so when did you get out ? hehe ;-)
"LCT Paintball" <nospampleasemnotlyon@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:4uYWe.335699$x96.181239@attbi_s72...
>
> > The character of the soldier is being touted by people is the be all and
> > end
> > all of character, the only point I was making was that soldiers have the
> > same flaws as everyone else. I wasn't making desparaging remarks about
> > soldiers' character. So lern tu reed.
>
> When I was of the age that the military looked interesting, the character
of
> the people entering the military was sub-par.
> Only the misfits and trouble makers were joining at that time.
>
>

I actually had 1 in my team that was a Military or Jail. He was a
pretty good Joe though and could definitely be counted upon in a
pinch.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:36:00 GMT, "LCT Paintball"
<nospampleasemnotlyon@mchsi.com> wrote:

>
>> The character of the soldier is being touted by people is the be all and
>> end
>> all of character, the only point I was making was that soldiers have the
>> same flaws as everyone else. I wasn't making desparaging remarks about
>> soldiers' character. So lern tu reed.
>
>When I was of the age that the military looked interesting, the character of
>the people entering the military was sub-par.
>Only the misfits and trouble makers were joining at that time.
>


Hardtime

http://geocities.com/arcticjohn88/arcticjohn88

> Yes, we're not talking Civil War here. lol

"Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
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>
> For once I am totally with you on something Tony. People can say what
> they
> want but youth of today just don't have the same standards of yesterday.
> There is no respect for authority, no commitment to a job, and barely
> respect for their parents or elders. Not in daily society, that's for
> sure.

What I like about young people is they provide us older folks with
guaranteed lifetime employment. Most of them can't answer a telephone
properly because they've never been taught to, they show up for job
interviews with their iPod headphones around their neck, they can't make
change from a dollar without a calculator -- and on and on, I love 'em, they
make us old farts look like champions. ;-)

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:34:37 GMT, "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com>
wrote:

>Oh, and the only thing they get from the Navy is a paycheck (since much to
>their chagrin, they ARE a dept. of the Navy) and transportation. Otherwise,
>they do their own cooking, have their own supply line. Food preparation
>shipboard is supplied, but I'd call that fair since the Jarheads provide all
>shipboard security. Navy guys and small arms don't mix all that well.

Absolutely correct Navy Guys and small arms do not mix. I know that
first hand. LOL
Marines normally have a small detachment onboard most large vessels
for the security force.

>Oh, and just in case you were thinking the term "Jar Head" comes from some
>misguided idea that upon enlistment their brains are placed in jars, you are
>mistaken.
>
I was going on past first hand experiences as well as the ongoing
rivalry between the Army and Marines.


Hardtime

http://geocities.com/arcticjohn88/arcticjohn88

I am telling my doctors tomorrow that DG and TOM and me are on the same
tract and is that ok for me to do...i may have to post again hehehaha ;-)
"DGDevin" <dgdevin@worldnet.att.invalid> wrote in message
news:IDmXe.272162$5N3.113216@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> news:HpgWe.22932$uD6.17618@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com. ..
> >
> > For once I am totally with you on something Tony. People can say what
> > they
> > want but youth of today just don't have the same standards of yesterday.
> > There is no respect for authority, no commitment to a job, and barely
> > respect for their parents or elders. Not in daily society, that's for
> > sure.
>
> What I like about young people is they provide us older folks with
> guaranteed lifetime employment. Most of them can't answer a telephone
> properly because they've never been taught to, they show up for job
> interviews with their iPod headphones around their neck, they can't make
> change from a dollar without a calculator -- and on and on, I love 'em,
they
> make us old farts look like champions. ;-)
>
>

*And Satan bitches as he laces up his blades*


"Tony Sr." <amargio1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:XEnXe.11385$GQ4.1447@fed1read05...
> I am telling my doctors tomorrow that DG and TOM and me are on the same
> tract and is that ok for me to do...i may have to post again hehehaha ;-)

It would seem that there is a lack of information. troops these days
specifically ones deployed to iraq do contain booth the best and the
normal, but if you haven't served or served in combat do not down talk
the charachter of a soldier.. alchohol abuse substance abuse, yes
these things happen upon return from a deployment, not everyones brain
is hardwire for things like meeting a successfull suicide bomber legs
arms and all the other peices. and not everyone can handle waking up to
the news that johnnys return home barbecue is cancelled because he's
dead. but those who have served in actual combat can be depended on
when a job needs to get done.

stay in your scope if your not a soldier and haven't been there YOU
DON'T KNOW.

