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AbelMalcolm@webtv.net
[1] Posted by AbelMalcolm@webtv.net 06-23-2003, 06:05 AM
 
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You can get some news from TV, but it tends to be biased in favor of
corporations. That means that TV news has a right winged tilt, more so
than any other medium. And the reason for that is the money. It takes
a lot more money to run a Television station than it does to run a
Newspaper. So Television stations tend to need more corporate sponsors
to pay their huge electric bills, therefore they gravitate towards the
conservative side. Not that newspapers are any less conservative, but
at least they provide more in depth news, and with that, the truth is
available in the back pages, there somewhere, to those who want to find
it, and then read about it and think, the way I do.

Today, CNN had a short 30 second news report on the ecological state of
the world's oceans. It figures, the people they interviewed were the
few spokespersons for the largest of the fishing industries. No
environmentalists, no small business people, just the big whigs of
greed. And naturally, what the Fishing Industy spokespeople were
saying, they want less government regulations. We are left with the
impression that government regulations are the cause of the problem.

From the way the news was reported, I suspected a bias, a cover up, and
I got curious.

What they are trying to hide? A simple engine search revealed a ton of
information from a variety of sources as to what is really going on.

Here's what's going on. America is the world leader, like the big
Daddy, and as such, we set the trends, the kids (other countries) follow
our example. And when our few behemoth corporate fishing companies
exploit the ocean floors so visciously, with such reckless greed as they
do, then the rest of the world just follows suit. And this is what's
been happening. There's a mad race to wipe out the ocean's life as
fast as possible. This is terrible. We're doing it, Russia's doing it,
every country is doing it too.

We have these huge fishing ships with trawling gears that have miles and
miles of fishing nets which stretch out into the deepest depths of the
ocean floors, and they pull out of the water all the living things in
their path down the ocean floors. They just suck all the life out of the
precious ocean, and just totally damage the ocean's ecosystem. It is
not just the edible fish that are being killed, but all other forms of
life are being killed in the oceans also. This is happening everyday.
As stocks of fish steadily diminish, each generation of Fishermen
reduces their definition of what a normal supply of fish is. The
younger Fishermen keep reducing their definition of what's "normal".
But older fishermen know better, some have seen the supply of fish in
the oceans cut in half over their lifetime.

The solution is simple. The ocean fishing industries need more
government regulations.

Most of the countries of the world have debated this issue exhaustively
over the years, since many countries are having their food supplies
threatened far more than we are, especially African countries. It is an
important issue, it is an issue of life and death to many. So we should
listen to those who have studied the problem more than us. Some very
good guideline have been established with the "United Nation's Code of
Conduct for Responsible Fisheries". If only we would abide by it. For
more information, go to this link: http://www.fao.org

My personal opinion, I think those miles wide nets that just suck all
life out of the oceans, they should just be banned, period. Instead of
just a few big, rich, greedy corporations that roam about haphazardly
depleting everything out of our precious ocean floors with these awful
machines, we should instead have more small businessmen doing that task.
The small businessman/fisherman using the good old fashioned hook and
bait method, this would create more jobs, and it will also save the
oceans from being destroyed. We can take out just as much fish as we
are now, and the oceans' ecosystems would not be destroyed.

This is my opinion. At least we should do this, work with the United
Nations and the other countries of the world, and set the trends
appropriately so that this mad and destructive ecological threat to the
oceans' life is addressed. The oceans belong to everyone.

Abel Malcolm
http://www.fao.org

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side of the powerful. Liberals stand up against the oppressors,
Conservatives stand with the oppressors and against the oppressed.
Liberals like me stand up against the forces of power and against the
evil who are rich and the evil who are powerful.

 
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BlackWater
[2] Posted by BlackWater 06-23-2003, 08:10 AM
 
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AbelMalcolm@webtv.net wrote:

>Here's what's going on. America is the world leader, like the big
>Daddy, and as such, we set the trends, the kids (other countries) follow
>our example. And when our few behemoth corporate fishing companies
>exploit the ocean floors so visciously, with such reckless greed as they
>do, then the rest of the world just follows suit. And this is what's
>been happening. There's a mad race to wipe out the ocean's life as
>fast as possible. This is terrible. We're doing it, Russia's doing it,
>every country is doing it too.
>
>We have these huge fishing ships with trawling gears that have miles and
>miles of fishing nets which stretch out into the deepest depths of the
>ocean floors, and they pull out of the water all the living things in
>their path down the ocean floors. They just suck all the life out of the
>precious ocean, and just totally damage the ocean's ecosystem. It is
>not just the edible fish that are being killed, but all other forms of
>life ...


Blah, blah, blah ...

Lookie here ... people want cheap *FOOD* and that's that.
Without it, THEY die - and they'd rather see dead whales
than dead children. What this means is that everybody is
gonna CONTINUE to 'ravage' the oceans until the fish are
so few and far between that it's no longer economically
viable to try and catch them.

THEN people will start to starve ... and it's uncertain
whether land-farms will be able to take up the slack
because of all the anti-Genetically-Modified-Food bans,
inadequate water supplies and the fact that someone
built a golf course on top of Mr. Browns old farm.

Tuff titty all around, but that's how people DO things -
race to suck-up every resource as fast as possible for
profit and baby-making and then die-off in droves when
it runs out. On the whole we DON'T learn and DON'T
restrain ourselves ... and, I suppose, deserve exactly
what we get.

So, if you're smart, you'll buy some little island off
of S. Carolina, put a razor-wire fence around the shore
and raise turnips and such for your own consumption.
Otherwise, when the crunch comes, it will be a race to
see whether you eat your neighbor first, or he eats you.

