"Mike Smith" <mws@wt.net> wrote in message
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> OK, I'll try.... Here's the scenario:
>
> You just got bunkered, called yourself out, and you tell the guy that
> one ball would have been enough. He yells "**** you *****" and starts
> shooting at your crotch.
>
> The best way to stop him from assaulting you is a whack on his head
> with your tank. I call that self-defense.

Unspostsmanlike conduct, point penalty. Ejection from the tournament.

And I can diffuse the situation without hitting the person simply by pushing
his barrel out of my way.

Before you ask, I've seen it last year at a local tournament where someone
did this. The offending team was heavily penalised, and the player with the
happy trigger was thrown out of the event. They played a man down the
remainder of the event, and they were uninvited from future tournaments.

-Tyger
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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I'll answer your question with another question. When was the last time
you
> got into a real fight?

I refuse to answer this question on the grounds it may or may not
incriminate myself.

> ...People who resolve their
> differences by fighting are not PAINTBALL PLAYERS, they are *ASSHOLES*...
> you *really* need to start making that distinction more clear.

I don't believe you're right, mainly because the actions we're talking about
here have become more tolerated. It's become acceptable to use fighting on
a paintball field to settle differences. It's been slowly building over the
years, and this is just another incident. I've talked to players many years
ago who had no problem "beating the ****" out of someone on or off the
paintball field, but they never actually did it.

If paintball as an entity does nothing, we may as well condone Fish's
actions and say to any paintball player it's perfectly fine to use violence
to get your way in paintball. It would be no different than Barry Bonds
waiting for the opposing team's pitcher after the game and whacking him with
a baseball bat. If MLB didn't punish the action, they'd be giving the green
light to anyone in MLB to repeat the actions.

> *gah*.... look, the point being made is that we are NOT talking about two
> PAINTBALL PLAYERS fighting, we're talking about two ASSHOLES fighting(or,
in
> this case, three assholes).

No, we're talking about paintball players who fought.

Why did they fight? Over paintball. What were they doing? Playing
paintball. What brought them togetgher into the same area? Paintball.
Would they have fought if they randomly met on the street? This isn't
"Fight Club". They fought becasue they played a game.

You know, I'm watching the "X-Games" wrapup here. You don't see the
competetors beating each other up when they lose. The only sport you saw
fighting was street luge, and they got rid of that sport a while ago. It's
not tolerated, and it's unacceptable behavior for ESPN.

> Two guys get into a fight in your driveway, it's not an attack on your
home,
> it's two fuckheads getting into a tussle on your driveway. You call the
> cops, they come out, haul them off, and the next day's headline DOESN'T
read
> "Tyger promotes unsafe driveways!", no, it reads "Two Fuckheads in Fight".

The difference is that two random people didn't just wander into my driveway
and start fighting. Nor did I put up a sign in my driveway saying "Please
fight here." The difference here is that a fight happened in the context of
sport. If a fight happened at a paintball field in the parking lot over
somehting unrelated (IE : "You slept with my girl.") that's another story.
This fight happened as a direct result of what happened on the field. It
was a fight that was allowed to continue off the field. It's happened
before, and unless the powers that be put their foot down, it'll happen
again.

I don't hold a lot of hope for the future. I may start bringing a firearm
with me when I play, it'll stop fighting once and for good then.

-Tyger
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I've stayed out of this, but I think I'll chime in now. To sum it up, no, this
shouldn't bring bad publicity to paintball. It *won't* bring bad publicity from
halfway intelligent people. It *will* throw the shit in the fan from local
politicians trying to sway the idiot majority, which unfortunately includes
most people against anything that sends a projectile flying through it.
Let's look at this from a dumbassgun-control freak's point of view, in their
little thought chain. Paintball seems to me like a violent sport. -> Assholes
play paintball. -> Since I never hear about them doing good stuff, *all*
paintball players must be assholes. -> paintball-playing assholes get in a
fight. -> Thus, paintball must create violence.
See how this works? I know all, or at least most of you are logical, thinking
people. Unfortunately, humans as a whole are not. Throw simple logic out the
window and run that through your head. See, makes sense when you just want
something to get worked up about, doesn't it?

>Hadn't heard that, but what's the point, anyways? I mean, if they are
>playing good ball, and not shooting up/tokin on a fattie in the parking lot,
>does it really matter if they do drugs?

As for this, I can see this from a sponsor's point of view. They probably don't
really care about the guys doing drugs, they care about them being high or
simply unattentive at practice or general meetings.
Also, from a sponsor's point of view, think of it this way: He's a great
player, but he smokes, say, a joint or two a day. Now what happens when he gets
caught buying it, or airport security rams a hand in his ass and finds his
stash when your company pays to send him across the country to play? Not only
do you have the finger pointed at you from some intelligent people for letting
him on your team, the police might search the rest of your team, decide some
gear is suspect, *AND* you're out your star player.
Even if it all clears up, you quite likely missed the plane and may end up
being late for the tournament. None of that is exactly good for your company's
image, is it?

"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Tyger promotes unsafe driveways!", no, it reads "Two Fuckheads in Fight".

Actully it would read.... "Home Owner Sued for Unsafe Driveway"

cause one or both idots would sue cause they tripped and fell or some other
such nonsense

"DGDevin" <dgdevin@worldnet.att.invalid> wrote in message
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> > Yet you still feel compelled to cry wolf that paintball is under attack,
> > when quite obviously, it isn't, even by your own words.
>
> That is disingenuous, I said no such thing. I did say that this sort of

*hangs head*... I think you know what I mean. Every time someone does
something naughty on a paintball field, you run around like Macauly Culkin
in Home Alone, flinging your arms about and running amok with cries of "the
redcoats are coming, the redcoats are coming!!" It's just the image you
project simply by bringing this sort of thing up again and again. This is
the "cry wolf" attitude I'm talking about, and it most definitely NOT
disingenuous, it is very credible, very real and very annoying, to be
perfectly blunt about it.

