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steve
[1] Posted by steve 11-29-2004, 06:18 AM
 
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Two recent visits to Camouflage Paintball in Hampshire (A32) for
separate 14th birthdays have put us off the sport. As first timers
both boys took their friends. I am the father of one of the boys. We
were being fired upon by guys with gas guns with more than treble the
power of the rental equipment. We suffered severe bruising all over
our bodies. It was clear from the first game that our paintballs were
not reaching the enemy although the artillery being fired at us was
over powered and painful.
When asked, a marshal confirmed that others had more powerful
equipment. These people were regulars to the site.
The manager lied through his teeth whilst almost laughing at me when I
complained. "All the guns are the same", he continued to say "You are
imagining things"
All of our team were at the mercy of weekend warriors who are basic
cowards. They were happy to hurt us knowing our balls would not even
reach them. As an experiment I aimed my weapon high, just to see if I
could drop one on their heads…..this did not work as the gun was still
far too weak.
When I got home I discussed the situation with the parents who led the
team the week before. They had the same opinion but were too
embarrassed to complain.
So here is a warning to others thinking of attending the A32
Camouflage in Hants UK. Go, pay £300 for a day to be picked off by
wannabee weekend cowardly heros.
If the skinhead Rambo's who shot at us read this…good you are bald
headed cowards with gas guns who love to take pot shots at people who
trusted your friend the manager. I will be complaining to the Cascades
Portsmouth shopping mall where the site was promoted and where we
discovered it. The site also advertises on local busses. The bus firms
will also be made aware of this situation.
 
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Jeff Goslin
[2] Posted by Jeff Goslin 11-29-2004, 09:52 AM
 
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First, let me say, very good troll post! I'm even going to respond!

"steve" <steve@decopinball.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Two recent visits to Camouflage Paintball in Hampshire (A32) for
> separate 14th birthdays have put us off the sport. As first timers
> both boys took their friends. I am the father of one of the boys. We
> were being fired upon by guys with gas guns with more than treble the
> power of the rental equipment. We suffered severe bruising all over
> our bodies. It was clear from the first game that our paintballs were
> not reaching the enemy although the artillery being fired at us was
> over powered and painful.


It is *highly* unlikely that their guns were firing hot. More likely, you
were opposing some players who had actually spent time tuning their guns to
operate on the edge. Using rental gear, which was likely shooting at least
30fps under the speed limit, the perception might have been that you were
using gear that was underpowered. Not really, you were just using gear that
wasn't tuned to optimal performance, like most rental gear.

The guns used by "regulars" of paintball are often firing very rapidly, and
very close to the legal speed limit. Because their gear is more expensive,
they can tune it to sit nearer to the 300fps limit without going over. This
results in both longer range and harder hits, as would be expected.
Furthermore, since they are probably shooting SO much more paint, when you
DO get hit, it's going to be by more paintballs, further adding to the
damage you suffer.

It is not uncommon to get bruises and welts from paintball hits. Quite
frankly, it's part of the game. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of
the kitchen. Honestly, what did you expect would happen when you got hit by
a marble travelling at 200 miles per hour?

Just as an example:
http://www.goslin.info/CloseShot/index.htm
3 feet away, at 220 fps(about 2/3rds as fast as what you were probably shot
at)

> When asked, a marshal confirmed that others had more powerful
> equipment. These people were regulars to the site.


"More powerful" == more expensive. The guns you were provided are just as
capable of firing at the same speed, but probably were not set up to do so.
More powerful probably also meant "a higher rate of fire", they could shoot
more quickly than you guys could. The marshal was, in essence, dumbing it
down for you.

> The manager lied through his teeth whilst almost laughing at me when I
> complained. "All the guns are the same", he continued to say "You are
> imagining things"


He's quite right. The guns *ARE* all the same... technically. And you
probably were blowing it out of proportion. The reason the other guys
weren't complaining is simple: they play paintball all the time and are
used to the hits. Heck, I don't even feel hits any longer, except to note
that I've been eliminated.

