Paintball Forums  
User Name
Password

Paintball Forums > General > Just Paintball > Paintball Discussion > Re: Benefit of electronic loaders

Reply
Bruce Chang
[1] Posted by Bruce Chang 08-12-2004, 04:41 PM
 
Posts: n/a


Quote
Something else that has bothered me a bit.. The VL loader says it's a 12V
hopper, except that it uses two 9V batteries. So I thought, well, maybe
they're using two batteries in parallel to give it the current or the
battery life it needs. But that's still only 9V.

But no.. these batteries are in series making 18V. Hmm, I think to myself..
Why would they burn off 6 volts just to make the thing run at 12V? Why not
make the thing work off 9V or 18V.? Is this just a bunch of propaganda? I
suppose I could open the thing up and measure the voltage to the motor and
if that's 12V, then I guess it kinda makes sense but who advertises their
product as 12V when it's actually 9V input 18V input?

-Bruce


"Bruce Chang" <bechang@swspambegonebell.net> wrote in message
news:3t7Sc.1420$%p3.1309@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> So I'm more or less a newbie at paintball. I've played once and enjoyed

it
> a lot and am going again this weekend. My first time playing I got a

rental
> gun and it did fine for what I expected of it. Fairly accurate and range
> was fine. As long as I'm moving, accuracy and distance isn't as

important.
>
> So I bought me a gun on eBay and it came with an electronic loader

(Piranha
> EXT Pro G3 and VL Revolution 12V hopper).
>
> I see that the benefits of a hopper is that you can fire balls at a faster
> rate but is there any benefit of an electronic hopper if you don't fire
> balls much faster than 3/sec? At the end of my last time playing, each

game
> I played I would fire 3 balls at a time in not very rapid succession.

Even
> when laying covering fire for a teammate, it was only 3 maybe 4 balls a
> second. Will I see any benefit? That's my question.
>
> On a side note, anyone have any personal experience with the EXT Pro G3?

I
> read some reviews and they were all positive so I decided that it'd be a
> decent gun to start with.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> -Bruce
>
>



 
Sponsored Links
MathU41
[2] Posted by MathU41 08-12-2004, 06:28 PM
 
Posts: n/a


Quote
<snip> > then I guess it kinda makes sense but who advertises their
>product as 12V when it's actually 9V input 18V input?
>
>-Bruce


It does use two 9-volts, with an 18-volt input, but a little transformer inside
regulates it down to 12V. Saves on battery life, and still a nice jump from a
single 9volt.
 
Bruce Chang
[3] Posted by Bruce Chang 08-12-2004, 06:40 PM
 
Posts: n/a


Quote

"MathU41" <mathu41@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040812172818.14634.00001459@mb-m29.aol.com...
> <snip> > then I guess it kinda makes sense but who advertises their
> >product as 12V when it's actually 9V input 18V input?
> >
> >-Bruce

>
> It does use two 9-volts, with an 18-volt input, but a little transformer

inside
> regulates it down to 12V. Saves on battery life, and still a nice jump

from a
> single 9volt.


Well, it woudln't be a transformer, it'd be a regulator. Transformers are
for converting power for AC applications.

Regulating the voltage down to 12 volts means that you lose power due to
heat dissipation. On the assumption that the motor draws .5 amps, you're
losing 3 watts of power when it's on. It wouldn't really save battery life
because power is being wasted to heat. But I suppose since there's no
standard 12V battery, this was the easiest way.


 
Jeff Goslin
[4] Posted by Jeff Goslin 08-12-2004, 06:41 PM
 
Posts: n/a


Quote
"Bruce Chang" <bechang@swspambegonebell.net> wrote in message
news:XsRSc.5486$jd2.1388@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m...
> Well, it woudln't be a transformer, it'd be a regulator. Transformers are
> for converting power for AC applications.


Oh look! A nit! I think I'll pick it!

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right



 
Bruce Chang
[5] Posted by Bruce Chang 08-12-2004, 06:49 PM
 
Posts: n/a


Quote

"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OpmdndW3T4SseYbcRVn-hw@comcast.com...
> "Bruce Chang" <bechang@swspambegonebell.net> wrote in message
> news:XsRSc.5486$jd2.1388@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m...
> > Well, it woudln't be a transformer, it'd be a regulator. Transformers

are
> > for converting power for AC applications.

