There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Your cites clearly have an
agenda to push.

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right


"Phelps" <phelps@donotremove.net> wrote in message
newshelps-10A2B9.18110013102005@news-ia.supernews.net...
> In article <BqidnesqJenbftPeRVn-jQ@comcast.com>,
> "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > I won't engage you in this except to say that statistics are NOT on your
> > side, that you are, in fact, wrong. The crime stats of florida and
texas do
> > NOT bear out your conclusion.
>
> Okay, I won't engage you except to show that you are wrong.
>
> http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgcon.html
> http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=60
> http://www.beast-enterprises.com/ccw.html
> http://www.gunowners.org/sk0104.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/guns/gunslott.html
>
> Excerpt from the conclusion of the last one:
>
> "Allowing citizens without criminal records or histories of significant
> mental illness to carry concealed handguns deters violent crimes and
> appears to produce an extremely small and statistically insignificant
> change in accidental deaths. If the rest country had adopted
> right-to-carry concealed handgun provisions in 1992, at least 1,570
> murders and over 4,177 rapes would have been avoided. On the other hand,
> consistent with the notion that criminals respond to incentives, county
> level data provides evidence that concealed handgun laws are associated
> with increases in property crimes involving stealth and where the
> probability of contact between the criminal and the victim are minimal.
> The largest population counties where the deterrence effect on violent
> crimes is the greatest is also where the substitution effect into these
> property crimes is the highest. The estimated annual gain in 1992 from
> allowing concealed handguns was over $6.21 billion."
>
> --
> Phelps
> <http://www.donotremove.net>

Hardtime wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 04:59:09 GMT, Sergeant Tibbs
> <gsapraemty@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Hardtime wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:06:32 -0400, Nightkast
>>><Nightkast.1wv195@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>this is a warning: please edit ur title
>>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>You cannot admin/moderate a Newsgroup/Usenet either they are 100%
>>>Public. They have been around openly since the late '70s.
>>
>>Then how on earth is alt.religion.wicca.moderated (and others)
>>moderated? Except by faking approval headers, posts don't get in
>>without going through their modbot.
>>
>
> Good possibility is that the original creator and holder of the group
> is still around and looking.
>
> Most newsgroups are in open limbo (held from server to server, no
> particular one) and straight up public use.
>
>
> Hardtime
>
> http://geocities.com/arcticjohn88/arcticjohn88

So... they're not 100% public.

Sergeant Tibbs

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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 06:13:49 -0400, "Jeff Goslin"
<autockr@comcast.net> wrote:

>There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Your cites clearly have an
>agenda to push.

That is exactly what I was thinking on this one!


Hardtime

http://geocities.com/arcticjohn88/arcticjohn88

You might want to check into the general history of Newsgroups and
Usenet's. There are very few actually moderated newsgroups as I have
stated before. They eventually all become unmoderated after a short
period of time unless the moderators are actually paid :-) as it is
very time consuming. If they do not they have little traffic and are
eventually killed by servers not carrying them.

Below is a good overall page to reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet#...ted_newsgroups

History in one page:
http://www.usenet.com/articles/history_of_usenet.htm
http://danenet.wicip.org/bcp/history_of_usenet.html


On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:50:35 GMT, Sergeant Tibbs
<gsapraemty@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


>So... they're not 100% public.
>
>Sergeant Tibbs

Yes they are as anyone can pull it and look at it.

Unlike forums a lot of them you have to actually be logged into their
site to view.


Hardtime

http://geocities.com/arcticjohn88/arcticjohn88

thats very true

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i think that is so stupid is just a paintball gun alot of hurt that can do to someone