> All of our team were at the mercy of weekend warriors who are basic
> cowards. They were happy to hurt us knowing our balls would not even
> reach them. As an experiment I aimed my weapon high, just to see if I
> could drop one on their heads...this did not work as the gun was still
> far too weak.


You stepped onto a field surrounded by rank amateurs and took on the big
boys and got smoked, that's what happened. What you *NEED* to do is find a
field that separates the novices from the regulars, and most fields do that
these days. I think that once you do that, you'll find the game MUCH more
enjoyable. Our field calls it "limited" vs "unlimited" division. If you've
got a fancy gun, you play unlimited.

> If the skinhead Rambo's who shot at us read this.good you are bald
> headed cowards with gas guns who love to take pot shots at people who
> trusted your friend the manager. I will be complaining to the Cascades
> Portsmouth shopping mall where the site was promoted and where we
> discovered it. The site also advertises on local busses. The bus firms
> will also be made aware of this situation.


Good call. Go ahead, complain til you're blue in the face. OR! You might
want to try actually FIXING the problem instead of making it worse. I don't
suppose it occurred to you to call the field owner and chat about the
situation? Nope, didn't think so. The "field manager" you aluded to
speaking to earlier was probably NOT the guy in charge, just the guy behind
the counter that day. Find the guy in charge, and remember, you can catch
more flies with honey than vinegar.

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right



 
Tony Sr.
[3] Posted by Tony Sr. 11-29-2004, 10:27 AM
 
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ditto ditto ditto
"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> First, let me say, very good troll post! I'm even going to respond!
>
> "steve" <steve@decopinball.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2433eb44.0411290218.4559aca3@posting.google.c om...
> > Two recent visits to Camouflage Paintball in Hampshire (A32) for
> > separate 14th birthdays have put us off the sport. As first timers
> > both boys took their friends. I am the father of one of the boys. We
> > were being fired upon by guys with gas guns with more than treble the
> > power of the rental equipment. We suffered severe bruising all over
> > our bodies. It was clear from the first game that our paintballs were
> > not reaching the enemy although the artillery being fired at us was
> > over powered and painful.

>
> It is *highly* unlikely that their guns were firing hot. More likely, you
> were opposing some players who had actually spent time tuning their guns

to
> operate on the edge. Using rental gear, which was likely shooting at

least
> 30fps under the speed limit, the perception might have been that you were
> using gear that was underpowered. Not really, you were just using gear

that
> wasn't tuned to optimal performance, like most rental gear.
>
> The guns used by "regulars" of paintball are often firing very rapidly,

and
> very close to the legal speed limit. Because their gear is more

expensive,
> they can tune it to sit nearer to the 300fps limit without going over.

This
> results in both longer range and harder hits, as would be expected.
> Furthermore, since they are probably shooting SO much more paint, when you
> DO get hit, it's going to be by more paintballs, further adding to the
> damage you suffer.
>
> It is not uncommon to get bruises and welts from paintball hits. Quite
> frankly, it's part of the game. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of
> the kitchen. Honestly, what did you expect would happen when you got hit

by
> a marble travelling at 200 miles per hour?
>
> Just as an example:
> http://www.goslin.info/CloseShot/index.htm
> 3 feet away, at 220 fps(about 2/3rds as fast as what you were probably

shot
> at)
>
> > When asked, a marshal confirmed that others had more powerful
> > equipment. These people were regulars to the site.

>
> "More powerful" == more expensive. The guns you were provided are just as
> capable of firing at the same speed, but probably were not set up to do

so.
> More powerful probably also meant "a higher rate of fire", they could

shoot
> more quickly than you guys could. The marshal was, in essence, dumbing it
> down for you.
>
> > The manager lied through his teeth whilst almost laughing at me when I
> > complained. "All the guns are the same", he continued to say "You are
> > imagining things"

>
> He's quite right. The guns *ARE* all the same... technically. And you
> probably were blowing it out of proportion. The reason the other guys
> weren't complaining is simple: they play paintball all the time and are
> used to the hits. Heck, I don't even feel hits any longer, except to note
> that I've been eliminated.
>
> > All of our team were at the mercy of weekend warriors who are basic
> > cowards. They were happy to hurt us knowing our balls would not even
> > reach them. As an experiment I aimed my weapon high, just to see if I
> > could drop one on their heads...this did not work as the gun was still
> > far too weak.

