If you are one who thinks of scenario players as:

scenario players are "roving packs of obsessive paramilitary
out-of-touch-with-reality players" , ". i do NOT allow "scenario
"TEAMS"" to play together at my
big games. TEAMS play tournaments against other TEAMS." , "Scenario
games, IMNSHO, take it too far." , "99% just want to shoot the crap out
of people with a few die-hards that
actually pay attention to the details of the scenario. And the average
scenario team would get the s&&t ripped out of them by an honest to god
"team" anyway." ,

Please feel free to visit www.viperpaintball.com and post your opinion
there. There you will receive a true and honest answer to your
uneducated insults, comments, and questions. Please do not down a type
of play until you have actually played at a well organized, well
planned, well run event. In which case, if you are near Texas or
Louisiana, please attend a MXS or a Viper Scenario.

Visit the forums, ask questions, do whatever. BUT DO NOT insult the
scenario players or the game in question until you have experienced an
event produced by these two vendors.

We are a very friendly group of players and teams and we help each other
in many ways. Friday nights before an event we have casual parties in
which you can enjoy food and other items (alcohol if 21+) throughout the
night.

DO not think it is an unsafe event either. Please visit an event and
search for any team affiliated with www.viperpaintball.com

When it comes to scenarios, most people are going out to play sometimes at
the drop of a hat. At least in my neck of the country. Plus, not very many
people have time during the week to put together scenarios that are new and
easy to understand for each day of play.

I'm sure that most paintballers are more than willing to do scenarios.
However, I have played against some paintballers in scenarios that are like
what was quoted in the comments:

> scenario players are "roving packs of obsessive paramilitary
> out-of-touch-with-reality players"

Those are the ones that make the game not as fun for others that are not as
into it. There is a time and place to bring out all your toys against other
players and there is a time to enjoy the game. Some have just gone so far
that they see paintball as a time to practice their "military" skills
without considering the real reason for the sport: fun and recreation. When
that distinction can be made the game is more than enjoyable. But, those
that go to the extreme side of scenarios make it less enjoyable for newbies
and a waste of time for those that have not gone hard-core scenario.

Hopefully this helps you understand why those comments are made. Not
because of how we feel about those scenario paintballers. But how they have
presented themselves in fun games of speedball, airball, etc.

Jason

"Brett Huston" <tterb0_junk@charter.net> wrote in message
news:10ductp3lgikrba@corp.supernews.com...
> If you are one who thinks of scenario players as:
>
> scenario players are "roving packs of obsessive paramilitary
> out-of-touch-with-reality players" , ". i do NOT allow "scenario
> "TEAMS"" to play together at my
> big games. TEAMS play tournaments against other TEAMS." , "Scenario
> games, IMNSHO, take it too far." , "99% just want to shoot the crap out
> of people with a few die-hards that
> actually pay attention to the details of the scenario. And the average
> scenario team would get the s&&t ripped out of them by an honest to god
> "team" anyway." ,
>
> Please feel free to visit www.viperpaintball.com and post your opinion
> there. There you will receive a true and honest answer to your
> uneducated insults, comments, and questions. Please do not down a type
> of play until you have actually played at a well organized, well
> planned, well run event. In which case, if you are near Texas or
> Louisiana, please attend a MXS or a Viper Scenario.
>
> Visit the forums, ask questions, do whatever. BUT DO NOT insult the
> scenario players or the game in question until you have experienced an
> event produced by these two vendors.
>
> We are a very friendly group of players and teams and we help each other
> in many ways. Friday nights before an event we have casual parties in
> which you can enjoy food and other items (alcohol if 21+) throughout the
> night.
>
> DO not think it is an unsafe event either. Please visit an event and
> search for any team affiliated with www.viperpaintball.com
>

Sorry for the late reply, I just came across this tonight. You said...


> I'm sure that most paintballers are more than willing to do
scenarios.
> However, I have played against some paintballers in scenarios that
are like
> what was quoted in the comments:
>
> > scenario players are "roving packs of obsessive paramilitary
> > out-of-touch-with-reality players"
>
> Those are the ones that make the game not as fun for others that are
not as
> into it. There is a time and place to bring out all your toys
against other
> players and there is a time to enjoy the game. Some have just gone
so far
> that they see paintball as a time to practice their "military" skills
> without considering the real reason for the sport: fun and
recreation.


