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Phelps
[1] Posted by Phelps 08-31-2004, 02:21 PM
 
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Patently Obvious is reporting that WDP was granted a summary judgment
(meaning the judge threw the case out of court) in the SP patent case:

http://patentlaw.typepad.com/patent/...all_paten.html

The judge ruled that the SP didn't have properly name the inventors,
because they left out a one Dr. Hensel, who the court has determined is
the inventor of the electronics, a vital element of all the claims in
question. (Claims as in the patent claims, not the lawsuit.) They
never paid Hensel for this work, and he never signed any sort of
agreement that they had the rights to his intelectual property. The
judge is ordering the USPTO to add him to the patent, which means he
(Hensel) will have to agree to EVERYTHING in regards to the patent as
half-owner.

The PATENT is still alive, but all the current suits that assert that SP
is the sole owner of the patent are now dead in the water. I think that
SP can add Hensel as a party, if he agrees, and refile the suits. Of
course, if Hensel is smart, he'll just go around SP, make his own
(substantially smaller) settlement and screw them over in a large way.

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Phelps <http://www.donotremove.net>
"Bury me with all my stuff, because you know that it is mine."
-- Master Shake's Suicide Note, "Aqua Teen Hunger Force"
 
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Jose
[2] Posted by Jose 08-31-2004, 08:08 PM
 
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Looks like SP got the worst of all worlds. Now they won't have money from a
patent OR royalties or maybe even permission to use a royalty free firing
system. Wonder if they will have to re-imburse the smaller companies they
tried to screw? Also, now that the Gardner's have opened the Pandora's box,
we will have to wait and see what WDP does with this ruling and possible
patent rights. VERY interesting developments.

Jose



"Phelps" <phelpscatcher@attbi.com> wrote in message
newshelpscatcher-73809D.12214631082004@netnews.comcast.net...
> Patently Obvious is reporting that WDP was granted a summary judgment
> (meaning the judge threw the case out of court) in the SP patent case:
>
> http://patentlaw.typepad.com/patent/...all_paten.html
>
> The judge ruled that the SP didn't have properly name the inventors,
> because they left out a one Dr. Hensel, who the court has determined is
> the inventor of the electronics, a vital element of all the claims in
> question. (Claims as in the patent claims, not the lawsuit.) They
> never paid Hensel for this work, and he never signed any sort of
> agreement that they had the rights to his intelectual property. The
> judge is ordering the USPTO to add him to the patent, which means he
> (Hensel) will have to agree to EVERYTHING in regards to the patent as
> half-owner.
>
> The PATENT is still alive, but all the current suits that assert that SP
> is the sole owner of the patent are now dead in the water. I think that
> SP can add Hensel as a party, if he agrees, and refile the suits. Of
> course, if Hensel is smart, he'll just go around SP, make his own
> (substantially smaller) settlement and screw them over in a large way.
>
> --
> Phelps <http://www.donotremove.net>
> "Bury me with all my stuff, because you know that it is mine."
> -- Master Shake's Suicide Note, "Aqua Teen Hunger Force"



 
Aaron Reimer
[3] Posted by Aaron Reimer 08-31-2004, 09:40 PM
 
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My question is whether the settlements that they have in place now (like
with PMI and ICD) are still legally binding . . . I assume that contracts
were signed . . .

"Jose" <none@noneofthismatters.com> wrote in message
news:10ja16rcnsn5e75@corp.supernews.com...
> Looks like SP got the worst of all worlds. Now they won't have money from

a
> patent OR royalties or maybe even permission to use a royalty free firing
> system. Wonder if they will have to re-imburse the smaller companies they
> tried to screw? Also, now that the Gardner's have opened the Pandora's

box,
> we will have to wait and see what WDP does with this ruling and possible
> patent rights. VERY interesting developments.
>
> Jose
>
>
>
> "Phelps" <phelpscatcher@attbi.com> wrote in message
> newshelpscatcher-73809D.12214631082004@netnews.comcast.net...
> > Patently Obvious is reporting that WDP was granted a summary judgment
> > (meaning the judge threw the case out of court) in the SP patent case:
> >
> > http://patentlaw.typepad.com/patent/...all_paten.html
> >
> > The judge ruled that the SP didn't have properly name the inventors,
> > because they left out a one Dr. Hensel, who the court has determined is
> > the inventor of the electronics, a vital element of all the claims in
> > question. (Claims as in the patent claims, not the lawsuit.) They
> > never paid Hensel for this work, and he never signed any sort of
> > agreement that they had the rights to his intelectual property. The
> > judge is ordering the USPTO to add him to the patent, which means he
> > (Hensel) will have to agree to EVERYTHING in regards to the patent as
> > half-owner.
> >
> > The PATENT is still alive, but all the current suits that assert that SP
> > is the sole owner of the patent are now dead in the water. I think that
> > SP can add Hensel as a party, if he agrees, and refile the suits. Of
> > course, if Hensel is smart, he'll just go around SP, make his own
> > (substantially smaller) settlement and screw them over in a large way.
> >
> > --
> > Phelps <http://www.donotremove.net>
> > "Bury me with all my stuff, because you know that it is mine."
> > -- Master Shake's Suicide Note, "Aqua Teen Hunger Force"

>
>



 
Tempest
[4] Posted by Tempest 08-31-2004, 09:44 PM
 
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"Aaron Reimer" <strongwilledchild@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> My question is whether the settlements that they have in place now (like
> with PMI and ICD) are still legally binding . . . I assume that contracts
> were signed . . .


