for
> you a wake up call to what your government has been doing in your
> name, and the consequence of those actions. Was it really a terrorist
> action or was it a government plot, which would validate a long
> standing conspiracy theory? Since the white house has consistently
> blocked any type of open public enquiry, the answer will probably be
> left to our gut feelings. Languishing, still under debate at the turn
> of the next century, if we are lucky enough to have one.
>
> Whatever it was, it shocked the world, the scope and magnitude of it
> witnessed ad nausem on TV screens around the world. I have to
> confess, that I and many who may not like to be so open, initially
> thought, yes, payback time. I mention initially, because when I
> witnessed people jumping out of windows my heart cried. This act of
> terrorism either state sponsored or otherwise, changed our world. And
> in the way that only human suffering and tragedy can do, it bought us
> together, it briefly united us.
>
> Many of you asked why do they hate us, you honestly had no idea, what
> was being done around the world in your name, in other countries, to
> other peoples lives. Some of you knew that your government has been
> terrorizing many poorer nations, in your name, and have been
> diligently trying to bring these facts to your consciousness so that
> you also may know and help end them. Yet for the most part these
> people have been labeled conspiracy theorists…..however over the past
> 20 years most of the conspiracy theories I have heard have today
> become fact. Fact, according to my mini Collins dictionary, means
> undeniable yet, often unpleasant TRUTH. !
>
> Thus September 11th set the stage for what has since played out. But
> most importantly what it has done has enabled billions of us to see
> the need for change. It has enabled us in our anger, shock and horror,
> to connect with isolated groups around the entire world to link up
> with a united cause in a united voice. Out of this has come movements
> for social change, a unity of people from all faiths, all races. A
> global movement that shows only signs of expanding.
>
> Our worlds future is in our hands, if we leave it and do nothing, then
> we are basically not taking responsibility for our world. I am tired
> of watching small groups of people struggling to make the rest of us
> aware of what is happening to our food; GE, to our children; Cancers,
> to our education; (induction) our water; Polluted, and our earth;
> (degraded) and our military complex; (out of control) These people
> are dotted around the world in small groups all working towards
> making changes that would benefit all of us. They are often un
> supported, definitely under reported, trivialized, terrorized and
> imprisoned, with reputations and credibility defamed. All while
> warning of us of what lies ahead if we don't make some changes…..red
> pill anyone? I often marvel at the fact that football stadiums, or in
> your case basketball stadiums can be full with as much as 35, 000
> people who often come from all over the country, and spend vast
> amounts to get there. Imagine if these same people cared enough about
> the things that truly affect our world and by consequence our lives,
> imagine if they came and stood up for GE, for clean water, imagine if
> they all voted for regime change.
>
> Every event has a choice attached to it, and 9/11 was no different.
> The US government could have taken the opportunity to make amends for
> its murderous foreign polices. It could have been 'man' enough to
> stand up and say that certain actions in the past, have resulted in
> this tragedy. They could have began dialogue to ensure that this could
> never happen again. For all their intelligence and past covert
> history, should have told them that terrorism does not arise in
> isolation.
>
> The entire world will await your 2004 elections with bated breath, we
> will all be rooting for you to create regime change in your own land,
> for until these men are removed from power and true justice is
> restored in your courts and senates, there will not be peace, rather
> there will be as your president has already said, endless war. And
> who I ask you wants to live in a world in perpetual war ? except
> those who stand to make a profit out of it….and we are all beginning
> to discover who these men are. Personally we deserve better than
> this. Our children who we claim to love so much deserve a world that
> has freedom and the right of expression, a world with clean food, and
> natural medicine. Our children deserve to have a world of peace not
> endless war. So in gods name, for gods sake VOTE if not for
> yourself, then for your children. And if not for them, then could you
> please caste a vote for me in your name?
>
> Actually we should be able to vote in your elections since most of my
> country is owned by American corporate interests anyway, not to
> mention all the American shoot em up and kill em cop shows, along with
> all the video stores filled to the brim with movies of the bloodywood
> genre….our culture has become Americanized…but then that's another
> story.
>
> Best of luck
> Jenese@xtra.co.nz
> New Zealand
>
> "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious, but it cannot
> survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less
> formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But
> the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers
> rustling through all the alley, heard in the very halls of government
> itself.
>
> For the traitor appears no traitor he speaks in the accents familiar
> to his victims and he wears their face and their garments and he
> appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He
> rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night
> to undermine the pillars of a city. He infects the body politic so
> that it can no longer resist."
> (Marcus Tullius Cicero) 743 BC
>
>
>
> © Copyright 2003

 
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