>
> You stepped onto a field surrounded by rank amateurs and took on the big
> boys and got smoked, that's what happened. What you *NEED* to do is find

a
> field that separates the novices from the regulars, and most fields do

that
> these days. I think that once you do that, you'll find the game MUCH more
> enjoyable. Our field calls it "limited" vs "unlimited" division. If

you've
> got a fancy gun, you play unlimited.
>
> > If the skinhead Rambo's who shot at us read this.good you are bald
> > headed cowards with gas guns who love to take pot shots at people who
> > trusted your friend the manager. I will be complaining to the Cascades
> > Portsmouth shopping mall where the site was promoted and where we
> > discovered it. The site also advertises on local busses. The bus firms
> > will also be made aware of this situation.

>
> Good call. Go ahead, complain til you're blue in the face. OR! You

might
> want to try actually FIXING the problem instead of making it worse. I

don't
> suppose it occurred to you to call the field owner and chat about the
> situation? Nope, didn't think so. The "field manager" you aluded to
> speaking to earlier was probably NOT the guy in charge, just the guy

behind
> the counter that day. Find the guy in charge, and remember, you can catch
> more flies with honey than vinegar.
>
> --
> Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
> It's not a god complex when you're always right
>
>
>



 
Bruce Chang
[4] Posted by Bruce Chang 11-29-2004, 12:42 PM
 
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"steve" <steve@decopinball.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2433eb44.0411290218.4559aca3@posting.google.c om...
> Two recent visits to Camouflage Paintball in Hampshire (A32) for
> separate 14th birthdays have put us off the sport. As first timers
> both boys took their friends. I am the father of one of the boys. We
> were being fired upon by guys with gas guns with more than treble the
> power of the rental equipment. We suffered severe bruising all over
> our bodies. It was clear from the first game that our paintballs were
> not reaching the enemy although the artillery being fired at us was
> over powered and painful.
> When asked, a marshal confirmed that others had more powerful
> equipment. These people were regulars to the site.
> The manager lied through his teeth whilst almost laughing at me when I
> complained. "All the guns are the same", he continued to say "You are
> imagining things"
> All of our team were at the mercy of weekend warriors who are basic
> cowards. They were happy to hurt us knowing our balls would not even
> reach them. As an experiment I aimed my weapon high, just to see if I
> could drop one on their heads...this did not work as the gun was still
> far too weak.
> When I got home I discussed the situation with the parents who led the
> team the week before. They had the same opinion but were too
> embarrassed to complain.
> So here is a warning to others thinking of attending the A32
> Camouflage in Hants UK. Go, pay £300 for a day to be picked off by
> wannabee weekend cowardly heros.
> If the skinhead Rambo's who shot at us read this.good you are bald
> headed cowards with gas guns who love to take pot shots at people who
> trusted your friend the manager. I will be complaining to the Cascades
> Portsmouth shopping mall where the site was promoted and where we
> discovered it. The site also advertises on local busses. The bus firms
> will also be made aware of this situation.


If they were using gas guns, what were you using? Pump? Blow guns?

This is what I've learned in my short time of playing: No one wants to
lose.

Losers will make up any excuse. I played this weekend against another
group. Most of them had their own gear (as we did too). They lost 7 of the
8 matches we played. Why? Because there were 7 of them and 10 of us. Not
necessarily because we're better than them but having more people makes it
harder to win. But what did they complain about? That *I* was shooting
hot. One of the refs said, "hey, they think you're shooting hot." I
replied that he had seen me chrono at 275 (speed limit: 280) and he said he
knows and that he just wanted me to know that they were accusing me of
raising my marker's velocity. Anyhow, if you thought it was unfair, why
didn't you pipe up and tell the management?

