what's the difference between a flatline and a proto? (not even sure
what it is) remember man... i'm new at this }8-P

unforgiven 33 wrote:
> what's the difference between a flatline and a proto? (not even sure
> what it is) remember man... i'm new at this }8-P
>

Tony's just spouting his usual answer: get a Matrix. If it doesn't suit
your purpose, don't buy into it.

As for the Flatline, the point's not to get the ball out much farther;
paintballs won't break at that range anyway. It's just to keep the
trajectory flatter, and if you're a woods player with a low canopy,
that's a *big* plus. On the other hand, the Flatline *needs* good paint
to work well. Good paint works well, but bad paint gets *much* worse
with the Flatline spin on it.

--
Please note that due to cuts in the budget, the light at the end of the
tunnel has been disconnected.
--Management

MM....shut your pie-hole....all i said was ask his field owner if he could
try a proto....i own a cocker and play with a non- electric one to
boot...yes i like matrix very much...they are a PROVEN machine..if he tries
one he will know the difference right away...new player can tell very fast
also a good gun and a med gun..
"Matt Moriearty" <MathU41@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:iOK0f.133468$xl6.128943@tornado.tampabay.rr.c om...
> unforgiven 33 wrote:
> > what's the difference between a flatline and a proto? (not even sure
> > what it is) remember man... i'm new at this }8-P
> >
>
> Tony's just spouting his usual answer: get a Matrix. If it doesn't suit
> your purpose, don't buy into it.
>
> As for the Flatline, the point's not to get the ball out much farther;
> paintballs won't break at that range anyway. It's just to keep the
> trajectory flatter, and if you're a woods player with a low canopy,
> that's a *big* plus. On the other hand, the Flatline *needs* good paint
> to work well. Good paint works well, but bad paint gets *much* worse
> with the Flatline spin on it.
>
> --
> Please note that due to cuts in the budget, the light at the end of the
> tunnel has been disconnected.
> --Management

Tony Sr. wrote:
> MM....shut your pie-hole....all i said was ask his field owner if he could
> try a proto....i own a cocker and play with a non- electric one to
> boot...yes i like matrix very much...they are a PROVEN machine..if he tries
> one he will know the difference right away...new player can tell very fast
> also a good gun and a med gun..

Yes, that is what you said. That's also what you say to every person
that asks about buying a marker here. I didn't insult you by it, I just
made a note. I went on from there to spout my usual response about the
Flatline, so I really don't see where you have much place other than to
politely point that out in response, which you just breezed right over.

--
Please note that due to cuts in the budget, the light at the end of the
tunnel has been disconnected.
--Management

"still liked the feel of the A-5 but i was disappointed
by it too"
above spoken by unforgivin so tony sr responded in wise guy form ahem...buy
one ! then went on to say try a proto then you will see...look tippman may
be ok...flatline maybe 2...what i am saying to all the noobs is don't go out
and through good money after bad money...also my choice would be the
proto...tippman effect who has the best guns tippman can make or trick out
and they still suck...please don't tell me a gun doesn't help a lot because
the tippman players themselves are really good, but proto players seem to
kick tippmans butt regular...sorry ,plain and simple ;-)
"Matt Moriearty" <MathU41@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:YJL0f.133897$xl6.34415@tornado.tampabay.rr.co m...
> Tony Sr. wrote:
> > MM....shut your pie-hole....all i said was ask his field owner if he
could
> > try a proto....i own a cocker and play with a non- electric one to
> > boot...yes i like matrix very much...they are a PROVEN machine..if he
tries
> > one he will know the difference right away...new player can tell very
fast
> > also a good gun and a med gun..
>
> Yes, that is what you said. That's also what you say to every person
> that asks about buying a marker here. I didn't insult you by it, I just
> made a note. I went on from there to spout my usual response about the
> Flatline, so I really don't see where you have much place other than to
> politely point that out in response, which you just breezed right over.
>
> --
> Please note that due to cuts in the budget, the light at the end of the
> tunnel has been disconnected.
> --Management

Tony Sr. wrote:
> "still liked the feel of the A-5 but i was disappointed
> by it too"
> above spoken by unforgivin so tony sr responded in wise guy form ahem...buy
> one ! then went on to say try a proto then you will see...look tippman may
> be ok...flatline maybe 2...what i am saying to all the noobs is don't go out
> and through good money after bad money...also my choice would be the
> proto...tippman effect who has the best guns tippman can make or trick out
> and they still suck...please don't tell me a gun doesn't help a lot because
> the tippman players themselves are really good, but proto players seem to
> kick tippmans butt regular...sorry ,plain and simple ;-)

See, that's a little more helpful. Since he noted he was new, by telling
him to 'test a proto', he wasn't even sure you meant the barrel or the
marker. I do agree Matrixes are good guns, but now Dye's milking the
reputation by putting out more than one type--which until now was all
you needed, and modded if you *needed* it to work different for you.

And no, I won't say markers don't help. The 'perfect' marker will set
the game to rely *solely* on it's holders skills, and not have to
compensate for any bad points--on the other hand, skill is still the
largest part of the play, whether you like it or not. The Tippman
players just need to deal with a heavier, bulkier marker and, in my
opinion, part of their 'bad game' is that it's harder to get a Tippman
to ramp, and they seem to be on the bottom of the cheater's list. I
won't say they don't, just that they 1) don't cheat as often and/or 2)
are so good at it that *I've* never seen one wipe, and they're dealing
with the bulkier markers.

