DaCainster,

I'd really enjoy seeing the data on these supposed "deaths". I run
several paintball websites, own a field myself, and have been actively
playing the sport for 17 years now. I would have thought, being in the
industry myself, I would have heard of your supposed "14 deaths". Hell,
if nothing else, my insurance company would have made damn sure I would
have heard about 14 deaths a year, that I can promise you!

The last death directly related to the sport was caused by a
damaged/un-inspected CO2 tank breaking away from it's valve housing
while being unscrewed from a marker and hitting a mother in the head.
Yes I agree it was a tragedy, but not one to cause the outlaw of the
sport.

I guess, using your "logic" (and I hesitate to call it logic), deer
hunting should also be outlawed because of the deaths in Wisconsin. Or
maybe football, yeah I once heard a guy was paralyzed in a football
game, lets outlaw that too! (See where I'm going here?) I just
don't see where you're getting the "brutal and murderous sport"
comment about paintball from.

Either you had a bad experience with paintball (your got lit up in a
game, your car was shot at one night, etc...) or you're just
miserable person who knows nothing about the game and is only bent on
slandering a great sport. Either way, if you don't have factual,
provable data to support your claims, please, just be quite.

People are too quick to demonize anything and everything they don't
understand or enjoy. Why don't you actually learn something about the
sport, have some real statistics, and then come back and we'll
discuss it.

Mike Passino
Paintball_Chi
Scenario Team Slightly Moving Targets
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BUFpaintball/
Bounty Hunter's Paintball Productions
http://www.bountyhunterspaintball.com
Proud Member of Team Tacticalmarkers.com

DaCainster wrote:
> Paintbal kills an average of 14 people per year. Somebody should
> start a campaign in Congress to OUTLAW or COMPLETELY BAN
> this brutal and murderous sport. Fourteen people would be alive
today
> if not for paintball!!! Fourteen lives lost!

<paintball_chi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> DaCainster,
>
> I'd really enjoy seeing the data on these supposed "deaths".

You are responding to a troll, a loser with nothing better to do than try to
stir up anger in people online.

OMG!!! This guy can't be serious. To date, paintball is rated as one
of the safest sports out there. I can't believe he is say this. Its
like saying, stupidity kills millions of people a year. Some one
should propose to ban stupidity from people (which is not a bad idea,
because it would stop people like this guy from making stupid posts
such as this one) I bet he has never even played paintball.

OMG!!! This guy can't be serious. To date, paintball is rated as one
of the safest sports out there. I can't believe he is say this. Its
like saying, stupidity kills millions of people a year. Some one
should propose to ban stupidity from people (which is not a bad idea,
because it would stop people like this guy from making stupid posts
such as this one) I bet he has never even played paintball.

ya he has serious problems..
the deaths due to CO2 tanks was here in WA.. i can't speak for all but
everyone around here has there own fill station and field in there
backyard..

And thanks to Tippmann for not using Locktight on there tanks.. I have
personally seen many tanks that have came into my store that are unsafe to
fill due to many reasons big chunks missing, old valves they look like the
valve is out of your tire.. valves that are half on.. i have about 200 tanks
that i kept that are not safe..



--
Jess Carroll
Splat Zone Paintball
http://splatzone.net

<paintball_chi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1102444650.714666.219340@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> DaCainster,
>
> I'd really enjoy seeing the data on these supposed "deaths". I run
> several paintball websites, own a field myself, and have been actively
> playing the sport for 17 years now. I would have thought, being in the
> industry myself, I would have heard of your supposed "14 deaths". Hell,
> if nothing else, my insurance company would have made damn sure I would
> have heard about 14 deaths a year, that I can promise you!
>
> The last death directly related to the sport was caused by a
> damaged/un-inspected CO2 tank breaking away from it's valve housing
> while being unscrewed from a marker and hitting a mother in the head.
> Yes I agree it was a tragedy, but not one to cause the outlaw of the
> sport.
>
> I guess, using your "logic" (and I hesitate to call it logic), deer
> hunting should also be outlawed because of the deaths in Wisconsin. Or
> maybe football, yeah I once heard a guy was paralyzed in a football
> game, lets outlaw that too! (See where I'm going here?) I just
> don't see where you're getting the "brutal and murderous sport"
> comment about paintball from.
>
> Either you had a bad experience with paintball (your got lit up in a
> game, your car was shot at one night, etc...) or you're just
> miserable person who knows nothing about the game and is only bent on
> slandering a great sport. Either way, if you don't have factual,
> provable data to support your claims, please, just be quite.
>
> People are too quick to demonize anything and everything they don't
> understand or enjoy. Why don't you actually learn something about the
> sport, have some real statistics, and then come back and we'll
> discuss it.
>
> Mike Passino
> Paintball_Chi
> Scenario Team Slightly Moving Targets
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BUFpaintball/
> Bounty Hunter's Paintball Productions
> http://www.bountyhunterspaintball.com
> Proud Member of Team Tacticalmarkers.com
>
> DaCainster wrote:
>> Paintbal kills an average of 14 people per year. Somebody should
>> start a campaign in Congress to OUTLAW or COMPLETELY BAN
>> this brutal and murderous sport. Fourteen people would be alive
> today
>> if not for paintball!!! Fourteen lives lost!
>

