Re: NXL Full Auto

MathU41 · MathU41

>Please excuse my ignorance of this, since I guess I haven't played
>enough to know the answer to this question, but what is ramping?
>
>

Well, there are a few explanations I know of. In this istance, I think it's
used to explain an electronics cheat. Several pulls of the trigger sets it to
full-auto.
The other ones I know about are also known as bouncing, simply the vibration of
the marker setting itself off again, and another electronics cheat that makes
the valves stay open longer after a certain rate of fire, which raises the
velocity well above 300.

Tempest · Tempest

"MathU41" <mathu41@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040812172547.14634.00001458@mb-m29.aol.com...
> Well, there are a few explanations I know of. In this istance, I think
it's
> used to explain an electronics cheat. Several pulls of the trigger sets it
to
> full-auto.
> The other ones I know about are also known as bouncing, simply the
vibration of
> the marker setting itself off again, and another electronics cheat that
makes
> the valves stay open longer after a certain rate of fire, which raises the
> velocity well above 300.

Yeah it's pretty simple. Ramping is intentional code. Bouncing is an
electrical/mechanical side effect.

MathU41 · MathU41

>Yeah it's pretty simple. Ramping is intentional code. Bouncing is an
>electrical/mechanical side effect.

Yeah. I know the difference (I'm a bit of a stickler on terms. I HATE it when
people call cicadas locusts, for example), but the tourney wannabes that don't
have started spreading misused terms.

Tempest · Tempest

"MathU41" <mathu41@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040812192816.14634.00001466@mb-m29.aol.com...
> Yeah. I know the difference (I'm a bit of a stickler on terms. I HATE it
when
> people call cicadas locusts, for example), but the tourney wannabes that
don't
> have started spreading misused terms.

True that. My head's going to explode the next time I hear a kid refer to
the "fact" that if a gun has DE-bounce it will create an *increase* in
bounce.

Tempest · Tempest

"MathU41" <mathu41@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040812203958.14634.00001471@mb-m29.aol.com...
> And for the record, how *does* de-bounce work, anyway?

The simplest way to decrease bounce is to decrease the sampling rate that
the software uses so that inhuman trigger pulls (say, around 30-40 hz) are
impossible. Yeah, this method is similar to decreasing the "ROF", but works
on a basis of listening cycles instead of a monitored fire rate. I believe
that more advanced chipsets (Tadao, maybe even WAS) use more sophisticated
algorithms to decrease bounce so that ROF isn't hindered. If this is the
case, I'm not sure how it is done. One theory of mine is that the sampling
rate is lower at lower monitored ROF's, and as the monitored ROF increases,
so does the sampling rate. This would be sort of a "bounce/ramp" hybrid.

-Mike

Jeff Goslin · Jeff Goslin

"MathU41" <mathu41@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040812203958.14634.00001471@mb-m29.aol.com...
> chicken'. Am I one of the few people under 50 that don't mangle the
english
> language?

I guess so. You n me both...

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right

MathU41	[1] Posted by MathU41 08-12-2004, 06:25 PM
Posts: n/a	Quote >Please excuse my ignorance of this, since I guess I haven't played >enough to know the answer to this question, but what is ramping? > > Well, there are a few explanations I know of. In this istance, I think it's used to explain an electronics cheat. Several pulls of the trigger sets it to full-auto. The other ones I know about are also known as bouncing, simply the vibration of the marker setting itself off again, and another electronics cheat that makes the valves stay open longer after a certain rate of fire, which raises the velocity well above 300.
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Tempest	[2] Posted by Tempest 08-12-2004, 08:04 PM
Posts: n/a	Quote "MathU41" <mathu41@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040812172547.14634.00001458@mb-m29.aol.com... > Well, there are a few explanations I know of. In this istance, I think it's > used to explain an electronics cheat. Several pulls of the trigger sets it to > full-auto. > The other ones I know about are also known as bouncing, simply the vibration of > the marker setting itself off again, and another electronics cheat that makes > the valves stay open longer after a certain rate of fire, which raises the > velocity well above 300. Yeah it's pretty simple. Ramping is intentional code. Bouncing is an electrical/mechanical side effect.
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MathU41	[3] Posted by MathU41 08-12-2004, 08:28 PM
Posts: n/a	Quote >Yeah it's pretty simple. Ramping is intentional code. Bouncing is an >electrical/mechanical side effect. Yeah. I know the difference (I'm a bit of a stickler on terms. I HATE it when people call cicadas locusts, for example), but the tourney wannabes that don't have started spreading misused terms.
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Tempest	[4] Posted by Tempest 08-12-2004, 08:50 PM
Posts: n/a	Quote "MathU41" <mathu41@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040812192816.14634.00001466@mb-m29.aol.com... > Yeah. I know the difference (I'm a bit of a stickler on terms. I HATE it when > people call cicadas locusts, for example), but the tourney wannabes that don't > have started spreading misused terms. True that. My head's going to explode the next time I hear a kid refer to the "fact" that if a gun has DE-bounce it will create an increase in bounce.
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Tempest	[5] Posted by Tempest 08-12-2004, 10:23 PM
Posts: n/a	Quote "MathU41" <mathu41@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040812203958.14634.00001471@mb-m29.aol.com... > And for the record, how does de-bounce work, anyway? The simplest way to decrease bounce is to decrease the sampling rate that the software uses so that inhuman trigger pulls (say, around 30-40 hz) are impossible. Yeah, this method is similar to decreasing the "ROF", but works on a basis of listening cycles instead of a monitored fire rate. I believe that more advanced chipsets (Tadao, maybe even WAS) use more sophisticated algorithms to decrease bounce so that ROF isn't hindered. If this is the case, I'm not sure how it is done. One theory of mine is that the sampling rate is lower at lower monitored ROF's, and as the monitored ROF increases, so does the sampling rate. This would be sort of a "bounce/ramp" hybrid. -Mike
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Jeff Goslin	[6] Posted by Jeff Goslin 08-13-2004, 04:52 AM
Posts: n/a	Quote "MathU41" <mathu41@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040812203958.14634.00001471@mb-m29.aol.com... > chicken'. Am I one of the few people under 50 that don't mangle the english > language? I guess so. You n me both... -- Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info It's not a god complex when you're always right
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