(Justin <justin@champion.fsbusiness.co.uk> uttered
> Hello can anyone tell me what size of gas bottle and type would be
> suitable for the Smart parts ION marker.

Size depends more on how much you shoot than what marker you shoot.
How much paint do you want to be able to throw between refills?




Rick
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I was assuming about 500-1000 balls. Also what is the difference betwene
the co2 and air cylinders in terms of performance.


Justin.

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"Rick Scott" <rick@shadowspar.dyndns.org> wrote in message
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> (Justin <justin@champion.fsbusiness.co.uk> uttered
> > Hello can anyone tell me what size of gas bottle and type would be
> > suitable for the Smart parts ION marker.
>
> Size depends more on how much you shoot than what marker you shoot.
> How much paint do you want to be able to throw between refills?
>
>
>
>
> Rick
> --
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> Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful.
> :Friedrich Nietzsche

do u have any places that fill hpa near your house, or do u always play
at the field?

Does the field have hpa, if yes

3000psi or 4500??

if they fill 4500psi, go with a 68/4500

68*15=1020 shot per tank and you have a nice size that fits most of the
player.


or u can use 12g

Sorry about the rather strange questions but I wish to get the best
information before buying. Do most sites fill to 5000 Psi as this does seem
a lot to me. I am intending to use the gun in a woodland environment and
really I have no idea what the faculties the local paintball sites offer,
am located in Cheshire, UK.

Does anyone know of a website link I can read to get information on all
of this, I obviously need to do a lot more reading.

Thanks,,

Justin.

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<ugo_lavoie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> do u have any places that fill hpa near your house, or do u always play
> at the field?
>
> Does the field have hpa, if yes
>
> 3000psi or 4500??
>
> if they fill 4500psi, go with a 68/4500
>
> 68*15=1020 shot per tank and you have a nice size that fits most of the
> player.
>
>
> or u can use 12g
>

get the 68x4500 you never know what you may be playing a year from now and
need more air.sometimes we all make that mistake and under supply ourselves.
also if you ever wanted to sell your tank a 68x45 holds its value and is in
far more demand, it is a very popular size.
"Justin" <justin@champion.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote in message
news:d432q5$r26$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Sorry about the rather strange questions but I wish to get the best
> information before buying. Do most sites fill to 5000 Psi as this does
seem
> a lot to me. I am intending to use the gun in a woodland environment and
> really I have no idea what the faculties the local paintball sites offer,
> am located in Cheshire, UK.
>
> Does anyone know of a website link I can read to get information on
all
> of this, I obviously need to do a lot more reading.
>
> Thanks,,
>
> Justin.
>
> --
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> --------
> "There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes"
> Fourth Doctor Who(Tom Baker)
> Doctor Who Web Site www.doctorwho.hopto.org
>
>
> <ugo_lavoie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1113912946.056954.5120@z14g2000cwz.googlegrou ps.com...
> > do u have any places that fill hpa near your house, or do u always play
> > at the field?
> >
> > Does the field have hpa, if yes
> >
> > 3000psi or 4500??
> >
> > if they fill 4500psi, go with a 68/4500
> >
> > 68*15=1020 shot per tank and you have a nice size that fits most of the
> > player.
> >
> >
> > or u can use 12g
> >
>
>

-----Do most sites fill to 5000 Psi as this does seem
a lot to me. I am intending to use the gun in a woodland environment
and
really I have no idea what the faculties the local paintball sites
offer,
am located in Cheshire, UK. -----

call them you'll get your answer. o

here in canada, most field do 3000, but some have 4500. So you better
check the field you play.


and like tony said, 68/4500 hold its vale if you ever want to resell
it.

(Justin <justin@champion.fsbusiness.co.uk> uttered
> I was assuming about 500-1000 balls.

Ok. Well, here are a couple of options, along with a rough guess as
to how many shots you'll get out of each, and a very rough guess as to
what you might pay in the UK.