In all the time I have been in the Scenario world, I can't
remember one person that is "Practicing their military skills."
Everybody at a scenario is usually out to have a good time, "role-play"
(one of the biggest parts of a scenario, which may be where you are
getting the "practicing the military skills" from), and, well, to win.
Because, just like tournaments, scenarios are a competiton.

Although it is competive, there is rarely fighting,
swearing, unsportsmanship, or even theft. Now, I cannot say it never
happens, but not as often as Tournaments. I realize tournaments has a
much more competitive enviroment, and that tends to bring out some
peoples bad sides, but I am not dissing tournament play, as I play
tournaments myself.

But honestly, I can not think of anybody who is out on the
paintball field "training" and "getting ready for war." The only thing
I can think of is where you are getting that from is from the
role-players, which is a vital part of most scenarios. Roles that range
from snipers, to medics, to even "Sir Robin
the-not-quite-so-brave-as-Sir-Lancelot"
(http://www.viperpaintball.com/index....&even tid=69).

And honestly, paintball is nothing like war. Its a whole
diffrent ball game. What do you think you will be told if you told a
marine, "I've been practicing for war by playing paintball!"

Tterb0 is correct. My group is made up of several guys who are
ex-military, as well as some who are not. The ex-military have no
special edge, and none of us are trying to train for anything. Some of
our ex-military are actually at a disadvantage when they are not able to
come to terms with the range and accuracy differences between a Tippman
98 vs. M-14 - some of these guys have to relearn how to shoot. Jarheads,
go figure. Some of our young kids are just as good in the woods as our
grizzled paratroopers. We also have some deep woods bow and rifle
hunters that top the list of "bad to be hunted by". My own military
background is Coast Guard - I was a cook in the reserves but served
several years in collateral duty as port safety/security. This has
brought only some advantages to the field for me (I know how to function
in a squad and take orders without arguing about it), while my years
spent hunting squirrel with my dad has brought me more advantages (I
know how to sit still and not be seen).
We have been able to use some elements of our military background to
make organization and execution of play run a little smoother, but we
are just playing scenarios in the woods and having fun.
There are some law enforcement and military groups that use paintball
for training, but that training is more about team work, communication,
and getting used to being shot at. There really isn't a whole lot of
similarities between storming a fort with paintball vs. facing down real
fire arms, especially when real firearms frequently include choppers,
missiles, and many other elements that just can't be replicated on a
paintball field. I do not think having a paint grenade that could kill
you two rooms away would be very popular in tournament play.
Every activity has a possibility of jerks and losers who think more of
themselves than other do, I see it at football games and little league
play. And I have seen some paintball players take the game entirely too
seriously where they loose sight of the real reason they are there and
stop having fun. But "roving packs of obsessive paramilitary
out-of-touch-with-reality players" just doesn't come close to what I
have experienced shooting woodland and scenario games.
Perhaps an isolated group of skin head idiots gave our poster a bad
experience, but I really don't think they represent anywhere near the
majority of scenario players.

Bill

tterb0 wrote:

> Sorry for the late reply, I just came across this tonight. You said...
>
>
>
>>I'm sure that most paintballers are more than willing to do
>
> scenarios.
>
>>However, I have played against some paintballers in scenarios that
>
> are like
>
>>what was quoted in the comments:
>>
>>
>>>scenario players are "roving packs of obsessive paramilitary
>>>out-of-touch-with-reality players"
>>
>>Those are the ones that make the game not as fun for others that are
>
> not as
>
>>into it. There is a time and place to bring out all your toys
>
> against other
>
>>players and there is a time to enjoy the game. Some have just gone
>
> so far
>
>>that they see paintball as a time to practice their "military" skills
>>without considering the real reason for the sport: fun and
>
> recreation.
>
>
> In all the time I have been in the Scenario world, I can't
> remember one person that is "Practicing their military skills."
> Everybody at a scenario is usually out to have a good time, "role-play"
> (one of the biggest parts of a scenario, which may be where you are
> getting the "practicing the military skills" from), and, well, to win.
> Because, just like tournaments, scenarios are a competiton.
>
> Although it is competive, there is rarely fighting,
> swearing, unsportsmanship, or even theft. Now, I cannot say it never
> happens, but not as often as Tournaments. I realize tournaments has a
> much more competitive enviroment, and that tends to bring out some
> peoples bad sides, but I am not dissing tournament play, as I play
> tournaments myself.
>
> But honestly, I can not think of anybody who is out on the
> paintball field "training" and "getting ready for war." The only thing
> I can think of is where you are getting that from is from the
> role-players, which is a vital part of most scenarios. Roles that range
> from snipers, to medics, to even "Sir Robin
> the-not-quite-so-brave-as-Sir-Lancelot"
> (http://www.viperpaintball.com/index....&even tid=69).
>
> And honestly, paintball is nothing like war. Its a whole
> diffrent ball game. What do you think you will be told if you told a
> marine, "I've been practicing for war by playing paintball!"
>