If you've never played, you'll get taken to the cleaners every time, even by
people who have only played a couple times. Rental equipment is always
pretty bad but there are some fields that are grossly worse than others. Of
the two fields I've played, Mad Ivan's (Fort Worth, Texas) maintenance was
so poor, almost every rental gun was breaking paint in the barrels because
the ball detents were bad, had leaks in the tanks and was just a poorly run
operation. Official Paintball's (Forney, Texas) maintenance is outstanding.
Their rental guns aren't anythign special. They're bottom end Piranha guns
but they are well maintained and everyone I know that has rented from them
hasn't had any problems. Their management stands outside to talk to
customers and get feedback and suggestions. They run a really good
operation.

-Bruce


 
Tony Miller
[5] Posted by Tony Miller 11-29-2004, 08:30 PM
 
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On 29 Nov 2004 02:18:52 -0800, steve
<steve@decopinball.co.uk> wrote:

<Snip>

> If the skinhead Rambo's who shot at us read this…good you are bald
> headed cowards with gas guns who love to take pot shots at people who
> trusted your friend the manager. I will be complaining to the Cascades
> Portsmouth shopping mall where the site was promoted and where we
> discovered it. The site also advertises on local busses. The bus firms
> will also be made aware of this situation.


Did you talk to any of those "skinhead Rambo's(sic)"? My nephew and I
played a few weeks ago with a bunch of guys who were well organized and
brought their own equipment. This means:

1. It's probably better maintained than the rental gun.

2. It's firing probably pretty close to spec.

It was my nephew's first time on a field and my second. This means that
we are going to be basically targets until we learn some tactics, and
practice, practice, practice with our markers.

If you take a bunch of n00bs (like I am) on a field you are going to get
shot a lot. And when you get hit, it's probably going to hurt. You just
have to shrug, figure what you did wrong (like when I stuck my left ass
cheek inadvertently around the tree) and try not to do it again.

A group of pros don't usually like games that last 2 minutes. They like a
bit of a challenge so they'll usually be amenable to reorganizing teams if
you ask them nicely.

BTW, I have a shaved head, and I don't like being referred to as a
"skinhead". It has a couple of advantages. It seems to make my mask fit
better, and I can wear these cool camo doo-rags

-Tony

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Daniel Stocker
[6] Posted by Daniel Stocker 11-29-2004, 09:30 PM
 
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I find a shaved also makes me cooler in summer, whereas a huge mop of hair
tends to make me "overheat" easily :-)

Cheers,
Daniel

"Tony Miller" <tony@cigardiary.com> wrote in message
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> On 29 Nov 2004 02:18:52 -0800, steve
> <steve@decopinball.co.uk> wrote:
>
> <Snip>
>
> > If the skinhead Rambo's who shot at us read this.good you are bald
> > headed cowards with gas guns who love to take pot shots at people who
> > trusted your friend the manager. I will be complaining to the Cascades
> > Portsmouth shopping mall where the site was promoted and where we
> > discovered it. The site also advertises on local busses. The bus firms
> > will also be made aware of this situation.

>
> Did you talk to any of those "skinhead Rambo's(sic)"? My nephew and I
> played a few weeks ago with a bunch of guys who were well organized and
> brought their own equipment. This means:
>
> 1. It's probably better maintained than the rental gun.
>
> 2. It's firing probably pretty close to spec.
>
> It was my nephew's first time on a field and my second. This means that
> we are going to be basically targets until we learn some tactics, and
> practice, practice, practice with our markers.
>
> If you take a bunch of n00bs (like I am) on a field you are going to get
> shot a lot. And when you get hit, it's probably going to hurt. You just
> have to shrug, figure what you did wrong (like when I stuck my left ass
> cheek inadvertently around the tree) and try not to do it again.
>
> A group of pros don't usually like games that last 2 minutes. They like a
> bit of a challenge so they'll usually be amenable to reorganizing teams if
> you ask them nicely.
>
> BTW, I have a shaved head, and I don't like being referred to as a
> "skinhead". It has a couple of advantages. It seems to make my mask fit
> better, and I can wear these cool camo doo-rags
>
> -Tony
>
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DGDevin
[7] Posted by DGDevin 11-30-2004, 04:38 AM
 
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"Tony Miller" <tony@cigardiary.com> wrote in message
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> A group of pros don't usually like games that last 2 minutes. They like a
> bit of a challenge so they'll usually be amenable to reorganizing teams if
> you ask them nicely.