"Jess Carroll" <jess@splatzone.net> wrote in message
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> And thanks to Tippmann for not using Locktight on there tanks.. I have
> personally seen many tanks that have came into my store that are unsafe to
> fill due to many reasons big chunks missing, old valves they look like the
> valve is out of your tire.. valves that are half on.. i have about 200
> tanks that i kept that are not safe..

Where did you get the idea that Tippmann doesn't use Loctite when installing
valves on tanks? Neither of the tanks involved in the two recent fatalities
came from Tippmann BTW. Oh, and while you are at it, maybe you could tell
us what kind of Loctite *should* used be when installing valves and also how
many ft-lbs of torque.

"Big chunks missing," from where? The flange that holds the o-ring in
place? How does that make the tank unsafe?

How is a Schrader valve less safe than a pin valve? Millions of automobile
tires roll past you with such valves in them all the time. I have a couple
of CO2 tanks with Schrader valves I've been using for over ten years, I'd be
interested in knowing exactly why they are less safe.

You *bought* 200 tanks from customers because you decided they weren't safe?
Dang, that must have been expensive.

i've got allot of tanks from Tippmann all come off very easy.. i;ve had PMI
tanks also that way..

i don't replace the valves i send them to another shop he puts them on for
free.. for me.. don't want to mess with them..

as in chunks messing from the alum it's self.. sides or bottom..

truely i have no clue.. how the schrader valves or less safe. i like them
better don't have the problems..

i emplyed a cert airsmith for while and he is the one that said all of these
tanks are bad.. and sold everyone a new tank.. well he no longer works for
me now.. he was nit picking every little tank..

all i know these use the red stuff..
how many ft lbs should it be? and what device do you recommand to tank off
the valves and stuff..

--
Jess Carroll
Splat Zone Paintball
http://splatzone.net

"DGDevin" <dgdevin@worldnet.att.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Jess Carroll" <jess@splatzone.net> wrote in message
> news:_Iotd.158$vX1.2850@news.uswest.net...
>
>> And thanks to Tippmann for not using Locktight on there tanks.. I have
>> personally seen many tanks that have came into my store that are unsafe
>> to fill due to many reasons big chunks missing, old valves they look like
>> the valve is out of your tire.. valves that are half on.. i have about
>> 200 tanks that i kept that are not safe..
>
> Where did you get the idea that Tippmann doesn't use Loctite when
> installing valves on tanks? Neither of the tanks involved in the two
> recent fatalities came from Tippmann BTW. Oh, and while you are at it,
> maybe you could tell us what kind of Loctite *should* used be when
> installing valves and also how many ft-lbs of torque.
>
> "Big chunks missing," from where? The flange that holds the o-ring in
> place? How does that make the tank unsafe?
>
> How is a Schrader valve less safe than a pin valve? Millions of
> automobile tires roll past you with such valves in them all the time. I
> have a couple of CO2 tanks with Schrader valves I've been using for over
> ten years, I'd be interested in knowing exactly why they are less safe.
>
> You *bought* 200 tanks from customers because you decided they weren't
> safe? Dang, that must have been expensive.
>

