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[1] Posted by John Doe. 09-03-2004, 10:09 PM |
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Ok, Been playing for about 15 years... I even played with Nelspots, 15grams
and 10 shot cigar tube loaders.... heh Anyways - in the past several years I have only had the opportunity to play a couple times a year. I have a minimag with a remote, agitator, yada-yada-yada... But I suspect I am outta touch a bit - heres why: I just played at a local field where I played rec-ball against a team of regulars who have e-grip equipped Tippman A5s. These guys maxed out the BPS every chance they got. I was shot 4 times each in two different games by one guy and in a third game I was shot 8 times! I complained to the field owner. I got the response that "thats just the way it is". Am I so out of touch that being shot 8 times is not considered overshooting in rec-ball? If so - then what the hell is overshooting? 10, 15 times? 20 times? Is there such a thing!? For fucks sake - can i just keep shooting the guy till he crawls off the field!? In my estimation, this game has changed over the years from being about 90% skill and 10% equipment to being 60% equipment and 40% skill... I suspect that the trend will continue and only thoise with big wallets will be able to have fun. I bet this makes the manufacturers happy.... B. |
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[2] Posted by Cybershark 09-03-2004, 10:34 PM |
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I partly agree...I still consider overshooting to be at 3 shots or
more...when we play renegade we still pull anyone that hits someone more than 3 times on a single out...that keeps all the full auto, bounce, and reactive triggers in check... I don't think that the sport is 60% equipment 40% skill, but I agree that now you can't play pump on a public field and keep up very well...I can only break out my SL-68II on renegade days now...the rest of the time I'm sporting an Eblade because even my PPS stroker feels hard to return fire with when these A5 egrips are bearing down on you...I play a lot at a field run by Tippman employees and inhabited by Tippmann family and employees, so I definitely know what you mean about the E-grips...80% of the players are using them there...I haven't seen anyone there with a pure mech gun that's not atleast an RT... There is definitely a split going on in the sport...blowing 500 rounds a game seems to be the norm now...I'll stick to a 500 round bag for the entire day personally...even though my gun CAN shoot fast and long strings I still find that quick bursts can keep a healthy balance between the styles of old and new school players... you wanna really find something sick in today's paintball world...since when did wiping and hiding hits become part of the game? It seems like now you can't get a kill without having a ref there to watch it...our renegade field again stands out from this; when you get hit you call yourself...we never even need refs... Ken "John Doe." <bill@mikerowesoft.com> wrote in message news:fB8_c.312289$J06.306374@pd7tw2no... > Ok, Been playing for about 15 years... I even played with Nelspots, > 15grams > and 10 shot cigar tube loaders.... heh > > Anyways - in the past several years I have only had the opportunity to > play > a couple times a year. I have a minimag with a remote, agitator, > yada-yada-yada... But I suspect I am outta touch a bit - heres why: > > I just played at a local field where I played rec-ball against a team of > regulars who have e-grip equipped Tippman A5s. These guys maxed out the > BPS > every chance they got. > > I was shot 4 times each in two different games by one guy and in a third > game I was shot 8 times! I complained to the field owner. I got the > response > that "thats just the way it is". > > Am I so out of touch that being shot 8 times is not considered > overshooting > in rec-ball? If so - then what the hell is overshooting? 10, 15 times? > 20 > times? Is there such a thing!? For fucks sake - can i just keep shooting > the guy till he crawls off the field!? > > In my estimation, this game has changed over the years from being about > 90% > skill and 10% equipment to being 60% equipment and 40% skill... I suspect > that the trend will continue and only thoise with big wallets will be able > to have fun. I bet this makes the manufacturers happy.... > > B. > > |
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[3] Posted by DGDevin 09-04-2004, 12:07 AM |
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"John Doe." <bill@mikerowesoft.com> wrote in message