Exactly. Nobody really knows what those contracts said. They were
settlements, not court orders, so it was between the two companies to decide
on the terms. Therefore, the thrown-out suit will likely not be retroactive
for the "already screwed" companies.


 
Phelps
[5] Posted by Phelps 08-31-2004, 10:26 PM
 
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In article <ch3608$gfe$1@news-int2.gatech.edu>,
"Tempest" <gtg713b@prism.gatech.NOSPAM.edu> wrote:

> "Aaron Reimer" <strongwilledchild@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:jS8Zc.22651$%m4.2129384@read2.cgocable.net...
> > My question is whether the settlements that they have in place now (like
> > with PMI and ICD) are still legally binding . . . I assume that contracts
> > were signed . . .

>
> Exactly. Nobody really knows what those contracts said. They were
> settlements, not court orders, so it was between the two companies to decide
> on the terms. Therefore, the thrown-out suit will likely not be retroactive
> for the "already screwed" companies.


Not necessarily. If the contract was made with the understanding
that SP had a good patent, then it is a material breach for SP to turn
out to NOT have the patent.

--
Phelps <http://www.donotremove.net>
"Bury me with all my stuff, because you know that it is mine."
-- Master Shake's Suicide Note, "Aqua Teen Hunger Force"
 
Tempest
[6] Posted by Tempest 09-01-2004, 01:18 AM
 
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"Phelps" <phelpscatcher@attbi.com> wrote in message
> Not necessarily. If the contract was made with the understanding
> that SP had a good patent, then it is a material breach for SP to turn
> out to NOT have the patent.


Yeah I know. My argument is that we *don't know* what the contracts said.
But my gut tells me that SP tailored the contracts so that a loss of patent
wouldn't be retroactive.


 
Jose
[7] Posted by Jose 09-01-2004, 02:48 AM
 
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I'm thinking that if SP is in breach they could be liable for damages
because of bad faith contracts where they knew they were not the legal
patent owners.

Jose


"Tempest" <gtg713b@prism.gatech.NOSPAM.edu> wrote in message
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> "Phelps" <phelpscatcher@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > Not necessarily. If the contract was made with the understanding
> > that SP had a good patent, then it is a material breach for SP to turn
> > out to NOT have the patent.

>
> Yeah I know. My argument is that we *don't know* what the contracts said.
> But my gut tells me that SP tailored the contracts so that a loss of

patent
> wouldn't be retroactive.
>
>



 
DGDevin
[8] Posted by DGDevin 09-01-2004, 03:44 AM
 
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"Jose" <please@dontsendmestuff.com> wrote in message
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> I'm thinking that if SP is in breach they could be liable for damages
> because of bad faith contracts where they knew they were not the legal
> patent owners.
>
> Jose


Lots of people seem to be missing the point that nobody wanted to engage in
an endless legal pissing match with this company, and that's unlikely to
change, the guy with the deepest pockets has a big edge in this kind of
contest.


 
Tony Sr.
[9] Posted by Tony Sr. 09-01-2004, 05:11 AM
 
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look at what dye paid to sp....holy shit !!
"DGDevin" <dgdevin@worldnet.att.invalid> wrote in message
news:gdeZc.285861$OB3.4528@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "Jose" <please@dontsendmestuff.com> wrote in message
> news:10jaosmrl2jt10f@corp.supernews.com...
>
> > I'm thinking that if SP is in breach they could be liable for damages
> > because of bad faith contracts where they knew they were not the legal
> > patent owners.
> >
> > Jose

>
> Lots of people seem to be missing the point that nobody wanted to engage

in
> an endless legal pissing match with this company, and that's unlikely to
> change, the guy with the deepest pockets has a big edge in this kind of
> contest.
>
>



 
Phelps
[10] Posted by Phelps 09-02-2004, 12:07 AM
 
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In article <10jaosmrl2jt10f@corp.supernews.com>,
"Jose" <please@dontsendmestuff.com> wrote:

> I'm thinking that if SP is in breach they could be liable for damages
> because of bad faith contracts where they knew they were not the legal
> patent owners.


There is a presumption in the law that an issued patent is valid. I
don't see any room for a bad faith claim short of proving inequitable
conduct to the patent office, and that isn't what the judge found here.

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Phelps <http://www.donotremove.net>
"Bury me with all my stuff, because you know that it is mine."
-- Master Shake's Suicide Note, "Aqua Teen Hunger Force"
 
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