Compressed Air Tanks:

48ci/3000 psi ~480 shots ~65 quid
68ci/3000 psi ~680 shots ~80 quid
48ci/4500 psi ~720 shots ~135 quid
68ci/4500 psi ~1020 shots ~145 quid

Those numbers assume full fills. If you have a 4500 psi tank but can
only get it filled to 3000, you'll only get the 3000 psi figures in
terms of shot count. As you can see, the 4500 psi tanks are nice to
have, but command a higher price. 68ci tanks are physically larger
than 48ci tanks; unfortunately, I don't really have dimensions to give.
Better to scoot down to your local paintball shop, have a look at the
bottles, and get an idea for yourself.

88ci and 114ci tanks are also available, but they may start to get a
bit unwieldy -- I'm told the Ion is small and light, characteristics
that won't remain in evidence if you put a huge tank on it. Oh, one
last thing -- while some places in the UK state the tank volumes in
cubic inches, others state them in litres. 48ci =~ 0.8l; 68ci =~ 1.1l.


> Also what is the difference betwene the co2 and air cylinders in
> terms of performance.

Size: A CO2 tank tends to be smaller than a compressed air tank
which offers an equivalent amount of shots. CO2 is stored partially
as a dense liquid, and partially as gas (as opposed to the air which
is completely gaseous).

Output pressure consistency: The output pressure of a CO2 tank varies
with its temperature -- which is affected both by the ambient
temperature and the fact that the tanks tend to chill as you shoot
your marker. Compressed air tanks, on the other hand, are regulated
to a certain output pressure, and don't waver from it until they begin
to go empty; they're pretty much unaffected by temperature.
The output pressure of your gas supply affects the muzzle velocity of
your marker, which in turn affects its accuracy.

Cleanliness: CO2 tends to be a dirtier gas -- more bits of dust and
crud -- which can be problematic for precision markers with delicate
seals.

Going liquid: Under some circumstances, a CO2 tank can pass liquid
CO2 to the gun, which is *very* problematic for a gun that isn't set
up to tolerate it. (I liken it to putting jet fuel into a car --
the results might be good, or might be bad, but either way they are
going to be spectacular.)

Now, if I recall correctly, the Ion may work with a proper CO2 setup,
but for the sake of performance, longevity, and simplicity, you are
probably better off going with compressed air.


> Sorry about the rather strange questions but I wish to get the best
> information before buying.

Of course! I hope I'm not burying you under too much text --
I tend to the verbose.


> Do most sites fill to 5000 Psi as this does seem a lot to me. I am
> intending to use the gun in a woodland environment and really I have
> no idea what the faculties the local paintball sites offer,
> am located in Cheshire, UK.

Good question. Many places fill compressed air to 3000 psi, some to
4500. I'm not sure how common a site that fills to 5000 is. Some
places still only fill CO2 and don't have compressed air at all.
Best way to find out is to ring your local fields and ask.


> Does anyone know of a website link I can read to get information
> on all of this, I obviously need to do a lot more reading.

Hmmm. Here are a few pointers to get you started. I can't think of
a page off of the top of my head that directly addresses your questions
about air systems, but I seem to recall that Warpig has a lot of
background material.

http://www.warpig.com/

Also check out this newsgroup's FAQ:
http://www.warpig.com/paintball/newbie/rspfaq.shtml

....and for more general paintball information and pointers:
http://durtydan.paintballresource.org/
http://www.webdogradio.us/




Rick
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and cultures taught me that one will never be at peace with the other
if one is at war with oneself. :Tariq Ramadan

I also play in the uk and have found co2 to be a pain
1 have a 4500 68ci hpa tank much better than co2

at the end of the day its down to £ 25 for co2
0r more expense for hpa but if you like the game and consistency go for hpa