news:fB8_c.312289$J06.306374@pd7tw2no... > Am I so out of touch that being shot 8 times is not considered overshooting > in rec-ball? If so - then what the hell is overshooting? 10, 15 times? 20 > times? Is there such a thing!? For fucks sake - can i just keep shooting > the guy till he crawls off the field!? Depends where you play. At fields which run a tight ship that kind of overshooting will still draw a warning followed by expulsion, but there are lots of places where the operators are slack enough to let it go. > In my estimation, this game has changed over the years from being about 90% > skill and 10% equipment to being 60% equipment and 40% skill... I suspect > that the trend will continue and only thoise with big wallets will be able > to have fun. I bet this makes the manufacturers happy.... I think you have it about right, although there are still places that want everyone to have fun without being welted silly. But there is no question that the "credit card commando" style seems to have gained the upper hand in many areas, you see these goofs all dressed up like tournament superstars, hosing out three cases of paint a day, just for a casual rec game, guys who have never even been to a tournament. What's funny is when they come up against real tourney players and get their asses handed to them on a plate, not quite as much fun as shooting up kids with Spyders. ;-) |
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[4] Posted by Froke 09-04-2004, 06:10 AM |
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yes, overshooting is almost the rules these days, but thats life in a
semi auto field. Personally, I find that most of the times I get lit up bad are cases where more than 2 or 3 people are shooting at me at the same time. The field I usually play at has an average of 150 players on it at a time, so there are times when the paint is coming in from what seems like every direction at once. On a lighter note, one of the great things about this sport is the fact that it can be played in so many differant ways & styles. Stock, pump, woodball, speedball, airball, full auto, flag games, elimination games, scenerio games....you name it we got it. I think that the key to having fun is to play at fields that share your own game philosophies. Some fields are newbie friendly, some are not. Some have long lists of strict rules, some run a looser game. just find the one that fits best with the way YOU want to play and all will be well. There is no "One Way" to play! And quite frankly, I just dont mind being overshot that much. Ive been hit by alot of paintballs in the last 18 years, so few more arent going to bother me much. AF |
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[5] Posted by Bigera 09-04-2004, 01:41 PM |
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Personally I laugh when someone wastes 5-12 balls on me to elmininate me.
It's their money, not mine and my body will eventually heal, while their wallets take a permenent hit. However, I think Cybershark inadvertently touched on why people overshoot. At leats that's why I let my shocker rip on occasion. If I know, and I mean know for a fact, that I hit someone and they wipe or hide the hit, instead of whinning for a ref to do a paint check I'll simply hit them with more paint until they walk off the field. If they wanna pay the $10-$25 field fee to get welted up instead of playing the game the way it's meant to be played, who am I to argue? Getting hit with 4 balls in a game isn't uncommon, but 8 IS pretty harsh. I can see why this upsets you. I'm not going to lie and say that I've never done it, however I believe that it should be extremely rare in a rec-ball game, not the norm. |
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[6] Posted by Tempest 09-04-2004, 02:42 PM |
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"John Doe." <bill@mikerowesoft.com> wrote in message
news:fB8_c.312289$J06.306374@pd7tw2no... > I was shot 4 times each in two different games by one guy and in a third > game I was shot 8 times! I complained to the field owner. I got the > response > that "thats just the way it is". What happened after you noticed that you first got hit? Did you stay put or get the hell out of there? If you're playing against tourney players (unlikely in this case with the A-5's, but regardless) they will keep shooting until you get out of there. I do it all the time. There's no way to tell if someone is playing on or just too scared to stand up. But if you got right up and walked away and they kept hitting you, then yeah that's wrong. We have these "teams" that ask to play against us at practices and there's always the one guy who gets all pissed off for getting "overshot". Well you need to get your ass out of the bunker, buddy. It's amazing how little fire they take when they just calmly stand up and walk off the field. I'm not going to waste my ammo, time, and attention to someone that I know is eliminated. *here comes the part where DGDevin, Jeff, and Insane Ranter still find a way to call me an ass* |