Actually, the USA can get by OK without seafoods ... but
a number of other nations, especially Japan, are seafood
junkies and may not be able to afford importing farm foods
once the fishies run out.

 
Captain Compassion
[3] Posted by Captain Compassion 06-23-2003, 12:09 PM
 
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 02:05:14 -0700 (PDT), AbelMalcolm@webtv.net wrote:

>You can get some news from TV, but it tends to be biased in favor of
>corporations. That means that TV news has a right winged tilt, more so
>than any other medium. And the reason for that is the money. It takes
>a lot more money to run a Television station than it does to run a
>Newspaper. So Television stations tend to need more corporate sponsors
>to pay their huge electric bills, therefore they gravitate towards the
>conservative side. Not that newspapers are any less conservative, but
>at least they provide more in depth news, and with that, the truth is
>available in the back pages, there somewhere, to those who want to find
>it, and then read about it and think, the way I do.
>
>Today, CNN had a short 30 second news report on the ecological state of
>the world's oceans. It figures, the people they interviewed were the
>few spokespersons for the largest of the fishing industries. No
>environmentalists, no small business people, just the big whigs of
>greed. And naturally, what the Fishing Industy spokespeople were
>saying, they want less government regulations. We are left with the
>impression that government regulations are the cause of the problem.
>
>From the way the news was reported, I suspected a bias, a cover up, and
>I got curious.
>
>What they are trying to hide? A simple engine search revealed a ton of
>information from a variety of sources as to what is really going on.
>
>Here's what's going on. America is the world leader, like the big
>Daddy, and as such, we set the trends, the kids (other countries) follow
>our example. And when our few behemoth corporate fishing companies
>exploit the ocean floors so visciously, with such reckless greed as they
>do, then the rest of the world just follows suit. And this is what's
>been happening. There's a mad race to wipe out the ocean's life as
>fast as possible. This is terrible. We're doing it, Russia's doing it,
>every country is doing it too.
>
>We have these huge fishing ships with trawling gears that have miles and
>miles of fishing nets which stretch out into the deepest depths of the
>ocean floors, and they pull out of the water all the living things in
>their path down the ocean floors. They just suck all the life out of the
>precious ocean, and just totally damage the ocean's ecosystem. It is
>not just the edible fish that are being killed, but all other forms of
>life are being killed in the oceans also. This is happening everyday.
>As stocks of fish steadily diminish, each generation of Fishermen
>reduces their definition of what a normal supply of fish is. The
>younger Fishermen keep reducing their definition of what's "normal".
>But older fishermen know better, some have seen the supply of fish in
>the oceans cut in half over their lifetime.
>
>The solution is simple. The ocean fishing industries need more
>government regulations.
>
>Most of the countries of the world have debated this issue exhaustively
>over the years, since many countries are having their food supplies
>threatened far more than we are, especially African countries. It is an
>important issue, it is an issue of life and death to many. So we should
>listen to those who have studied the problem more than us. Some very
>good guideline have been established with the "United Nation's Code of
>Conduct for Responsible Fisheries". If only we would abide by it. For
>more information, go to this link: http://www.fao.org
>
>My personal opinion, I think those miles wide nets that just suck all
>life out of the oceans, they should just be banned, period. Instead of
>just a few big, rich, greedy corporations that roam about haphazardly
>depleting everything out of our precious ocean floors with these awful
>machines, we should instead have more small businessmen doing that task.
>The small businessman/fisherman using the good old fashioned hook and
>bait method, this would create more jobs, and it will also save the
>oceans from being destroyed. We can take out just as much fish as we
>are now, and the oceans' ecosystems would not be destroyed.
>
>This is my opinion. At least we should do this, work with the United
>Nations and the other countries of the world, and set the trends
>appropriately so that this mad and destructive ecological threat to the
>oceans' life is addressed. The oceans belong to everyone.
>

And $20 for a can of tuna.


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"Giving society cheap abundant energy . . . would be the equivalent of
giving an idiot child a machine gun." -- Dr. Paul Ehrlich

"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other
is wrong, but the middle is always evil." -- Ayn Rand

"...observe that in all the propaganda of the ecologists amidst all
their appeals to nature and pleas for 'harmony with nature' there is
no discussion of man's needs and the requirements of his survival.
Man is treated as if he were an unnatural phenomenon. Man cannot
survive in the kind of state of nature that the ecologists envision
i.e., on the level of sea urchins or polar bears..." - AYN RAND
"The Anti-Industrial Revolution," The New Left, 136.

"In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us,
'Make us your slaves, but feed us.'" -- Dosteovsky

Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
 
Brain Death
[4] Posted by Brain Death 06-23-2003, 01:58 PM
 
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 02:05:14 -0700 (PDT), AbelMalcolm@webtv.net wrote:

>The oceans belong to everyone.


That, my friend, is the problem. If the oceans actually belonged to
someone, or a (gasp!) corporation, they would have an incentive to
control the fishing to maintain replacement levels. If they were the
only people allowed to conduct the mass-netting exercises you
describe, then they would have an incentive NOT to overfish, since it
would just depress prices. The current situation is much like what
happened to the buffalo--nobody owned the land so the buffalo could be
hunted and killed freely.

Regulation will not work. Private property is the answer.

BD

"Our policy is simple: We are not going to betray
our friends, reward the enemies of freedom, or
permit fear and retreat to become American policies.
... None of the four wars in my lifetime came about
because we were too strong. It is weakness ... that
invites adventurous adversaries to make mistaken
judgments."

-Former President Ronald Reagan
 
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