"Jess Carroll" <jess@splatzone.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks allot of people don't know that..
>
> i've seen many people with the freak kits and others have no clue what
they
> are doing.. and couldn't figure that out..
>
> also if you get paint to bore match you will be shooting Allot more
distance
> and accuracy and more FPS


Let me be the first to congratulate you for perpetuating the biggest
marketing hype and urban legend and stupid myth of modern paintball.

Distance is PURE ballistic physics. Certain paintball weight, certain
muzzle velocity, certain angle = certain distance. Take into consideration
wind velocity and air resistance on the paintball's surface and you can
calculate(to the micrometer) where a paintball is going to land when fired.

A paintball coming out the end of a barrel at X fps is not going to be
affected by barrel matching. If you're shooting at X fps, you're shooting
at X fps. Providing you're not firing a .5 inch ball out of a 2 inch
barrel, the difference of .0001 of an inch one way or the other is not going
to make a ball hair's bit of difference in the grand scheme. That is, of
course, providing you don't buy the bullshit that the people who make $200
barrel kits are trying to shovel at you.

Accuracy isn't even affected terribly much. Because the variances are
measured in thousandths of an inch(literal hairwidths, I might point out),
the end result of any inaccuracy that results of such a difference can only
be the distance they travel multiplied by a hairwidth, or, at max range(say
about 250 feet), the difference would be 250 times a hairwidth, or, less
than 1/4 of an inch. HUGE difference, eh? Christ, WIND variance has more
impact, usually in the 8 to 10 inches range. I bet you feel really good
about spending that money on your barrel kit now.

Bottom line, the paint to barrel matching bit is a HUGE marketing ploy to
sell you more barrels. Enjoy your freak kit.

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right

Just get a good barrel at 691-2 and don't worry about match paint and
barrel...dye ultralite comes to mind...
"Daniel Stocker" <x@x.x> wrote in message
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> How to detect a good paint to barrel match without having to shoot off a
> case and counting how many breaks?
> I've heard:
> Put the paintball in the barrel.
> Attempt to roll it down.
> If it rolls freely down the barrel under only gravity, the paint is too
> small/barrel is too big.
> Attempt to "blow" the paintball out with a single breath.
> If the paintball does not come out the other end (sticks at some point
down
> the barrel), then the paint is too big/barrel is too small.
> However, if the paintball can be blown out of the barrel with a breath, it
> is a decent match.
>
> Any further tips and/or opinions? Obviously there is a fair amount of
> variance between the strengths of peoples breaths, ease at which the
> paintball comes out (does it shoot straight out, or does it take all your
> breath just to force it to drop out the end) etc.
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel
>
>

"Tony Sr." <amargio1@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:KBSsd.2574$Ew6.2147@twister.socal.rr.com...

> Just get a good barrel at 691-2 and don't worry about match paint and
> barrel...dye ultralite comes to mind...

Unless you're shooting a closed-bolt gun in which case you better not mind
if you keep seeing the balls on the ground right in front of you because
they rolled out the barrel before you could shoot them.

"Daniel Stocker" <x@x.x> wrote in message
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> How to detect a good paint to barrel match without having to shoot off a
> case and counting how many breaks?

Although many people overstate the ball-to-barrel match thing and go too far
trying to achieve it -- the SP Freak Kit comes to mind -- I've found that a
tighter fit produces better accuracy while a looser fit reduces ball breaks
in the barrel. You can *see* the results as the chrono, as a tighter
ball-to-barrel match produces higher and more consistent velocities up to
the point where it becomes too tight and the velocities become inconsistent
again due to variations in the balls themselves. But I manage to get by
with a DYE Ti Boomstick most of the time, if the paint of the day is too
small I screw a LAPCO .683 breech adapter onto the barrel and voila, back in
business. This is on either an Autococker or a pump gun mind you, on many
other guns you can get by with a looser barrel, and the way many people play
these days accuracy isn't something they care much about anyway, so why they
bother with all the barrel kits I don't know.

actully yes paint to bore match makes a huge difference

anyone with a sizing barrel will tell you this. it that match it will fly
longer strighter and harder

--
Jess Carroll
Splat Zone Paintball
http://splatzone.net

"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:SoqdnQCMRIHrfi7cRVn-vA@comcast.com...
> "Jess Carroll" <jess@splatzone.net> wrote in message
> news:waRsd.57$vG1.6451@news.uswest.net...
>> Thanks allot of people don't know that..
>>
>> i've seen many people with the freak kits and others have no clue what
> they
>> are doing.. and couldn't figure that out..
>>
>> also if you get paint to bore match you will be shooting Allot more
> distance
>> and accuracy and more FPS
>
>
> Let me be the first to congratulate you for perpetuating the biggest
> marketing hype and urban legend and stupid myth of modern paintball.
>
> Distance is PURE ballistic physics. Certain paintball weight, certain
> muzzle velocity, certain angle = certain distance. Take into
> consideration
> wind velocity and air resistance on the paintball's surface and you can
> calculate(to the micrometer) where a paintball is going to land when
> fired.
>
> A paintball coming out the end of a barrel at X fps is not going to be
> affected by barrel matching. If you're shooting at X fps, you're shooting
> at X fps. Providing you're not firing a .5 inch ball out of a 2 inch
> barrel, the difference of .0001 of an inch one way or the other is not
> going
> to make a ball hair's bit of difference in the grand scheme. That is, of
> course, providing you don't buy the bullshit that the people who make $200
> barrel kits are trying to shovel at you.
>
> Accuracy isn't even affected terribly much. Because the variances are
> measured in thousandths of an inch(literal hairwidths, I might point out),
> the end result of any inaccuracy that results of such a difference can
> only
> be the distance they travel multiplied by a hairwidth, or, at max
> range(say
> about 250 feet), the difference would be 250 times a hairwidth, or, less
> than 1/4 of an inch. HUGE difference, eh? Christ, WIND variance has more
> impact, usually in the 8 to 10 inches range. I bet you feel really good
> about spending that money on your barrel kit now.
>
> Bottom line, the paint to barrel matching bit is a HUGE marketing ploy to
> sell you more barrels. Enjoy your freak kit.
>
> --
> Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
> It's not a god complex when you're always right
>
>
>

