no it doesnt... bolts dont help until your on an electro.


"n3whs" <op4_camper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Does this do anything or is it just a waste of money?
> I run a tip 98 c.
> Thnks for your help.
>
>
no it doesnt... bolts dont help until your on an electro.


"n3whs" <op4_camper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Does this do anything or is it just a waste of money?
> I run a tip 98 c.
> Thnks for your help.
>
>

Don't waste money on a bolt upgrade. A buddy of mine bought a Starfire and
had no improvement in efficiency. What he got were functionality problems
with it. Changed back to stock bolt and everything worked great.

--
Jose I. Sanchez
Airsmith
Electric Iguana Paintball
http://www.electriciguanapaintball.com


"n3whs" <op4_camper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> whoops forgot the link
>
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>
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> "n3whs" <op4_camper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:exFhb.5244$Bv6.1631944@news1.epix.net...
> > Does this do anything or is it just a waste of money?
> > I run a tip 98 c.
> > Thnks for your help.
> >
> >
>
>

No. More than likely not, anyway. If you're extremely lucky, it might help
efficiency or such. but likely not. It may prevent ball breaks through the
venturi design, but chances are if you're using a 98, you're not running Marbs
or other brittle tourny balls through it.

"Michael Hughes" wrote twice:
>bolts dont help until your on an electro.

I've only shot one electro in my life, but I've shot many different
guns, actually compared bolts on a couple, studied some physics,
aerodynamics, and I've already shown my prediliction for
experimentation on target ranges... I'm a lousy 'baller, but a halfway
decent guy for chewing the fat over the physics of a paintgun.

The way I figure, the only thing a bolt can do to affect the gun is
screw things up. a bolt can:
1: scrape and cause friction, slowing down the action
2: allow a leak around the chamber, reducing efficiency
3: restrict airflow, reducing efficiency
4: chamber the ball badly, causing breaks
5: jam

these things, nor the function of any of the parts in a gun, change
all that much in an electro, there's just a layer of programming
between you and the parts, sensors and servo's in an angel aren't so
much different then muscles and brains for a stock gun (although
faster...)

(It's an important distinction, between thinking of a bolt making
things work better, and making things worse. If you realize a bolt can
only make things worse, you realize there is a finite limit to how
much positive affect it can have on your game. a bad one hurts, a good
one doesn't, an expensive one doesn't hurt, but doesn't help any
either...)

regardless of the type of gun, or how it works, or how it's driven,
the bolt is a good bolt if it doesn't do any of the above. Given the
way air "pours" through an opening, the air pressure is evenly
distributed across the ball regardless of it's porting, and the
effects of the barrel, gravity, turbulent flow, friction, and the
300fps windflow of the atmosphere can't help but not overwhelm the
miniscule effects of the bolt...

at least, that's my take on it...

the main part of a new bolt on an electro is weight, if the bolt is lighter,
the internals can move it back quicker, and you can shoot faster.



"Brian Lojeck" <brian@lojeck.com> wrote in message
news:d24efaf3.0310102130.3118b104@posting.google.c om...
> "Michael Hughes" wrote twice:
> >bolts dont help until your on an electro.
>
> I've only shot one electro in my life, but I've shot many different
> guns, actually compared bolts on a couple, studied some physics,
> aerodynamics, and I've already shown my prediliction for
> experimentation on target ranges... I'm a lousy 'baller, but a halfway
> decent guy for chewing the fat over the physics of a paintgun.
>
> The way I figure, the only thing a bolt can do to affect the gun is
> screw things up. a bolt can:
> 1: scrape and cause friction, slowing down the action
> 2: allow a leak around the chamber, reducing efficiency
> 3: restrict airflow, reducing efficiency
> 4: chamber the ball badly, causing breaks
> 5: jam
>
> these things, nor the function of any of the parts in a gun, change
> all that much in an electro, there's just a layer of programming
> between you and the parts, sensors and servo's in an angel aren't so
> much different then muscles and brains for a stock gun (although
> faster...)
>
> (It's an important distinction, between thinking of a bolt making
> things work better, and making things worse. If you realize a bolt can
> only make things worse, you realize there is a finite limit to how
> much positive affect it can have on your game. a bad one hurts, a good
> one doesn't, an expensive one doesn't hurt, but doesn't help any
> either...)
>
> regardless of the type of gun, or how it works, or how it's driven,
> the bolt is a good bolt if it doesn't do any of the above. Given the
> way air "pours" through an opening, the air pressure is evenly
> distributed across the ball regardless of it's porting, and the
> effects of the barrel, gravity, turbulent flow, friction, and the
> 300fps windflow of the atmosphere can't help but not overwhelm the
> miniscule effects of the bolt...
>
> at least, that's my take on it...
the main part of a new bolt on an electro is weight, if the bolt is lighter,
the internals can move it back quicker, and you can shoot faster.