Andrew
"Rick Scott" <rick@shadowspar.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:469.4265f0b4.8b9eb@shadowspar...
> (Justin <justin@champion.fsbusiness.co.uk> uttered
>> I was assuming about 500-1000 balls.
>
> Ok. Well, here are a couple of options, along with a rough guess as
> to how many shots you'll get out of each, and a very rough guess as to
> what you might pay in the UK.
>
> Compressed Air Tanks:
>
> 48ci/3000 psi ~480 shots ~65 quid
> 68ci/3000 psi ~680 shots ~80 quid
> 48ci/4500 psi ~720 shots ~135 quid
> 68ci/4500 psi ~1020 shots ~145 quid
>
> Those numbers assume full fills. If you have a 4500 psi tank but can
> only get it filled to 3000, you'll only get the 3000 psi figures in
> terms of shot count. As you can see, the 4500 psi tanks are nice to
> have, but command a higher price. 68ci tanks are physically larger
> than 48ci tanks; unfortunately, I don't really have dimensions to give.
> Better to scoot down to your local paintball shop, have a look at the
> bottles, and get an idea for yourself.
>
> 88ci and 114ci tanks are also available, but they may start to get a
> bit unwieldy -- I'm told the Ion is small and light, characteristics
> that won't remain in evidence if you put a huge tank on it. Oh, one
> last thing -- while some places in the UK state the tank volumes in
> cubic inches, others state them in litres. 48ci =~ 0.8l; 68ci =~ 1.1l.
>
>
>> Also what is the difference betwene the co2 and air cylinders in
>> terms of performance.
>
> Size: A CO2 tank tends to be smaller than a compressed air tank
> which offers an equivalent amount of shots. CO2 is stored partially
> as a dense liquid, and partially as gas (as opposed to the air which
> is completely gaseous).
>
> Output pressure consistency: The output pressure of a CO2 tank varies
> with its temperature -- which is affected both by the ambient
> temperature and the fact that the tanks tend to chill as you shoot
> your marker. Compressed air tanks, on the other hand, are regulated
> to a certain output pressure, and don't waver from it until they begin
> to go empty; they're pretty much unaffected by temperature.
> The output pressure of your gas supply affects the muzzle velocity of
> your marker, which in turn affects its accuracy.
>
> Cleanliness: CO2 tends to be a dirtier gas -- more bits of dust and
> crud -- which can be problematic for precision markers with delicate
> seals.
>
> Going liquid: Under some circumstances, a CO2 tank can pass liquid
> CO2 to the gun, which is *very* problematic for a gun that isn't set
> up to tolerate it. (I liken it to putting jet fuel into a car --
> the results might be good, or might be bad, but either way they are
> going to be spectacular.)
>
> Now, if I recall correctly, the Ion may work with a proper CO2 setup,
> but for the sake of performance, longevity, and simplicity, you are
> probably better off going with compressed air.
>
>
>> Sorry about the rather strange questions but I wish to get the best
>> information before buying.
>
> Of course! I hope I'm not burying you under too much text --
> I tend to the verbose.
>
>
>> Do most sites fill to 5000 Psi as this does seem a lot to me. I am
>> intending to use the gun in a woodland environment and really I have
>> no idea what the faculties the local paintball sites offer,
>> am located in Cheshire, UK.
>
> Good question. Many places fill compressed air to 3000 psi, some to
> 4500. I'm not sure how common a site that fills to 5000 is. Some
> places still only fill CO2 and don't have compressed air at all.
> Best way to find out is to ring your local fields and ask.
>
>
>> Does anyone know of a website link I can read to get information
>> on all of this, I obviously need to do a lot more reading.
>
> Hmmm. Here are a few pointers to get you started. I can't think of
> a page off of the top of my head that directly addresses your questions
> about air systems, but I seem to recall that Warpig has a lot of
> background material.
>
> http://www.warpig.com/
>
> Also check out this newsgroup's FAQ:
> http://www.warpig.com/paintball/newbie/rspfaq.shtml
>
> ...and for more general paintball information and pointers:
> http://durtydan.paintballresource.org/
> http://www.webdogradio.us/
>
>
>
>
> Rick
> --
> key CF8F8A75 / print C5C1 F87D 5056 D2C0 D5CE D58F 970F 04D1 CF8F 8A75
> My experience of living with people of different religions, origins
> and cultures taught me that one will never be at peace with the other
> if one is at war with oneself. :Tariq Ramadan