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[7] Posted by Jeff Goslin 09-04-2004, 03:26 PM |
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"Tempest" <gtg713b@prism.gatech.NOSPAM.edu> wrote in message
news:chcuqb$n0r$1@news-int.gatech.edu... > *here comes the part where DGDevin, Jeff, and Insane Ranter still find a way > to call me an ass* *ahem*... "Ya ass..."  -- Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info It's not a god complex when you're always right |
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[8] Posted by Ayar 09-04-2004, 05:32 PM |
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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message news:0ImdnXa4SPOUlKfcRVn-uA@comcast.com... > "Tempest" <gtg713b@prism.gatech.NOSPAM.edu> wrote in message > news:chcuqb$n0r$1@news-int.gatech.edu... >> *here comes the part where DGDevin, Jeff, and Insane Ranter still find a > way >> to call me an ass* > > *ahem*... > > "Ya ass..." > > > > -- > Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info > It's not a god complex when you're always right > Tree Fitty! Eric Hahn Department of Newsgroup Cliches |
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[9] Posted by Insane Ranter 09-04-2004, 05:34 PM |
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"Tempest" <gtg713b@prism.gatech.NOSPAM.edu> wrote in message news:chcuqb$n0r$1@news-int.gatech.edu... > "John Doe." <bill@mikerowesoft.com> wrote in message > news:fB8_c.312289$J06.306374@pd7tw2no... > > I was shot 4 times each in two different games by one guy and in a third > > game I was shot 8 times! I complained to the field owner. I got the > > response > > that "thats just the way it is". > > What happened after you noticed that you first got hit? Did you stay put or > get the hell out of there? If you're playing against tourney players > (unlikely in this case with the A-5's, but regardless) they will keep > shooting until you get out of there. I do it all the time. There's no way to > tell if someone is playing on or just too scared to stand up. But if you got > right up and walked away and they kept hitting you, then yeah that's wrong. > > We have these "teams" that ask to play against us at practices and there's > always the one guy who gets all pissed off for getting "overshot". Well you > need to get your ass out of the bunker, buddy. It's amazing how little fire > they take when they just calmly stand up and walk off the field. I'm not > going to waste my ammo, time, and attention to someone that I know is > eliminated. > > *here comes the part where DGDevin, Jeff, and Insane Ranter still find a way > to call me an ass* > > You're an ass..... |
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[10] Posted by Insane Ranter 09-04-2004, 05:41 PM |
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"Tempest" <gtg713b@prism.gatech.NOSPAM.edu> wrote in message news:chcuqb$n0r$1@news-int.gatech.edu... > "John Doe." <bill@mikerowesoft.com> wrote in message > news:fB8_c.312289$J06.306374@pd7tw2no... > > I was shot 4 times each in two different games by one guy and in a third > > game I was shot 8 times! I complained to the field owner. I got the > > response > > that "thats just the way it is". > > What happened after you noticed that you first got hit? Did you stay put or > get the hell out of there? If you're playing against tourney players > (unlikely in this case with the A-5's, but regardless) they will keep > shooting until you get out of there. I do it all the time. There's no way to > tell if someone is playing on or just too scared to stand up. But if you got > right up and walked away and they kept hitting you, then yeah that's wrong. > > We have these "teams" that ask to play against us at practices and there's > always the one guy who gets all pissed off for getting "overshot". Well you > need to get your ass out of the bunker, buddy. It's amazing how little fire > they take when they just calmly stand up and walk off the field. I'm not > going to waste my ammo, time, and attention to someone that I know is > eliminated. > > *here comes the part where DGDevin, Jeff, and Insane Ranter still find a way > to call me an ass* > > The onlt trouble I've ever had was not being consitant with the rules...if there's no shooting within 10feet and you light someone 3 feet away..well that shouldn't fly for anyone... it applies to anyone on the field.. if the rtules says 3 shots and it's over shooting on the 4th then you play in a way so that you don't hit them with a 4th. Blah blah blah.... I still like giving you a hard time though =)p |
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