Your comments are well taken, however I would like to note that real "pros"
will rarely be found lighting up rental beginners, it's the TWIBS --
tournament wannabes -- who buy the same gear as real tourney players and
dress up like they're World Cup winners and DO like to light up rental
beginners who create this impression in the minds of casual players.


 
DGDevin
[8] Posted by DGDevin 11-30-2004, 05:34 AM
 
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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> It is *highly* unlikely that their guns were firing hot. More likely, you
> were opposing some players who had actually spent time tuning their guns
> to
> operate on the edge. Using rental gear, which was likely shooting at
> least
> 30fps under the speed limit, the perception might have been that you were
> using gear that was underpowered. Not really, you were just using gear
> that
> wasn't tuned to optimal performance, like most rental gear.


At one time British law required *extremely* low velocities for airguns
(well actually impact energy rather than velocity, but it amounts to the
same thing), and rental gear had to be set to that speed to avoid the heavy
hand of the law. If that's still the case, then there might have been quite
a difference between rental markers and privately-owned gear that the
owners had cranked up.


 
John
[9] Posted by John 11-30-2004, 12:02 PM
 
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> Two recent visits to Camouflage Paintball in Hampshire (A32) for
> separate 14th birthdays have put us off the sport.
> As first timers
> both boys took their friends. I am the father of one of the boys. We
> were being fired upon by guys with gas guns with more than treble the
> power of the rental equipment. We suffered severe bruising all over
> our bodies. It was clear from the first game that our paintballs were
> not reaching the enemy although the artillery being fired at us was
> over powered and painful.


First, of all chronographing the the markers will tell the speed of the
ball, thus allowing you to know if the marker is shooting hot.
Second, as others have stated, privately owned geer tends to be in better
shape than rental, so the owner was stretching the truth when he said all
the markers where the same.
Third, my friends 6 year old sometimes plays paintball with us, and while we
do not make it a point to hunt the poor tyke down and pepper his butt, he
does get hit. Then he goes and sits in the out area, cries, and when the
next game starts he is right back in there with the big boys. Paintball does
hurt. as Jeff Goslin pointed out a ball traveling 300 feet per second is
traveling at 200 miles per hour, or in your case, 322 kilometers per
hour.And that is about the speed most people try to set their marker close
to. A marker shooting faster will be concidered hot.
If you are unhappy with this paintball park, do not go back, let your money
speak for you. If your sons still want to play paintball, see about getting
them some low end markers and masks. I am lost to where Hamshire is located
in Britian, but there must be a field or a park where they can play. Make
sure to get permission before playing on someone elses land, and check the
local laws before playing on public land.


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Tony Miller
[10] Posted by Tony Miller 11-30-2004, 09:50 PM
 
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:38:55 GMT, DGDevin
<dgdevin@worldnet.att.invalid> wrote:
> "Tony Miller" <tony@cigardiary.com> wrote in message
> news:slrncqnfnq.9oe.tony@home.cigardiary.com...
>
>> A group of pros don't usually like games that last 2 minutes. They like a
>> bit of a challenge so they'll usually be amenable to reorganizing teams if
>> you ask them nicely.

>
> Your comments are well taken, however I would like to note that real "pros"
> will rarely be found lighting up rental beginners, it's the TWIBS --
> tournament wannabes -- who buy the same gear as real tourney players and
> dress up like they're World Cup winners and DO like to light up rental
> beginners who create this impression in the minds of casual players.


True. The kind of player that I aspire to be doesn't light up anyone. If
I shoot someone twice, that's one shot too many.

Also, the beginners are the next generation of players. You really have
to encourage them to remain in the game, or there will be nobody to play
with.

-Tony

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