Yup, Tippmann was another suggestion due to their robustness. One thing
that has me a bit iffy on them is the cost of upgrades/aftermarket parts
for them.

Just a question for anyone who knows about the O2s, in their manual
(found on their website) they state that if you are going to run CO2,
you *must* have a anti-syphon tube, or else you run the risk of damaging
the marker if liquid CO2 gets fed into it. However, on their site they
have a vid clip of firing straight liquid CO2 through the marker for
>20,000 (or there-abouts) shots, without damage. Basically I am a
little confused. One one hand they say that liquid CO2 will cause damage
(and void warranty), and on the other hand they say that it will take it
and keep on going. Hmmmz...

It's a bit of a shame this sport is not popular enough in my area for
other people to want their own marker. Makes it a bit hard to try out
anything other than the markers at the field (straight 98's I think they
are)

Another thing that I am finding difficult with regards to information,
is that a number of people suggest markers because that's what they
have. It is all a learning experience though :P

Decisions decisions...


Stanley(NcicHit)Johnson wrote:
> Spyders are easy to take apart and clean if you haven't done that before.
> They are not a bad marker to start with. Tippmann's are the work horses of
> paintball guns but they are a little harder to take apart and clean. A
> Tippmann Custom 98 wouldn't be a bad marker to start off with and you can
> upgrade it later. Good luck.

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 08:47:19 GMT, Guppzor <guppzor@nospam.com> wrote:

>Yup, Tippmann was another suggestion due to their robustness. One thing
>that has me a bit iffy on them is the cost of upgrades/aftermarket parts
>for them.
>
>Just a question for anyone who knows about the O2s, in their manual
>(found on their website) they state that if you are going to run CO2,
>you *must* have a anti-syphon tube, or else you run the risk of damaging
>the marker if liquid CO2 gets fed into it. However, on their site they
>have a vid clip of firing straight liquid CO2 through the marker for
> >20,000 (or there-abouts) shots, without damage. Basically I am a
>little confused. One one hand they say that liquid CO2 will cause damage
>(and void warranty), and on the other hand they say that it will take it
>and keep on going. Hmmmz...
>
>It's a bit of a shame this sport is not popular enough in my area for
>other people to want their own marker. Makes it a bit hard to try out
>anything other than the markers at the field (straight 98's I think they
>are)
>
I don't know, but with CO2 if you point your marker at the ground or
anything lower than horizontal and fire it you stand a pretty good
chance of getting liquid CO2 into your marker. If you can sustain a
high ROF (Rate Of Fire) you will more than likely get CO2 liquid in
your marker sooner or later. Tippmann does not void your warranty
because of this. They just advise that liquid CO2 will cause most
O-Rings to break down very rapidly and as with most things that have
liquid or air going through them and their moving parts your marker
has several have O-Rings.

Remember kids will sit there and have competitions to see who can fire
their's the fastest and they will point their markers at the ground or
not think about what they are doing (Nah, Kids always use their
heads??) No, this does not pertain to one's age either.

My kid had a valve go bad and Tippmann replaced it free of charge.
Yes I have kids/teenagers so I went to the local marine shop and
purchased some special O-Rings that are very resilient to most
chemicals (oils & solvents). I have not replaced an internal O-ring
in over a year and we play regularly. We play at least once a month
at a pay field. This does not include the private fields or yards (I
live in the country).

I do like a few other markers that I have tried but I can't see
spending the money on them when I can put it towards a good game of
paintball.

As far as the Upgrades to a Tippmann being expensive, well the
upgrades (cosmetic) are basically for personal preference only as the
marker will always work.

> Just a question for anyone who knows about the O2s, in their manual (found
> on their website) they state that if you are going to run CO2, you *must*
> have a anti-syphon tube, or else you run the risk of damaging the marker
> if liquid CO2 gets fed into it. However, on their site they have a vid
> clip of firing straight liquid CO2 through the marker for
> >20,000 (or there-abouts) shots, without damage. Basically I am a
> little confused. One one hand they say that liquid CO2 will cause damage
> (and void warranty), and on the other hand they say that it will take it
> and keep on going. Hmmmz...


I wouldn't worry too much about C02 in a Tippmann. You won't hurt it. CO2 is
a performance issue, but won't hurt a Tippmann.

