call 858 513 2778 ask for mike. I just sold him a fenix I bought from him
(makes no sense) with shocktech bolt etc. he may sell it for cheap. this is
the velocity paintball store in san diego. I have a dm4 and a freeflow
cocker...this fenix was going to be my woods gun.

--
www.paintball-amargio1.com
"-=GriFter=-" <speeder25NOSPAM@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:GSgzc.40$w07.7@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et...
> If your biggest concern would be to have a consistent velocity you can
> obtain that by just putting a decent aftermarket reg on either marker. I
> have owned Spyders (not a fenix though) in the past and have had only 1
> impulse. If you want to save money get the fenix with an aftermarket reg
> (genx2) and run it with HPA. You already have some parts from your current
> spyder that you can canibalize such as your barrel, so that should save
you
> some more cash.
>
> Just my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth.
> --
>
>
> -=GriFter=-
>
>
> "Lee Drake" <verysexymanNO@SPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xmgzc.162734$hY.87904@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> | Ok here's the deal. I'm thinking about upgrading my gun (no say it
isn't
> | so). I don't play enough tourney to justify spending a thousand on it -
> | it's just too much dough. But the manual trigger on my Java spyder is
> just
> | too slow for me at this point. The thing is - I love my spyder. It's
> dead
> | accurate, it NEVER breaks down and I know it inside and out. I can and
> have
> | fixed it on the field in the occasional instance where paint breaks in
it.
> |
> | So where does the trouble lie you say - just buy a DM4 Well I can't
> | really justify spending that kind of dough. So I have a choice to make
> | between two guns. One gun is significantly more bucks - but seems to be
a
> | bit more popular. Understand that I do NOT care how the gun "looks". I
> | shoot out plenty of people with flashy guns with my Java Spyder and it's
> | manual trigger. I want reliable, accurate, and I want to upgrade to
> | something that (in Semi-Auto mode) shoots faster than my Java.
> |
> | The two guns are: Spyder Fenix (high-end e-marker from Kingman) and the
> | Impulse. With the Fenix I can use the barrel I already purchased for my
> | java, which I love. I'd also have some money left over in case I want
to
> | buy doo-dad's such as delrin bolt, new grips, etc. I imagine since it's
a
> | spyder at it's heart it will shoot much like my Java only faster. Price
> is
> | in the low 200's.
> |
> | The Impulse is almost 2x as much, but has a feed-eye and looks to be a
bit
> | more solidly made. I have no idea how easy/hard it is to field strip
> and/or
> | maintain, but friends on the field seem to always be having problems
with
> | theirs that I never have with my Spyder. Other than that it seems
> reliable
> | and relatively fast. If I buy the Impulse I'll have no $$ left for
> | aftermarket add-ons or improvements, inluding a new barrel. I don't
> believe
> | the Impulse has Spyder threads for barrels.
> |
> | One thing I don't know about is the regulator/consistency on the two
guns.
> | I'm very interested in having consistent velocity coming out the barrel
> and
> | having it be "Tournament legal" in terms of velocity settings.
> |
> | Any thoughts? Anyone out there own a fenix or impulse and can tell me
> their
> | opinions? Again - I don't care how it looks, just how it shoots.
> |
> | Cheers,
> | Firefly
> |
> |
>
>

Or you can sell the barrel and spyder and get a used impulse for $250-$300.
It's the route I'd take because in the long run you'll have a marker than
can keep up at tourney level if you so choose.