somehow Doug I knew you would respond.... ;-)
"DGDevin" <dgdevin@worldnet.att.invalid> wrote in message
news:lhTsd.1039542$Gx4.79585@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "Daniel Stocker" <x@x.x> wrote in message
> news:_TQsd.22737$9A.390308@news.xtra.co.nz...
>
> > How to detect a good paint to barrel match without having to shoot off a
> > case and counting how many breaks?
>
> Although many people overstate the ball-to-barrel match thing and go too
far
> trying to achieve it -- the SP Freak Kit comes to mind -- I've found that
a
> tighter fit produces better accuracy while a looser fit reduces ball
breaks
> in the barrel. You can *see* the results as the chrono, as a tighter
> ball-to-barrel match produces higher and more consistent velocities up to
> the point where it becomes too tight and the velocities become
inconsistent
> again due to variations in the balls themselves. But I manage to get by
> with a DYE Ti Boomstick most of the time, if the paint of the day is too
> small I screw a LAPCO .683 breech adapter onto the barrel and voila, back
in
> business. This is on either an Autococker or a pump gun mind you, on many
> other guns you can get by with a looser barrel, and the way many people
play
> these days accuracy isn't something they care much about anyway, so why
they
> bother with all the barrel kits I don't know.
>
>

"Jess Carroll" <jess@splatzone.net> wrote in message
news:mzVsd.505$Sb.23432@news.uswest.net...
> actully yes paint to bore match makes a huge difference
>
> anyone with a sizing barrel will tell you this. it that match it will fly
> longer strighter and harder


Tell me how it can POSSIBLY make that much of a difference. Go ahead. Tell
me. I've got the LAWS OF PHYSICS on my side, you've got "someone told me
so"...

Your statements indicate that you haven't put any thought at all into what
you are saying. If a ball leaves a gun at a given rate of speed, at a given
angle, and the ball is of a given weight, and it is roughly spherical, it's
GOING to fly a certain distance, there quite simply is little else to say
about the matter. That takes care of your "longer and harder" portions of
your argument, and if you like, you can check out the veracity of my
statements by looking in any high school physics text, something I doubt
you've ever done.

As far as accuracy is concerned, the only thing to worry about is a GROSSLY
oversized barrel, allowing a ball to bounce around while travelling out. As
long as the barrel is not supersized compared to the ball, you're not going
to experience much in the way of accuracy problems, at least not enough to
worry about buying a 200 buck barrel kit to correct.

I don't know how much more clear I can make it. The paint-to-barrel
matching myth is one of the most perpetuated myths in all of paintball, and
it's PURE hype, 100% marketing bullshit, designed to dupe people who haven't
thought about what they are being told into believing that buying a $200
barrel kit will improve their accuracy, when a single $40 barrel will give
them just as much accuracy.

If you don't believe me, match your paint to your barrel as best you can,
and have a buddy fire his unmatched paint/barrel combo at the same target.
Assuming both of you actually know how to aim, odds are good that your
accuracy is going to be no better than his, regardless of your matching.

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right

"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Jess Carroll" <jess@splatzone.net> wrote in message
> news:mzVsd.505$Sb.23432@news.uswest.net...
>> actully yes paint to bore match makes a huge difference
>>
>> anyone with a sizing barrel will tell you this. it that match it will
>> fly
>> longer strighter and harder
>
>
> Tell me how it can POSSIBLY make that much of a difference. Go ahead.
> Tell
> me. I've got the LAWS OF PHYSICS on my side, you've got "someone told me
> so"...
>
> Your statements indicate that you haven't put any thought at all into what
> you are saying. If a ball leaves a gun at a given rate of speed...


I'm not arguing that ball size makes that huge of a difference but for the
sake of argument (and physics) I'd like to point out what I think you are
overlooking. The FPS of the ball exiting the barrel is not a constant with
size of paintball. All of this argument is based on intuition as I am no
ballistics physicist. Say you have for each case the same firing pressure
behind the ball (the same energy). I would think if the ball is smaller
than the barrel, the ball may bounce back and forth in the barrel some
causing an energy loss thus a reduction in FPS. If the ball was too large
for the barrel, energy loss would be caused by friction and thus a reduction
in FPS. So a happy medium somewhere between too small and too large would
essentially maximize your exit FPS and in turn giving you the maximized
distance.

vah