"DGDevin" <dgdevin@worldnet.att.invalid> wrote in message
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> hospital, it got him to jail. You want to know the most sickening part?
> His team's initial reaction wasn't to dump him, it was just to have him
keep
> a low profile for awhile until the incident blew over. Incredible.

Why would they do anything else? Get rid of a player simply because he got
into a fight? Nobody is going to force them to get rid of the guy, so why
bother getting rid of a good player(assuming he is) just because he did
something like this? It's not good for them in the long run, because then
they would have to replace this guy.

This is NOT a tacit approval of what happened, just a recognition of the
reality of the situation.

--
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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Why would they do anything else? Get rid of a player simply because he
got
> into a fight? Nobody is going to force them to get rid of the guy, so why
> bother getting rid of a good player(assuming he is) just because he did
> something like this? It's not good for them in the long run, because then
> they would have to replace this guy.

From what I've heard he is considered an average player, not a star. And
this wasn't getting into a fight, this was jumping into an existing fight
and clubbing somebody with a weapon, then attempting to flee the scene,
biiiiiiig difference.

> This is NOT a tacit approval of what happened, just a recognition of the
> reality of the situation.

You're overlooking the liability angle, having established a reputation as
not only a scrapper but a bench-leaving sucker-puncher as well, "Fish" will
be a lightning rod in future, in fact he already is a referee-magnet because
of his unpleasant style and reputation. This isn't the first time the cops
have been called to a paintball tournament, if the next time it happens and
'Shock is involved, is a judge more or less likely to buy their side of the
story with incidents like this already on the books? Your dog is allowed
one bite, but the second time he bites someone you are presumed to have
known he was dangerous and are liable as hell.

Teams have tended to overlook this kind of thing in the past if possible,
characters like Carpet Bob and Robo and Lasoya were allowed to get away with
crappy behavior far too long, but the industry is showing signs of realizing
the tournament scene needs adult supervision. Hey, one major sponsor is
apparently about to require its people to piss in a cup, that alone will
clean out the tourney scene in about five minutes! ;-)

"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> It would seem that your complaint is that we don't have a unified
governing
> board to enact the punishments that people deserve. If we HAD such a
thing,
> I'm sure this guy would have to face the music, but we don't, tough beans
on
> us, lucky for him.

Even when there has been something close to such a body, as when NPPL was
the sole pro tourney organization, do you remember ever hearing about
players suspended or banned? What few sanctions were enforced were minor
and secret, big deal. Nothing will change until forces outside the current
ownership of the tournament scene are in a position to demand changes. If
major outside sponsors or a TV network demanded a cleanup and put teeth in
the demand, then it might happen. But so long as the same people who own
the teams also run the leagues and write the rules and as often as not own
the major sponsoring companies as well, why such they change? This is a
school with all students, no teachers, guess what, the rules mean nothing.

"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I think the point to remember during all of this is that it was a fight.
> ...That they were at a paintball field when the fighting starts means
> that someone was silly enough to bap someone over the head with a HPA
tank.
> THAT IS *ALL*.

Let me ask this then. Why were they fighting? What was important enough in
a PRACTICE to fight over?

> You guys are making this out to be an attack on paintball, simply because
> two guys got into a fight at a paintball field.

Give me one good reason to tolerate fighting with weapons at a paintball
field. Just try to convince me that it's perfectly normal to come to blows
becasue two guys can't agree on who shot who first in a snake bunker.

If you can convince me, or even if you TRY to convince me that fighting is a
perfectly FINE thing to do at a paintball field, then it's an attack on
paintball. At least it's an attack on the game I know as paintball.

-Tyger
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"DGDevin" <dgdevin@worldnet.att.invalid> wrote in message
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> From what I've heard he is considered an average player, not a star. And

Then sure enough, nature will take it's course. If he's just average, it
won't be long before his "average play" no longer cuts the mustard.

> this wasn't getting into a fight, this was jumping into an existing fight
> and clubbing somebody with a weapon, then attempting to flee the scene,
> biiiiiiig difference.

Yet you still feel compelled to cry wolf that paintball is under attack,
when quite obviously, it isn't, even by your own words.

> You're overlooking the liability angle, having established a reputation as
> not only a scrapper but a bench-leaving sucker-puncher as well, "Fish"
will
> be a lightning rod in future, in fact he already is a referee-magnet
because

That's true, but I'm sure the team will take that into consideration next
time they play. If they don't think of it themselves(unlikely), it will
become EXTREMELY evident in their next game all on it's own, when this guy
"Fish" is wearing his very own ref as a hat.