"-=GriFter=-" <speeder25NOSPAM@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:GSgzc.40$w07.7@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et...
> If your biggest concern would be to have a consistent velocity you can
> obtain that by just putting a decent aftermarket reg on either marker. I
> have owned Spyders (not a fenix though) in the past and have had only 1
> impulse. If you want to save money get the fenix with an aftermarket reg
> (genx2) and run it with HPA. You already have some parts from your current
> spyder that you can canibalize such as your barrel, so that should save
you
> some more cash.
>
> Just my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth.
> --
>
>
> -=GriFter=-
>
>
> "Lee Drake" <verysexymanNO@SPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xmgzc.162734$hY.87904@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> | Ok here's the deal. I'm thinking about upgrading my gun (no say it
isn't
> | so). I don't play enough tourney to justify spending a thousand on it -
> | it's just too much dough. But the manual trigger on my Java spyder is
> just
> | too slow for me at this point. The thing is - I love my spyder. It's
> dead
> | accurate, it NEVER breaks down and I know it inside and out. I can and
> have
> | fixed it on the field in the occasional instance where paint breaks in
it.
> |
> | So where does the trouble lie you say - just buy a DM4 Well I can't
> | really justify spending that kind of dough. So I have a choice to make
> | between two guns. One gun is significantly more bucks - but seems to be
a
> | bit more popular. Understand that I do NOT care how the gun "looks". I
> | shoot out plenty of people with flashy guns with my Java Spyder and it's
> | manual trigger. I want reliable, accurate, and I want to upgrade to
> | something that (in Semi-Auto mode) shoots faster than my Java.
> |
> | The two guns are: Spyder Fenix (high-end e-marker from Kingman) and the
> | Impulse. With the Fenix I can use the barrel I already purchased for my
> | java, which I love. I'd also have some money left over in case I want
to
> | buy doo-dad's such as delrin bolt, new grips, etc. I imagine since it's
a
> | spyder at it's heart it will shoot much like my Java only faster. Price
> is
> | in the low 200's.
> |
> | The Impulse is almost 2x as much, but has a feed-eye and looks to be a
bit
> | more solidly made. I have no idea how easy/hard it is to field strip
> and/or
> | maintain, but friends on the field seem to always be having problems
with
> | theirs that I never have with my Spyder. Other than that it seems
> reliable
> | and relatively fast. If I buy the Impulse I'll have no $$ left for
> | aftermarket add-ons or improvements, inluding a new barrel. I don't
> believe
> | the Impulse has Spyder threads for barrels.
> |
> | One thing I don't know about is the regulator/consistency on the two
guns.
> | I'm very interested in having consistent velocity coming out the barrel
> and
> | having it be "Tournament legal" in terms of velocity settings.
> |
> | Any thoughts? Anyone out there own a fenix or impulse and can tell me
> their
> | opinions? Again - I don't care how it looks, just how it shoots.
> |
> | Cheers,
> | Firefly
> |
> |
>
>

Slap a decent regulator on your gun. Palmer Stabilizer would be best,
especially for CO2.
I think you can find electronic Spyder frames on ebay for good prices.


"Lee Drake" <verysexymanNO@SPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xmgzc.162734$hY.87904@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Ok here's the deal. I'm thinking about upgrading my gun (no say it isn't
> so). I don't play enough tourney to justify spending a thousand on it -
> it's just too much dough. But the manual trigger on my Java spyder is
just
> too slow for me at this point. The thing is - I love my spyder. It's
dead
> accurate, it NEVER breaks down and I know it inside and out. I can and
have
> fixed it on the field in the occasional instance where paint breaks in it.
>
> So where does the trouble lie you say - just buy a DM4 Well I can't
> really justify spending that kind of dough. So I have a choice to make
> between two guns. One gun is significantly more bucks - but seems to be a
> bit more popular. Understand that I do NOT care how the gun "looks". I
> shoot out plenty of people with flashy guns with my Java Spyder and it's
> manual trigger. I want reliable, accurate, and I want to upgrade to
> something that (in Semi-Auto mode) shoots faster than my Java.
>
> The two guns are: Spyder Fenix (high-end e-marker from Kingman) and the
> Impulse. With the Fenix I can use the barrel I already purchased for my
> java, which I love. I'd also have some money left over in case I want to
> buy doo-dad's such as delrin bolt, new grips, etc. I imagine since it's a
> spyder at it's heart it will shoot much like my Java only faster. Price
is
> in the low 200's.
>
> The Impulse is almost 2x as much, but has a feed-eye and looks to be a bit
> more solidly made. I have no idea how easy/hard it is to field strip
and/or
> maintain, but friends on the field seem to always be having problems with
> theirs that I never have with my Spyder. Other than that it seems
reliable
> and relatively fast. If I buy the Impulse I'll have no $$ left for
> aftermarket add-ons or improvements, inluding a new barrel. I don't
believe
> the Impulse has Spyder threads for barrels.
>
> One thing I don't know about is the regulator/consistency on the two guns.
> I'm very interested in having consistent velocity coming out the barrel
and
> having it be "Tournament legal" in terms of velocity settings.
>
> Any thoughts? Anyone out there own a fenix or impulse and can tell me
their
> opinions? Again - I don't care how it looks, just how it shoots.
>
> Cheers,
> Firefly
>
>