Anyway, I'll state another point of mine again. At a recballer's level
and budget, there's not as much of a reliance on equipment. If you suck
holding an A5, you'll suck holding a Matrix. You won't suck any more
with a Talon, but it will severely limit your skill, and make your
sucking more *obvious*--after all, I play almost exclusively with my
Phantom lately, and hit just as many players with Intimidators as I do
M98's, proportionately speaking.

--
Please note that due to cuts in the budget, the light at the end of the
tunnel has been disconnected.
--Management

sorry MM, but that is like saying if you suck on that racecourse with
volksie,you will still suck with that Ferrari..gee all the tennis players
should just stay with that cheep-o and play just as good as the guys with
the 1500 racket...i really never knew that equip didn't do anything for the
player...if you suck...you suck. ;-)
"Matt Moriearty" <MathU41@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:b3M0f.166850$p_1.86316@tornado.tampabay.rr.co m...
> Tony Sr. wrote:
> > "still liked the feel of the A-5 but i was disappointed
> > by it too"
> > above spoken by unforgivin so tony sr responded in wise guy form
ahem...buy
> > one ! then went on to say try a proto then you will see...look tippman
may
> > be ok...flatline maybe 2...what i am saying to all the noobs is don't go
out
> > and through good money after bad money...also my choice would be the
> > proto...tippman effect who has the best guns tippman can make or trick
out
> > and they still suck...please don't tell me a gun doesn't help a lot
because
> > the tippman players themselves are really good, but proto players seem
to
> > kick tippmans butt regular...sorry ,plain and simple ;-)
>
> See, that's a little more helpful. Since he noted he was new, by telling
> him to 'test a proto', he wasn't even sure you meant the barrel or the
> marker. I do agree Matrixes are good guns, but now Dye's milking the
> reputation by putting out more than one type--which until now was all
> you needed, and modded if you *needed* it to work different for you.
>
> And no, I won't say markers don't help. The 'perfect' marker will set
> the game to rely *solely* on it's holders skills, and not have to
> compensate for any bad points--on the other hand, skill is still the
> largest part of the play, whether you like it or not. The Tippman
> players just need to deal with a heavier, bulkier marker and, in my
> opinion, part of their 'bad game' is that it's harder to get a Tippman
> to ramp, and they seem to be on the bottom of the cheater's list. I
> won't say they don't, just that they 1) don't cheat as often and/or 2)
> are so good at it that *I've* never seen one wipe, and they're dealing
> with the bulkier markers.
>
> Anyway, I'll state another point of mine again. At a recballer's level
> and budget, there's not as much of a reliance on equipment. If you suck
> holding an A5, you'll suck holding a Matrix. You won't suck any more
> with a Talon, but it will severely limit your skill, and make your
> sucking more *obvious*--after all, I play almost exclusively with my
> Phantom lately, and hit just as many players with Intimidators as I do
> M98's, proportionately speaking.
>
> --
> Please note that due to cuts in the budget, the light at the end of the
> tunnel has been disconnected.
> --Management

"Tony Sr." <amargio1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ahM0f.2535$gj1.1515@fed1read05...
> sorry MM, but that is like saying if you suck on that racecourse with
> volksie,you will still suck with that Ferrari..gee all the tennis players
> should just stay with that cheep-o and play just as good as the guys with
> the 1500 racket...i really never knew that equip didn't do anything for
the
> player...if you suck...you suck. ;-)
> "Matt Moriearty" <MathU41@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:b3M0f.166850$p_1.86316@tornado.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > Tony Sr. wrote:
> > > "still liked the feel of the A-5 but i was disappointed
> > > by it too"
> > > above spoken by unforgivin so tony sr responded in wise guy form
> ahem...buy
> > > one ! then went on to say try a proto then you will see...look tippman
> may
> > > be ok...flatline maybe 2...what i am saying to all the noobs is don't
go
> out
> > > and through good money after bad money...also my choice would be the
> > > proto...tippman effect who has the best guns tippman can make or trick
> out
> > > and they still suck...please don't tell me a gun doesn't help a lot
> because
> > > the tippman players themselves are really good, but proto players seem
> to
> > > kick tippmans butt regular...sorry ,plain and simple ;-)
> >
> > See, that's a little more helpful. Since he noted he was new, by telling
> > him to 'test a proto', he wasn't even sure you meant the barrel or the
> > marker. I do agree Matrixes are good guns, but now Dye's milking the
> > reputation by putting out more than one type--which until now was all
> > you needed, and modded if you *needed* it to work different for you.
> >
> > And no, I won't say markers don't help. The 'perfect' marker will set
> > the game to rely *solely* on it's holders skills, and not have to
> > compensate for any bad points--on the other hand, skill is still the
> > largest part of the play, whether you like it or not. The Tippman
> > players just need to deal with a heavier, bulkier marker and, in my
> > opinion, part of their 'bad game' is that it's harder to get a Tippman
> > to ramp, and they seem to be on the bottom of the cheater's list. I
> > won't say they don't, just that they 1) don't cheat as often and/or 2)
> > are so good at it that *I've* never seen one wipe, and they're dealing
> > with the bulkier markers.
> >
> > Anyway, I'll state another point of mine again. At a recballer's level
> > and budget, there's not as much of a reliance on equipment. If you suck
> > holding an A5, you'll suck holding a Matrix. You won't suck any more
> > with a Talon, but it will severely limit your skill, and make your
> > sucking more *obvious*--after all, I play almost exclusively with my
> > Phantom lately, and hit just as many players with Intimidators as I do
> > M98's, proportionately speaking.
> >
> > --
> > Please note that due to cuts in the budget, the light at the end of the
> > tunnel has been disconnected.
> > --Management
>
>