"Brian Lojeck" <brian@lojeck.com> wrote in message
news:d24efaf3.0310102130.3118b104@posting.google.c om...
> "Michael Hughes" wrote twice:
> >bolts dont help until your on an electro.
>
> I've only shot one electro in my life, but I've shot many different
> guns, actually compared bolts on a couple, studied some physics,
> aerodynamics, and I've already shown my prediliction for
> experimentation on target ranges... I'm a lousy 'baller, but a halfway
> decent guy for chewing the fat over the physics of a paintgun.
>
> The way I figure, the only thing a bolt can do to affect the gun is
> screw things up. a bolt can:
> 1: scrape and cause friction, slowing down the action
> 2: allow a leak around the chamber, reducing efficiency
> 3: restrict airflow, reducing efficiency
> 4: chamber the ball badly, causing breaks
> 5: jam
>
> these things, nor the function of any of the parts in a gun, change
> all that much in an electro, there's just a layer of programming
> between you and the parts, sensors and servo's in an angel aren't so
> much different then muscles and brains for a stock gun (although
> faster...)
>
> (It's an important distinction, between thinking of a bolt making
> things work better, and making things worse. If you realize a bolt can
> only make things worse, you realize there is a finite limit to how
> much positive affect it can have on your game. a bad one hurts, a good
> one doesn't, an expensive one doesn't hurt, but doesn't help any
> either...)
>
> regardless of the type of gun, or how it works, or how it's driven,
> the bolt is a good bolt if it doesn't do any of the above. Given the
> way air "pours" through an opening, the air pressure is evenly
> distributed across the ball regardless of it's porting, and the
> effects of the barrel, gravity, turbulent flow, friction, and the
> 300fps windflow of the atmosphere can't help but not overwhelm the
> miniscule effects of the bolt...
>
> at least, that's my take on it...

"Michael Hughes" <dapaintschmuck**IZASEXYBEAST**@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<bm94j1$9gb$1@bob.news.rcn.net>...
> the main part of a new bolt on an electro is weight, if the bolt is lighter,
> the internals can move it back quicker, and you can shoot faster.

<smacks own forehead> in my previous post, where I listed jamming,
replace that with "weight"... I'd forgotten my big finish, and just
stuck jam in there to make an even 5.

You are correct, a bolt's weight can change the speed at which the gun
cycles, but has anyone here ever been firing so fast that they pulled
the trigger and their electro gun simply wasn't ready to fire? Even at
it's slowest I'd be willing to bet that most any electro gun out there
is WAY faster then the user (hence the popularity of reactive triggers
and full-auto guns...)

full auto guns are popular???


"Brian Lojeck" <brian@lojeck.com> wrote in message
news:d24efaf3.0310111509.745b8c7d@posting.google.c om...
> "Michael Hughes" <dapaintschmuck**IZASEXYBEAST**@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:<bm94j1$9gb$1@bob.news.rcn.net>...
> > the main part of a new bolt on an electro is weight, if the bolt is
lighter,
> > the internals can move it back quicker, and you can shoot faster.
>
> <smacks own forehead> in my previous post, where I listed jamming,
> replace that with "weight"... I'd forgotten my big finish, and just
> stuck jam in there to make an even 5.
>
> You are correct, a bolt's weight can change the speed at which the gun
> cycles, but has anyone here ever been firing so fast that they pulled
> the trigger and their electro gun simply wasn't ready to fire? Even at
> it's slowest I'd be willing to bet that most any electro gun out there
> is WAY faster then the user (hence the popularity of reactive triggers
> and full-auto guns...)

Yes. Among the segment of the paintball market which brings in the MILLIONS in
profits for
companies like Kingman, Tippmann, PMI, NPS, etc. Face facts. Tournament
paintball is
not the bread and butter segment of most paintball businesses.


Michael Hughes wrote:

> full auto guns are popular???
>
> "Brian Lojeck" <brian@lojeck.com> wrote in message
> news:d24efaf3.0310111509.745b8c7d@posting.google.c om...
> > "Michael Hughes" <dapaintschmuck**IZASEXYBEAST**@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:<bm94j1$9gb$1@bob.news.rcn.net>...
> > > the main part of a new bolt on an electro is weight, if the bolt is
> lighter,
> > > the internals can move it back quicker, and you can shoot faster.
> >
> > <smacks own forehead> in my previous post, where I listed jamming,
> > replace that with "weight"... I'd forgotten my big finish, and just
> > stuck jam in there to make an even 5.
> >
> > You are correct, a bolt's weight can change the speed at which the gun
> > cycles, but has anyone here ever been firing so fast that they pulled
> > the trigger and their electro gun simply wasn't ready to fire? Even at
> > it's slowest I'd be willing to bet that most any electro gun out there
> > is WAY faster then the user (hence the popularity of reactive triggers
> > and full-auto guns...)