Get the gun the impulse came from...a bushmaster...Indian Creek does the
BKO, a lower end bushy that's a very impressive gun...it's simple looking,
very light, and with a tantrum paintball chaos chip can be extremely angry
on the firepower (no limit on rate and other modes of fire if you desire
them up to ~20 bps actual cycle rate)...It works exactly like the impulse
does except it uses a spring to return the ram instead of a second jet of
air...the bushmaster uses both strokes if you absolultely think you're gonna
need those extra few BPS...but for the money I don't know that you can beat
a bushy...you can even upgrade it to eyes with a factory mod ($150) or do it
yourself for much less if your confident (I'm doing one for a buddy for
about $40)...it's super reliable...the newer models are cocker threaded, and
it's just as simple as point and shoot..no messy LCD safety and stuff like
that to slow you down...or for about the same as your impulse...get an
Ebladed cocker...they can be found for around $500 used right now...that's
what I use as my main gun...it never chops (has eye installed), is timed to
19.2 balls/second with the stock WGP aluminum bolt, and it looks
beautiful...you're never going to find a better trigger...magnetically
returned and optically triggered...you can easily adjust the trigger to your
liking...Mine's about a 1mm pull with "heavy" return so it snaps back into
place instantly...you can set it so light that the gun will bounce itself
into a full auto frenzy until you hold the trigger down to stop it...

now the hard part...if you can get over the name of the gun...System X make
an extremely nice Eblade knockoff... the Type X...you can get them new from
DoroPaintball for around $500
http://www.doropaintball.com/AB10381...d=6692...trust me
it's a great knockoff...if you look at the eclipse manual and the xonik one
they are nearly identical in every way...I haven't owned a xonik personally,
but I have owned a Vengeance 2.0 Pro from System X...their guns definitely
don't deserve the rep they've been getting...most people don't like it
because it's a "focker." This just means that they don't buy the body from
WGP, they make it themselves to the same specs...

and incase you're one of those "cockers are too hard to maintain"
guys...well the mechanical ones can be a pain if they don't have quality
parts that hold to their set tolerances...but the electronic ones eliminate
the chore of retiming and allow you to even fine tune the steps of firing in
1ms increments...for example here are my settings:
son 2 (time solenoid activates to fire the gun, lower # here saves battery)

cdel 2 (time after gun fires before it waits to recock, use this to kill
blowback and even create breech suction)

con 30 (time gun activates cocking solenoid, lighter backblock/bolts will
lower this, also the eye makes this irrelevant since it'll just stay open
till it sees a ball)

cto 250 (time the eye will wait before giving up and closing anyway)

coff 20 (time to allow the breech to close and ball to settle before next
shot)

Max ROF: 19.23bps

bald 1 (how long the eye has to see a ball before shutting)
empd 2 (how long the eye has to see an empty breech while firing)
tpul 4 (trigger filter, how long trigger must be closed)
trel 15 (trigger filter, how long trigger must open before next shot)

To hit that 19.23 (or higher when the eye is on) it requires a fast
loader...I use a Qloader, but have used a HaloB or Evo2 as well...it can
outshoot the evo, but still an impressive show
Ken