> display of childish behavior is capable of damaging paintball if and when
it
> comes to the attention of the news media and politicians and the courts.
> Paintball fields are closed due to political pressure, I've seen it happen
> again and again, this is just the kind of stupid incident that allows that
> to happen.

Fields close. People are ignorant. Politicians and courts are stupid.
What can I say? I *can* say this much: I doubt very much that ANY
paintball field has had a charge of "inherently disruptive to the public
peace" levelled at it, which is what you are essentially suggesting would
happen. That a paintball field would be labelled as a place for people to
fight. It's simply not the case. Most often, the closings happen for
supposedly "environmental reasons" or because people are worried that it
might turn their kids into terrorists or something.

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right

"Tyger" <tyger@webdogradio.baah.us> wrote in message
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> > I'll answer your question with another question. When was the last time
> you
> > got into a real fight?
>
> I refuse to answer this question on the grounds it may or may not
> incriminate myself.

*grin* ok, whatever, there... ya asshole...

Hopefully you don't get into fights very often if at all, assuming you're
old enough to know better.

> I don't believe you're right, mainly because the actions we're talking
about
> here have become more tolerated. It's become acceptable to use fighting
on
> a paintball field to settle differences. It's been slowly building over
the

Not even remotely. You're making the mistake of associating paintball
players with assholes who fight to resolve differences. Now, that said, it
is much more prevalent for the youth of today to resolve their differences
by violence than at any other time in the past. Since paintball is a
youthful sport, it is going to see the reflection of this attitude in it's
ranks. But, even among youth, it is a small portion of the youth who are
doing the fighting: the disrespectful assholes. It just happens that there
are far more disrespectful assholes being brought up today than in the past.

This is NOT a problem with paintball per se. It's a problem with youth.
Or, perhaps more specifically, a problem with assholes, which just happen to
be churning out at a higher rate these days.

> years, and this is just another incident. I've talked to players many
years
> ago who had no problem "beating the ****" out of someone on or off the
> paintball field, but they never actually did it.

Well, if they didn't actually do it, then they must have SOME level of
difficulty with the concept in general. If they had no problem with it,
they would have done it, as paintball puts you in situations that warrant a
good beating on a fairly regular basis(if you were so inclined to do so).
Something keeps them from doing it, whatever that something is. I'd like to
think of it as some semblance of a moral compass, a societal pressure that
keeps them from engaging in anti-social behavior. Whatever it is, people
talk a lot about beating someone down, but very few actually do it.

> Why did they fight? Over paintball. What were they doing? Playing
> paintball. What brought them togetgher into the same area? Paintball.
> Would they have fought if they randomly met on the street? This isn't
> "Fight Club". They fought becasue they played a game.

NO! NO NO NO!!! They fought because they were ASSHOLES!!! If they fought
simply because they played a game, then everyone who played paintball would
fight, so it's obviously NOT the paintball that does it. It's the assholes
who are playing the sport that are fighting, and for the reason that they
are ASSHOLES, not that they are playing paintball. Your association is
*WAY* off here.

> This fight happened as a direct result of what happened on the field. It
> was a fight that was allowed to continue off the field. It's happened
> before, and unless the powers that be put their foot down, it'll happen
> again.

Just out of curiosity... *what* "powers that be"??? What paintball related
agency, company or entity would have the power to enforce such rules?

I summarize by noting that you're making an association that is misguided,
that paintball promotes fighting. It is not paintball that is promoting
fighting, it is assholes who promote fighting. Make the right connection.

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right

>
> I summarize by noting that you're making an association that is misguided,
> that paintball promotes fighting. It is not paintball that is promoting
> fighting, it is assholes who promote fighting. Make the right connection.

I think Tyger is trying to say a lot of assholes play paintball. Paintball
typically brings out aggressive behavior and then those people start bashing
others on the head, most can restrain themselves. Paintball doesn't
promote fighting, it just happens that the people that like to fight are
drawn to it.

It's just like the tiger repellant rock in the simpsons.
The rock repels tigers because there are no tigers around.. The rock must
work.

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:11:37 -0500, "Tyger"
<tyger@webdogradio.baah.us> wrote:

>"Mike Smith" <mws@wt.net> wrote in message
>news:fq21i09rpsue83fh8gq7q6mt71e8rqmn13@4ax.com.. .
>
>> OK, I'll try.... Here's the scenario:
>>
>> You just got bunkered, called yourself out, and you tell the guy that
>> one ball would have been enough. He yells "**** you *****" and starts
>> shooting at your crotch.
>>
>> The best way to stop him from assaulting you is a whack on his head
>> with your tank. I call that self-defense.
>
>Unspostsmanlike conduct, point penalty. Ejection from the tournament.
>
>And I can diffuse the situation without hitting the person simply by pushing
>his barrel out of my way.

You're too polite... It has been forever since someone attempted to
"do me harm". However, if someone did attempt to "do me harm", I would
want it to be one of their "life lessons".

>
>Before you ask, I've seen it last year at a local tournament where someone
>did this. The offending team was heavily penalised, and the player with the
>happy trigger was thrown out of the event. They played a man down the
>remainder of the event, and they were uninvited from future tournaments.
>
>-Tyger

Whoa... I made that up, thinking it was way too absurd to have
happened.....

Silly me...

See ya in a few weeks, Tyger.

Mike Smith

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