>
> Oh look! A nit! I think I'll pick it!
>
> --
> Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
> It's not a god complex when you're always right
>
>
>


I got an engineering degree so I could pick nits in this regard. =o)


 
Bruce Chang
[6] Posted by Bruce Chang 08-12-2004, 07:09 PM
 
Posts: n/a


Quote

"Bruce Chang" <bechang@swspambegonebell.net> wrote in message
news:aCRSc.5490$9g2.1017@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m...
>
> "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:OpmdndW3T4SseYbcRVn-hw@comcast.com...
> > "Bruce Chang" <bechang@swspambegonebell.net> wrote in message
> > news:XsRSc.5486$jd2.1388@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m...
> > > Well, it woudln't be a transformer, it'd be a regulator. Transformers

> are
> > > for converting power for AC applications.

> >
> > Oh look! A nit! I think I'll pick it!
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
> > It's not a god complex when you're always right
> >
> >
> >

>
> I got an engineering degree so I could pick nits in this regard. =o)
>


Sorry, my point was that a ideal transformer loses no power but a perfect
regulator does. A regulator that drops 6 volts just disappates it to heat
whereas the power going into a transformer is the same coming out.

The previous poster is under the impression that regulating the voltage down
*saves* battery life. I'm not convinced that regulating voltage to 12V
saves battery life. I would imagine it was just cheaper to do that with the
availability and plethora of 12V motors and 9V batteries.


 
Jeff Goslin
[7] Posted by Jeff Goslin 08-12-2004, 07:54 PM
 
Posts: n/a


Quote
"Bruce Chang" <bechang@swspambegonebell.net> wrote in message
news:aCRSc.5490$9g2.1017@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m...
> > > Well, it woudln't be a transformer, it'd be a regulator. Transformers

> are
> > > for converting power for AC applications.

> >
> > Oh look! A nit! I think I'll pick it!

>
> I got an engineering degree so I could pick nits in this regard. =o)


I got a compsci degree so I could feel superior to nitpicking engineers.

I think the thing to remember is that nobody *really* cares about what
specific wonder of electrical engineering mutates the supposed 18volts going
in to an advertised 12volts coming out. Except to note that there is a
doohickey that does it.

For my part, I always just assumed that it was 12volts instead of 18 because
18 would just churn the motor too quickly to allow effective paint feeding,
so they stepped it back down.

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right



 
Jeff Goslin
[8] Posted by Jeff Goslin 08-12-2004, 07:55 PM
 
Posts: n/a


Quote
"Bruce Chang" <bechang@swspambegonebell.net> wrote in message
news:AURSc.5492$Vm2.3258@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m...
> Sorry, my point was that a ideal transformer loses no power but a perfect
> regulator does. A regulator that drops 6 volts just disappates it to heat
> whereas the power going into a transformer is the same coming out.
>
> The previous poster is under the impression that regulating the voltage

down
> *saves* battery life. I'm not convinced that regulating voltage to 12V
> saves battery life. I would imagine it was just cheaper to do that with

the
> availability and plethora of 12V motors and 9V batteries.


My *god* man, let it go!

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right



 
Tempest
[9] Posted by Tempest 08-12-2004, 08:10 PM
 
Posts: n/a


Quote
"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1oOdnaD37e_WaIbcRVn-hA@comcast.com...
> I got a compsci degree so I could feel superior to nitpicking engineers.



CS majors write code that's cool.

Engineering majors write code that actually does something.


 
Tempest
[10] Posted by Tempest 08-13-2004, 12:14 AM
 
Posts: n/a


Quote
"Thomas Bishop" <SPAMAWAYbishopthomas@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:4QTSc.2135
> What program are you using to post your messages? You think an electrical
> engineer wrote that program?


You weren't supposed to take that joke so literally

And for the record- yes, it's quite possible that an electrical engineer(ing
major) wrote this code. Because it actually performs a function


 
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Which electronic loader? DeathX Paintball Discussion 34 08-18-2005 02:05 AM
Electronic Hopper mikeyc Paintball Discussion 14 03-08-2005 12:03 AM
Re: Benefit of electronic loaders Randy Given Paintball Discussion 0 08-11-2004 10:49 PM
Re: Benefit of electronic loaders Insane Ranter Paintball Discussion 0 08-10-2004 07:45 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:01 AM.


Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 2.4.0