been done 16 years ago newb
"Jess Carroll" <jess@splatzone.net> wrote in message
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> here is a tank for ya
>
> someone coverted a N2 tank to CO2
>
>
> --
> Jess Carroll
> Splat Zone Paintball
> http://splatzone.net
>
> "DGDevin" <dgdevin@worldnet.att.invalid> wrote in message
> news:u9wtd.101844$7i4.45071@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > "Jess Carroll" <jess@splatzone.net> wrote in message
> > news:_Iotd.158$vX1.2850@news.uswest.net...
> >
> >> And thanks to Tippmann for not using Locktight on there tanks.. I have
> >> personally seen many tanks that have came into my store that are unsafe
> >> to
> >> fill due to many reasons big chunks missing, old valves they look like
> >> the
> >> valve is out of your tire.. valves that are half on.. i have about 200
> >> tanks that i kept that are not safe..
> >
> > Where did you get the idea that Tippmann doesn't use Loctite when
> > installing
> > valves on tanks? Neither of the tanks involved in the two recent
> > fatalities
> > came from Tippmann BTW. Oh, and while you are at it, maybe you could
tell
> > us what kind of Loctite *should* used be when installing valves and also
> > how
> > many ft-lbs of torque.
> >
> > "Big chunks missing," from where? The flange that holds the o-ring in
> > place? How does that make the tank unsafe?
> >
> > How is a Schrader valve less safe than a pin valve? Millions of
> > automobile
> > tires roll past you with such valves in them all the time. I have a
couple
> > of CO2 tanks with Schrader valves I've been using for over ten years,
I'd
> > be
> > interested in knowing exactly why they are less safe.
> >
> > You *bought* 200 tanks from customers because you decided they weren't
> > safe?
> > Dang, that must have been expensive.
> >
> >
>
>
>

oh i know.. you just don't see them to often anymore

--
Jess Carroll
Splat Zone Paintball
http://splatzone.net

"Tony Sr." <amargio1@san.rr.com> wrote in message
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> been done 16 years ago newb
> "Jess Carroll" <jess@splatzone.net> wrote in message
> news:ilxtd.1155$vX1.6351@news.uswest.net...
>> here is a tank for ya
>>
>> someone coverted a N2 tank to CO2
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jess Carroll
>> Splat Zone Paintball
>> http://splatzone.net
>>
>> "DGDevin" <dgdevin@worldnet.att.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:u9wtd.101844$7i4.45071@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> > "Jess Carroll" <jess@splatzone.net> wrote in message
>> > news:_Iotd.158$vX1.2850@news.uswest.net...
>> >
>> >> And thanks to Tippmann for not using Locktight on there tanks.. I
>> >> have
>> >> personally seen many tanks that have came into my store that are
>> >> unsafe
>> >> to
>> >> fill due to many reasons big chunks missing, old valves they look like
>> >> the
>> >> valve is out of your tire.. valves that are half on.. i have about 200
>> >> tanks that i kept that are not safe..
>> >
>> > Where did you get the idea that Tippmann doesn't use Loctite when
>> > installing
>> > valves on tanks? Neither of the tanks involved in the two recent
>> > fatalities
>> > came from Tippmann BTW. Oh, and while you are at it, maybe you could
> tell
>> > us what kind of Loctite *should* used be when installing valves and
>> > also
>> > how
>> > many ft-lbs of torque.
>> >
>> > "Big chunks missing," from where? The flange that holds the o-ring in
>> > place? How does that make the tank unsafe?
>> >
>> > How is a Schrader valve less safe than a pin valve? Millions of
>> > automobile
>> > tires roll past you with such valves in them all the time. I have a
> couple
>> > of CO2 tanks with Schrader valves I've been using for over ten years,
> I'd
>> > be
>> > interested in knowing exactly why they are less safe.
>> >
>> > You *bought* 200 tanks from customers because you decided they weren't
>> > safe?
>> > Dang, that must have been expensive.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>

"DGDevin" <dgdevin@worldnet.att.invalid> wrote in message
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> How is a Schrader valve less safe than a pin valve? Millions of
automobile
> tires roll past you with such valves in them all the time. I have a couple
> of CO2 tanks with Schrader valves I've been using for over ten years, I'd
be
> interested in knowing exactly why they are less safe.
>
> You *bought* 200 tanks from customers because you decided they weren't
safe?
> Dang, that must have been expensive.
>
>


I'm guessing the reality of this situation is that every time he says "I
have" or "I bought" or "my store", what he is actually saying is "the store
I work at part time after school".