Hey wouldn't be asking in a paintball forum if it wasn't for use in the
sport. He's obviously a scenario player.

--

Mofaz
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

In that case...... As far as being able to see more, you see ALOT more. Its
like turning night into day for the most part. You cant see details like
peoples faces or read a newspaper or stuff like that, but in the paintball
world its a huge difference. For most generation 1 devices, a small amount
of light is needed. Moonlight should be enough, even decent starlight will
give you a boost. Most of the newer units come with an infrared enhancer, a
flashlight that only night vision can pick up. The only problem with night
vision for paintball use is you have to be able to use it while your goggles
are on, which wont work for about 98% of the night vision on the market. I
havent really found a good answer to that problem so ill let someone more
experienced answer that one.

"Mofaz" <sixstringbliss@SPAMINATOR.getnet.net> wrote in message
news:40440b83$0$97610$4c5eba9e@news.getnet.net...
> Hey wouldn't be asking in a paintball forum if it wasn't for use in the
> sport. He's obviously a scenario player.
>
> --
>
> Mofaz
> "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
> - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
>
>

My advice to you would be to restrict your paintball playing to daylight
hours or venues with lighted fields. Any decent night vision getup is both
obscenely expensive and hard to use with a mask on. Save yourself the money
and play only when you're supposed to be awake.

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right


"Stephen" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Xns949FE9A683CB4stephen101@205.188.138.161...
> Anyone have some experience/advice with night vision devices? How much
more
> do you really see than with adapted naked eye? How much light is needed
for
> decent operation (moonlight/starlight etc). Generation 1 seems the only
> thing I can afford. Any recommendations/experiences or things to watch out
> for when buying night vision device? Any recommendations on brands?
> Thanks for feedback

I concur..............don't waste your money. If you play at night and can't
hear them advancing on you maybe you should invest in a sound amplification
device instead.
--


-=GriFter=-

Who was the first person to say, "See that chicken there... I'm gonna eat
the next thing that comes out of it's ass."



"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> My advice to you would be to restrict your paintball playing to daylight
> hours or venues with lighted fields. Any decent night vision getup is
both
> obscenely expensive and hard to use with a mask on. Save yourself the
money
> and play only when you're supposed to be awake.
>
> --
> Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
> It's not a god complex when you're always right
>
>
> "Stephen" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns949FE9A683CB4stephen101@205.188.138.161...
> > Anyone have some experience/advice with night vision devices? How much
> more
> > do you really see than with adapted naked eye? How much light is needed
> for
> > decent operation (moonlight/starlight etc). Generation 1 seems the only
> > thing I can afford. Any recommendations/experiences or things to watch
out
> > for when buying night vision device? Any recommendations on brands?
> > Thanks for feedback
>
>

I agree that night vision isn't the best idea for paintball, but I do enjoy
playing in the dark. It's spooky!!! Even the trees seem to be pointing a
marker at you!
The problem is that with night vision that most people can afford you have
to hold them up to your mask. Even without the focus problems it makes it
difficult to shoot. I tend to walk my shots into the target and I can't do
both. I find it easier to allow my eyes to get used to the dark, sneak up on
my opponent, and shoot until the scream. Then I know I've hit them. :0

--
"Don't be misled, bad company corrupts good character."
www.LCTPaintball.com
www.LCTProducts.com


"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:FbCdnYy9gtat7tnd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> My advice to you would be to restrict your paintball playing to daylight
> hours or venues with lighted fields. Any decent night vision getup is
both
> obscenely expensive and hard to use with a mask on. Save yourself the
money
> and play only when you're supposed to be awake.
>
> --
> Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
> It's not a god complex when you're always right
>
>
> "Stephen" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns949FE9A683CB4stephen101@205.188.138.161...
> > Anyone have some experience/advice with night vision devices? How much
> more
> > do you really see than with adapted naked eye? How much light is needed
> for
> > decent operation (moonlight/starlight etc). Generation 1 seems the only
> > thing I can afford. Any recommendations/experiences or things to watch
out
> > for when buying night vision device? Any recommendations on brands?
> > Thanks for feedback
>
>

>Anyone have some experience/advice with night vision devices?