> the tournament scene needs adult supervision. Hey, one major sponsor is
> apparently about to require its people to piss in a cup, that alone will
> clean out the tourney scene in about five minutes! ;-)

Hadn't heard that, but what's the point, anyways? I mean, if they are
playing good ball, and not shooting up/tokin on a fattie in the parking lot,
does it really matter if they do drugs?

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 02:31:06 -0500, "Tyger"
<tyger@webdogradio.baah.us> wrote:

>
>"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:Cd-dnX-Rho9VJYLcRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
>
>> I think the point to remember during all of this is that it was a fight.
>> ...That they were at a paintball field when the fighting starts means
>> that someone was silly enough to bap someone over the head with a HPA
>tank.
>> THAT IS *ALL*.
>
>Let me ask this then. Why were they fighting? What was important enough in
>a PRACTICE to fight over?
>
>> You guys are making this out to be an attack on paintball, simply because
>> two guys got into a fight at a paintball field.
>
>Give me one good reason to tolerate fighting with weapons at a paintball
>field. Just try to convince me that it's perfectly normal to come to blows
>becasue two guys can't agree on who shot who first in a snake bunker.
>
>If you can convince me, or even if you TRY to convince me that fighting is a
>perfectly FINE thing to do at a paintball field, then it's an attack on
>paintball. At least it's an attack on the game I know as paintball.
>
>-Tyger

OK, I'll try.... Here's the scenario:

You just got bunkered, called yourself out, and you tell the guy that
one ball would have been enough. He yells "**** you *****" and starts
shooting at your crotch.

The best way to stop him from assaulting you is a whack on his head
with your tank. I call that self-defense.

Mike Smith

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http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesui...video_wmv.html

"DGDevin" <dgdevin@worldnet.att.invalid> wrote in message
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> the major sponsoring companies as well, why such they change? This is a
> school with all students, no teachers, guess what, the rules mean nothing.

What you just said (snipped a bit) was simply an expansion of what I said.
You and I are in agreement. I think you need to remember that sometimes,
every now and then, you and I actually agree on a few things. I think
you're just so used to taking up opposite sides from me that it's simply
natural for you to argue with me.

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right

"Tyger" <tyger@webdogradio.baah.us> wrote in message
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> Let me ask this then. Why were they fighting? What was important enough
in
> a PRACTICE to fight over?

I'll answer your question with another question. When was the last time you
got into a real fight? Personally, I haven't been anywhere NEAR a real
fight since high school, when I matured to the point that fighting was no
longer a viable way to resolve differences. Yet people of all ages keep
fighting. Why do they fight? Maybe they just aren't mature enough to
resolve their differences like civilized human beings, but honestly, that's
not the point at all. The people who get into fights at our age are going
to get into fights if they are at a resturant, a bar, a movie theater, a
parking lot, and yes, even a paintball field. People who resolve their
differences by fighting are not PAINTBALL PLAYERS, they are *ASSHOLES*...
you *really* need to start making that distinction more clear.

> Give me one good reason to tolerate fighting with weapons at a paintball
> field. Just try to convince me that it's perfectly normal to come to
blows
> becasue two guys can't agree on who shot who first in a snake bunker.
>
> If you can convince me, or even if you TRY to convince me that fighting is
a
> perfectly FINE thing to do at a paintball field, then it's an attack on
> paintball. At least it's an attack on the game I know as paintball.

*gah*.... look, the point being made is that we are NOT talking about two
PAINTBALL PLAYERS fighting, we're talking about two ASSHOLES fighting(or, in
this case, three assholes).

Of course I'm not going to sit here and tell you that fighting at a
paintball field is fine, duh! But it's important to note that the whole
"paintball field" modifier bit has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!! What's
important to realize is that it's not the whole statement "fighting at
paintball field", but rather "fighting" period, FIGHTING is not fine.
Whether it's done at a paintball field or wherever.

Two guys get into a fight in your driveway, it's not an attack on your home,
it's two fuckheads getting into a tussle on your driveway. You call the
cops, they come out, haul them off, and the next day's headline DOESN'T read
"Tyger promotes unsafe driveways!", no, it reads "Two Fuckheads in Fight".

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right