"Lee Drake" <verysexymanNO@SPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xmgzc.162734$hY.87904@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Ok here's the deal. I'm thinking about upgrading my gun (no say it isn't
> so). I don't play enough tourney to justify spending a thousand on it -
> it's just too much dough. But the manual trigger on my Java spyder is
just
> too slow for me at this point. The thing is - I love my spyder. It's
dead
> accurate, it NEVER breaks down and I know it inside and out. I can and
have
> fixed it on the field in the occasional instance where paint breaks in it.
>
> So where does the trouble lie you say - just buy a DM4 Well I can't
> really justify spending that kind of dough. So I have a choice to make
> between two guns. One gun is significantly more bucks - but seems to be a
> bit more popular. Understand that I do NOT care how the gun "looks". I
> shoot out plenty of people with flashy guns with my Java Spyder and it's
> manual trigger. I want reliable, accurate, and I want to upgrade to
> something that (in Semi-Auto mode) shoots faster than my Java.
>
> The two guns are: Spyder Fenix (high-end e-marker from Kingman) and the
> Impulse. With the Fenix I can use the barrel I already purchased for my
> java, which I love. I'd also have some money left over in case I want to
> buy doo-dad's such as delrin bolt, new grips, etc. I imagine since it's a
> spyder at it's heart it will shoot much like my Java only faster. Price
is
> in the low 200's.
>
> The Impulse is almost 2x as much, but has a feed-eye and looks to be a bit
> more solidly made. I have no idea how easy/hard it is to field strip
and/or
> maintain, but friends on the field seem to always be having problems with
> theirs that I never have with my Spyder. Other than that it seems
reliable
> and relatively fast. If I buy the Impulse I'll have no $$ left for
> aftermarket add-ons or improvements, inluding a new barrel. I don't
believe
> the Impulse has Spyder threads for barrels.
>
> One thing I don't know about is the regulator/consistency on the two guns.
> I'm very interested in having consistent velocity coming out the barrel
and
> having it be "Tournament legal" in terms of velocity settings.
>
> Any thoughts? Anyone out there own a fenix or impulse and can tell me
their
> opinions? Again - I don't care how it looks, just how it shoots.
>
> Cheers,
> Firefly
>
>

You answered your own dilemma in your opening paragraph. Your current gun
is accurate, never breaks down, and you're good with it. Sounds like three
good reasons to stick with what you've got. "If it ain't broke, don't fix
it."

Praytell... why do you feel the need to get a "better" gun? If your gun
truly is accurate, your trigger being "slow" shouldn't be a problem.
Theoretically, you should be able to hit anything you shoot at. That's my
take on it.

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right


"Lee Drake" <verysexymanNO@SPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xmgzc.162734$hY.87904@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Ok here's the deal. I'm thinking about upgrading my gun (no say it isn't
> so). I don't play enough tourney to justify spending a thousand on it -
> it's just too much dough. But the manual trigger on my Java spyder is
just
> too slow for me at this point. The thing is - I love my spyder. It's
dead
> accurate, it NEVER breaks down and I know it inside and out. I can and
have
> fixed it on the field in the occasional instance where paint breaks in it.
>
> So where does the trouble lie you say - just buy a DM4 Well I can't
> really justify spending that kind of dough. So I have a choice to make
> between two guns. One gun is significantly more bucks - but seems to be a
> bit more popular. Understand that I do NOT care how the gun "looks". I
> shoot out plenty of people with flashy guns with my Java Spyder and it's
> manual trigger. I want reliable, accurate, and I want to upgrade to
> something that (in Semi-Auto mode) shoots faster than my Java.
>
> The two guns are: Spyder Fenix (high-end e-marker from Kingman) and the
> Impulse. With the Fenix I can use the barrel I already purchased for my
> java, which I love. I'd also have some money left over in case I want to
> buy doo-dad's such as delrin bolt, new grips, etc. I imagine since it's a
> spyder at it's heart it will shoot much like my Java only faster. Price
is
> in the low 200's.
>
> The Impulse is almost 2x as much, but has a feed-eye and looks to be a bit
> more solidly made. I have no idea how easy/hard it is to field strip
and/or
> maintain, but friends on the field seem to always be having problems with
> theirs that I never have with my Spyder. Other than that it seems
reliable
> and relatively fast. If I buy the Impulse I'll have no $$ left for
> aftermarket add-ons or improvements, inluding a new barrel. I don't
believe
> the Impulse has Spyder threads for barrels.
>
> One thing I don't know about is the regulator/consistency on the two guns.
> I'm very interested in having consistent velocity coming out the barrel
and
> having it be "Tournament legal" in terms of velocity settings.
>
> Any thoughts? Anyone out there own a fenix or impulse and can tell me
their
> opinions? Again - I don't care how it looks, just how it shoots.
>
> Cheers,
> Firefly
>
>

my guess is a pissing contest (on some level) has consciously or
subconsciously occurred among friends and/or fellow players