While all of the 24 hour games I play feature night play, probably only half
of them allow the use of night vision equipment - the reason being that some
players complain it's an unfair advantage.. That seems silly to me, since first
off night vision can almost be more trouble than it's worth, and secondly, I
don't see rules against any other equipment simply because everybody can't
afford it. But nevertheless..
In my experience, most fields will not allow the use of goggle type night
vision because they interfere with or preclude wearing standard paintball eye
safety equipment. Actual rifle scopes have been coming down in price, but
present several problems - most come with built-in weaver mounts that are too
wide for paintball sight rails and will need to be adapted somehow, and the
size of the (especially the lowest cost) units conflicts with hoppers on most
paintball guns.
Many people (including me) use simple Gen 1 spotting scopes, which is probably
the cheapest and most practical way to go (if you consider nv practical to
start with). They can be mounted on the side of the gun or hand held. There are
several things to watch for when choosing any of these scopes. One is eye
relief. Some of the scopes require your eye to be right up to the eye piece,
meaning you can't use the scope while wearing paintball goggles. If you can't
get a scope picture with your eyes several inches back, then it will be useless
when playing paintball. One of the guys on my team addressed this by reverse
mounting a 50 mm SLR camera lense in place of the eyepiece lense and it
presents a fairly usable picture.
Another thing to watch for is the magnification. Some spotting scopes have
lenses with, for example, 4x magnification, which presents the user with a
narrow field of view. At night, that narrow field of view is your ONLY view and
it can be difficult and time consuming to locate targets without knowing where
to point the thing to start with. You end up doing a lot of side to side
scanning. And then there's the fact that Gen 1 devices usually don't show an
intense amount of detail, meaning it's hard to spot targets that are using
concealment or not moving. Movement can be fairly easy to spot, but even
lightly concealed people (like behind small trees) can be hard to make if they
are sitting still. Your best bet for using a Gen 1 spotting scope is to listen
for movement, then scan the general direction and look for movement..
Overall, night vision, especially on the cheap, is probably more hassle than
it's worth.
If you want a cheaper alternative for night play, I suggest getting a large
candle power spotlight. I have seen groups in scenario games use them very
effectively, by having one person in the back just out of range do the
spotting, and the rest coordinating their movements and working together.
Billy Goodman -
Pukin Dogs
http://www.pukindogspaintball.com

In article <20040302101409.09014.00000764@mb-m14.aol.com>,
blg123@aol.companyslut (Billy Goodman) wrote:

> If you want a cheaper alternative for night play, I suggest getting a large
> candle power spotlight. I have seen groups in scenario games use them very
> effectively, by having one person in the back just out of range do the
> spotting, and the rest coordinating their movements and working together.

I hope so. I'm planning to play my first scenario game this weekend,
and there is night play scheduled, but I'm just taking my 4xD-cell
Maglite to ID targets. Illuminate an area for a moment if I hear
something, if I see something, turn it on for a second or two while I
shoot a string at them, and then turn if off and relocate. This might
be one of the few times that my personal combat skills might be useful
in paintball (I plan to use a cross-arm light and gun grip, something
I've drilled with pistols. I think I can control the marker that way,
but it is going to be damned tiring. It is a lot harder to keep a good
grip on than a pistol.)

I've also got an FRS radio with an earpiece. Anything else I should
take beyond the normal rec-ball walk on stuff? I normally take my
camelback (I play in Texas in the summer) and wear BDUs (cheap and hard
wearing). I picked up some hand and toe warmers when I was in Oshman's
last.

--
Phelps <http://www.donotremove.net>
"You better slap a muzzle on that scaled down piece of evil." -- Space Ghost

>I've also got an FRS radio with an earpiece. Anything else I should
>take beyond the normal rec-ball walk on stuff? I normally take my
>camelback (I play in Texas in the summer) and wear BDUs (cheap and hard
>wearing). I picked up some hand and toe warmers when I was in Oshman's

For night play specifically, do you have a goggle fan? Depending on the weather
conditions they can sure come in handy at night. If it's humid or if you spend
a lot of time close to the ground, like in a prone position, goggles can easily
fog up. Personally I have a small computer fan wired to a 9 volt battery and it
works great.

If you're gun is heavy you might try to come up with a way to sling it. While
that sounds stupid to walk-on players, in scenario games I have easily spent 2
to 3 hours at a time on field, and often the walks to and from camp are long,
so having a sling can significantly cut down on fatigue.


Billy Goodman -
Pukin Dogs
http://www.pukindogspaintball.com