"Guppzor" <guppzor@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:6sYHe.70330$oJ.36390@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

> This question has probably been done to death, and for that I apologise.
>
> Basically I am looking into purchasing my first marker in the near future.
> I have contacted a company that sells them in Australia, and they have
> suggested either a Spyder (perhaps an Imagine 04?) or a Dragun (or is it
> Odyssey?) O2. Basically I was just wondering if someone could offer me
> their opinion or advice on the above markers, or any other markers that
> might be more suited.

Go with the Spyder, getting the Dragun repaired will be a pain.

Tippmanns are also outstanding.

I would suggest either a tippman or a spyder. Both are good dependable
markers. I currently own a 98c, an A-5, 2 Imagines and the new Electra ACS
05. Mind you I'm no expert as I've only been playing for about a year and
only this spring have I become very active playing nearly every weekend. I,
my wife and our 2 sons all play. A lot of which I'd recomend depends on what
you what from your marker. I've never had any problems with any of my
markers, and mind you I have 2 teenages sons useing them also. All 5 of
these things take a continual beating. We only play woodsball at my inlaws.
More Tippmans there. One of the only drawbacks to the spyders I own is they
all have electronic triggers(you can buy a mechanical spyder
also).....battery required. One of the first times I was playing my battery
went dead in the middle of a firefight and there i sat with a useless hunk
of aluminum....not good.....I now have back-up. Keep in mind a regular 9v
won't work. As stated before Tippmans are a very solid workhorse of a
gun...many upgrades, even if they are a bit pricey. The spyders come well
equipted and are dependable.
"Guppzor" <guppzor@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:6sYHe.70330$oJ.36390@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> This question has probably been done to death, and for that I apologise.
>
> Basically I am looking into purchasing my first marker in the near future.
> I have contacted a company that sells them in Australia, and they have
> suggested either a Spyder (perhaps an Imagine 04?) or a Dragun (or is it
> Odyssey?) O2. Basically I was just wondering if someone could offer me
> their opinion or advice on the above markers, or any other markers that
> might be more suited.
>
> At the current point in time, I will be playing rec only (local field does
> not run comps ) so I really don't need anything too wonderful (besides,
> I don't have the cash for a top of the line marker :P), but having said
> that, I would like my first marker to be one that is going to do the job.
>
> Anyway, if anyone could offer some thoughts or advice, it would be much
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Gup

The CO2 issue was for the Odyssey O2's. Sorry if I confused you. I have
since found out that there some plastic tubing which may burst if liquid
CO2 reached there and expanded. Seems a bit silly to make them that way,
but what do I know :P

LCT Paintball wrote:

> I wouldn't worry too much about C02 in a Tippmann. You won't hurt it. CO2 is
> a performance issue, but won't hurt a Tippmann.
>
>

Thats for the replies so far. And apologies for not replying sooner
myself. I have basically been reading as much as possible on the
different markers to try and get some idea of what might be suited to
me. I am kind of leaning towards a Spyder (either the Imagine 04 or a
mechanical Spyder). I just have to figure out what kind of upgrades I am
going to need to get a marker that is going to be reliable, as accurate
as it can be, etc.

Guppzor wrote:
> Thats for the replies so far. And apologies for not replying sooner
> myself. I have basically been reading as much as possible on the
> different markers to try and get some idea of what might be suited to
> me. I am kind of leaning towards a Spyder (either the Imagine 04 or a
> mechanical Spyder). I just have to figure out what kind of upgrades I am
> going to need to get a marker that is going to be reliable, as accurate
> as it can be, etc.

Tip: if you're including upgrades in the beginning price, just save up
for a better marker. Spyders are as single-shot accurate as anything,
but nothing short of completely changing the internals will keep them
from kicking. Tippmans have the same deal, but if you're not playing
speedball you can control it a bit with a stock.
Tip: if you plan on playing more than a few times, include a barrel
with your budget.
Tip: Tippmans are near impossible to break. Spyders are reliable
assuming you don't tinker much. And amazingly easy to fix when they do
go down. If you want something that doesn't kick but that you may ave to
put a little more effort into keeping working, save up for an Io--errr,
BKO. Or a 'cocker, but I wouldn't suggest that for a first marker. Or if
you want to go really exotic they barely recoil, and I've never seen a
Nova go down. But I've also only seen two in my life. Pretty anodizing,
though.