Good post! And I totally agree. In my experience the vast majority of scenario
players are out to have fun and get away for the weekend. That's it. Sure you
might find a few jerks, but that's the same case in ANY activity, and the
incidents are likely to grow along with the overall number of people. If you
let yourself have a bad experience and are looking for someone else to blame,
there's usually someone available to accomodate you.

Bill Burks wrote:
>Tterb0 is correct. My group is made up of several guys who are
>ex-military, as well as some who are not. The ex-military have no
>special edge, and none of us are trying to train for anything. Some of
>our ex-military are actually at a disadvantage when they are not able to
>come to terms with the range and accuracy differences between a Tippman
>98 vs. M-14 - some of these guys have to relearn how to shoot. Jarheads,
>go figure. Some of our young kids are just as good in the woods as our
>grizzled paratroopers. We also have some deep woods bow and rifle
>hunters that top the list of "bad to be hunted by". My own military
>background is Coast Guard - I was a cook in the reserves but served
>several years in collateral duty as port safety/security. This has
>brought only some advantages to the field for me (I know how to function
>in a squad and take orders without arguing about it), while my years
>spent hunting squirrel with my dad has brought me more advantages (I
>know how to sit still and not be seen).
>We have been able to use some elements of our military background to
>make organization and execution of play run a little smoother, but we
>are just playing scenarios in the woods and having fun.
>There are some law enforcement and military groups that use paintball
>for training, but that training is more about team work, communication,
>and getting used to being shot at. There really isn't a whole lot of
>similarities between storming a fort with paintball vs. facing down real
>fire arms, especially when real firearms frequently include choppers,
>missiles, and many other elements that just can't be replicated on a
>paintball field. I do not think having a paint grenade that could kill
>you two rooms away would be very popular in tournament play.
>Every activity has a possibility of jerks and losers who think more of
>themselves than other do, I see it at football games and little league
>play. And I have seen some paintball players take the game entirely too
>seriously where they loose sight of the real reason they are there and
>stop having fun. But "roving packs of obsessive paramilitary
>out-of-touch-with-reality players" just doesn't come close to what I
>have experienced shooting woodland and scenario games.
>Perhaps an isolated group of skin head idiots gave our poster a bad
>experience, but I really don't think they represent anywhere near the
>majority of scenario players.
>
>Bill

Billy Goodman -
Pukin Dogs
http://www.pukindogspaintball.com

.. If you
> let yourself have a bad experience and are looking for someone else to
> blame,
> there's usually someone available to accomodate you.

You should put that in your sig.

On 24 Jan 2005 14:54:52 GMT, blg123@aol.companyslut (Billy Goodman)
wrote:

>Good post! And I totally agree. In my experience the vast majority of scenario
>players are out to have fun and get away for the weekend. That's it. Sure you
>might find a few jerks, but that's the same case in ANY activity, and the
>incidents are likely to grow along with the overall number of people. If you
>let yourself have a bad experience and are looking for someone else to blame,
>there's usually someone available to accomodate you.
>


Noticed you are attending the Quest game next weekend in Louisianna.

Yes, even though I'm a lowly peasant, the monks have taught me how to
read.... and shoot...... and lurk around Sherwood....

See ya there.

Mike Smith

We should be down there Friday morning.. leaving Thursday evening.
Holler at me if you get the chance. Should have the team banner on the
side of the motorhome somewhere. See ya there.

Billy Goodman -
http://www.pukindogspaintball.com
If you let yourself have a bad experience and are looking for someone
else to blame, there's usually someone available to accomodate you.

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