JD

Tony Sr. wrote:
> John my post was about today's people, that includes today's army navy etc.
> don't make something big outta this as the truth is the truth.....like it or
> not...sorry ;-)our children are the first generation in HISTORY that also
> tells the parent what to DO !! nice very nice...not me cause I would still
> kick them in the seat of pants. hehehaha Just look around you and you will
> see that. re-read what i sent as an OT and address that just for the heck of
> it....
> ps tomorrow my son Marcello plays at the tourny here in san diego...div111
> x-ball...they are the best in the division...team name san diego
> aftermath....play paintball and have fun...Jeff BTW is quite a person who
> can easily be a debate captain , not to say you can't but Jeff is also good
> honest person who I have proof of what i say. take it easy John and to your
> whole family god bless.
> "John J." <detectorist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MvuWe.85440$xl6.27468@tornado.tampabay.rr.com ...
>
>>Your assumption that I have a superiority complex is so far off base, it's
>>silly. I was clearly talking about today's military youngsters, not
>
> myself.
>
>>I'm 53.
>>
>>Having had a much wider experience than you with military folks I can
>>categorically state that I would hire a recently and honorably discharged
>>veteran than almost anyone else, given similar qualifications. If you had
>>been in the military you would know why.
>>
>>I have misplaced a survey done a few years back, regarding this same
>
> issue.
>
>>It was a series of questions asked from managers and human resources
>>professionals. Something like 85% said that Vets make better employees.
>>
>>Maybe in your industry you don't see it, but Vets know what hard work is.
>>
>>Have a good day!
>>
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>>P.S.
>>
>>Your web site was down a while ago.
>>
>>"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:OtKdnYk0LKsw9bfeRVn-1A@comcast.com...
>>
>>>"John J." <detectorist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:jZsWe.85436$xl6.3794@tornado.tampabay.rr.c om...
>>>
>>>>Having worked extensively with troops, I can, without a doubt, state
>
> that
>
>>>>yes, as a groop, soldiers have more character, dicipline, dedication,
>
> and
>
>>>>maturity than the average guy on the street. I'm talking about the male
>>>>troops.
>>>
>>>A recent argument had over the character of soldiers leaves little doubt
>>>that they are, as a group, subject to the same failings as any other
>>>sector
>>>of the public. Most specifically, their rates of abuse, alcohol,
>
> spousal,
>
>>>and child abuse, are all in line with norms for the population as a
>
> whole.
>
>>>While I only have seen evidence of those particular things, I would
>>>imagine
>>>that soldiers, as a group, are not terribly different, character wise,
>
> in
>
>>>any other respect, from the general population.
>>>
>>>
>>>>They have to be High School graduates. they can't have any felonies or
>>>>serious misdemenors on their records. Look at the difference between
>
> them
>
>>>>today and the VietNam era draftee.
>>>>
>>>>Any employer worth their salt knows this, Mr. MCSD.
>>>
>>>That a person has no criminal record is no indication of their
>
> character.
>
>>>Anyone with a BRAIN knows this, Mr. NotAnMCSD. To say otherwise would
>
> be
>
>>>to
>>>think that a person without a criminal record is nothing less than a
>>>saint.
>>>I can only assume that YOU have some skeletons in your closet that you
>>>aren't proud of, regardless of whether or not you have a criminal
>
> record.
>
>>>It sounds to me like you're buying, hook line and sinker, the line being
>>>touted by the marketing staff in charge of the armed forces public
>
> service
>
>>>messages. It also sounds like you actually joined the military, and
>
> this
>
>>>is
>>>where the belief was reinforced.
>>>
>>>
>>>>After going through basic, advanced, and all the other stuff they go
>>>>through, most any civilian job is easy.
>>>
>>>Ah, there it is! The "I was in the military so I'm better than a
>
> civvie"
>
>>>superiority complex. I was wondering when that would show up.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Have you even been in the military yourself?
>>>
>>>Nope. I've known enough military people to know that while what you are
>>>saying is generally accepted as the truth, simple examination of facts
>
> can
>
>>>easily show this perception to be nothing more than marketing hype.
>
> Feel
>
>>>free to examine the statistics yourself. DOJ keeps pretty decent
>
> military
>
>>>crime statistics, and they compare, population wise, to the general
>>>population, across the board.
>>>
>>>I can say this much, I've met all types of military people in my
>
> lifetime.
>
>>>And, true to form, the people I meet follow the general population
>
> trends
>
>>>almost to the letter. In general, at any given time, in any given
>>>population, you'll find about 80% of them would be considered "by the
>>>book"
>>>law abiding, generally decent people. The other 20% tend to be "screwed
>>>up
>>>in some way", a variety of ways, but summed up with simply "messed up".
>>>
>>>In the military, this tends to manifest itself in one of two ways. On
>
> the
>
>>>one hand, the good ones are shaped by the training. It turns them from
>
> an
>
>>>average joe into a solid, responsible, respectable soldier, like you
>>>describe above. On the OTHER hand, the bad ones are deformed by the
>>>training. They drink too much, they get loud, obnoxious, they beat
>
> their
>
>>>wives, abuse their children, in that obscenely military way that
>
> involves
>
>>>a
>>>HUGE superiority complex, as you displayed above. When that superiority
>>>complex is used correctly, it can instill respect and command authority,
>>>it's intended purpose. When used in the negative way, it leads to
>>>violence,
>>>anger, and retribution, often on those least able to fend it off.
>>>
>>>Make no mistake about it, two of my very best friends are ex-military,
>
> and
>
>>>both were "shaped", not "deformed" by their training. I have great
>>>respect
>>>for THEM, because of who they are. I do NOT have great respect for
>>>"military folks" just because they were in the military. A person has
>
> to
>
>>>EARN respect, it is never just "given" because of their status or
>>>occupation.
>>>
>>>I'll note for the record that I am NOT saying military folks are bad,
>
> per
>
>>>se, just that they are human beings, subject to the same problems we all
>>>have. As such, it's EXTREMELY unfair to make comparison to "kids in
>
> Iraq"
>
>>>when talking about kids in general, holding them up as the shining
>
> beacon
>
>>>that is what represents the youth of today. They are no better or worse
>>>than any other kid.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
>>>It's not a god complex when you're always right
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>