"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
newscednehVcaI1n1PdRVn-sw@comcast.com...
> You answered your own dilemma in your opening paragraph. Your current
gun
> is accurate, never breaks down, and you're good with it. Sounds like
three
> good reasons to stick with what you've got. "If it ain't broke, don't
fix
> it."
>
> Praytell... why do you feel the need to get a "better" gun? If your gun
> truly is accurate, your trigger being "slow" shouldn't be a problem.
> Theoretically, you should be able to hit anything you shoot at. That's
my
> take on it.
>
> --
> Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
> It's not a god complex when you're always right
>
>
> "Lee Drake" <verysexymanNO@SPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xmgzc.162734$hY.87904@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> > Ok here's the deal. I'm thinking about upgrading my gun (no say it
isn't
> > so). I don't play enough tourney to justify spending a thousand on
it -
> > it's just too much dough. But the manual trigger on my Java spyder is
> just
> > too slow for me at this point. The thing is - I love my spyder. It's
> dead
> > accurate, it NEVER breaks down and I know it inside and out. I can and
> have
> > fixed it on the field in the occasional instance where paint breaks in
it.
> >
> > So where does the trouble lie you say - just buy a DM4 Well I can't
> > really justify spending that kind of dough. So I have a choice to make
> > between two guns. One gun is significantly more bucks - but seems to
be a
> > bit more popular. Understand that I do NOT care how the gun "looks".
I
> > shoot out plenty of people with flashy guns with my Java Spyder and
it's
> > manual trigger. I want reliable, accurate, and I want to upgrade to
> > something that (in Semi-Auto mode) shoots faster than my Java.
> >
> > The two guns are: Spyder Fenix (high-end e-marker from Kingman) and the
> > Impulse. With the Fenix I can use the barrel I already purchased for
my
> > java, which I love. I'd also have some money left over in case I want
to
> > buy doo-dad's such as delrin bolt, new grips, etc. I imagine since
it's a
> > spyder at it's heart it will shoot much like my Java only faster.
Price
> is
> > in the low 200's.
> >
> > The Impulse is almost 2x as much, but has a feed-eye and looks to be a
bit
> > more solidly made. I have no idea how easy/hard it is to field strip
> and/or
> > maintain, but friends on the field seem to always be having problems
with
> > theirs that I never have with my Spyder. Other than that it seems
> reliable
> > and relatively fast. If I buy the Impulse I'll have no $$ left for
> > aftermarket add-ons or improvements, inluding a new barrel. I don't
> believe
> > the Impulse has Spyder threads for barrels.
> >
> > One thing I don't know about is the regulator/consistency on the two
guns.
> > I'm very interested in having consistent velocity coming out the barrel
> and
> > having it be "Tournament legal" in terms of velocity settings.
> >
> > Any thoughts? Anyone out there own a fenix or impulse and can tell me
> their
> > opinions? Again - I don't care how it looks, just how it shoots.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Firefly
> >
> >
>
>

To clarify - I already have HPA and an EVO2 on my current spyder. Was
planning to keep it as a "backup gun" so I don't have to mess with the
Fenix/Impulse under pressure if it's down.

Cheers,
Lee

No actually it's simpler than that. No pissing match at all - one upmanship
is not my game. My gun is accurate, but not as consistent in velocity as
I'd like (even with HPA). (IE shoots straight but not as consistent in the
distance department). When I played a league, even with the HPA I
sometimes got my team penalized for being over, even when initial crony was
as much as 12 or 15 below the limit.

I find myself being shot out in one-on-one snap shooting mostly because the
other guy gets the jump on me with the etriggers, rather than the manual
trigger. I just am too old to compensate for both youth and a hair trigger
without at least evening the odds on the trigger.

I also want to have a "main gun" and a decent secondary (the current spyder)
so that I have an option for woodsball, or when my gun is down. This is the
same reason I carry my old 20oz co2 tank around in case my hpa goes down.
Too many guys I see spend all their dough on one gun then when it's down
they agonize through the day. My sense is that the faster trigger will also
buy me more problems so I want an "out" should that end up happening.

I've been asked to join a team and want to have a gun that is "tourney
ready" to be used in tournaments.

Basically I've played with this gun for about a year and a half - and it's
served me well but I feel that I am at a point where the gun is holding me
back.

Cheers,
Firefly