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[1] Posted by Jeff Goslin 09-01-2003, 08:15 AM |
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"Magnus" <altinger@SPAMLESSshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:1r35lv8ns43m7idja2p2rbusulf6enhcbn@4ax.com... > Quite literally, instead of hiding in the bushes, they'll casually > walk down the path in the open and kill everyone. Its maddening!!! > > Okay, so my question is, for under $1000 Canadian, whats a kick ass > ACCURATE marker? Unfortunately, your question is mostly unanswerable. First of all, what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another. Second of all, and while you've heard it before, it is actually true: "it's not the gun, it's the player". The reason these guys seemingly unstoppably mow down entire opposing teams is more a combination of experience, aggressive play, strategy and teamwork than it is about the kind of firepower they have at their disposal. While it is true that a person with more firepower in their hands is more likely to get the job done, it's by no means the most important factor. Of course, getting a reliable working marker is key to the whole situation, but there is nothing wrong with a model 98 to get the job done. With a decent barrel and an agitated hopper, model 98's are just as effective at getting the job done as the top of the line Angels, Cockers, Intimidators and so on. My recommendation to you would be to concentrate on playing with people who are limited in their firepower, and to work on your skills. Most fields have (now) two divisions of play, a limited division and an unlimited division. By playing in the limited division, you play with people who are arguably equally as well equipped as you are, and where the skill of the player becomes literally the only deciding factor in how good or bad you do on the field. It's also much more of a self-esteem booster, because you're not getting trampled every game. Save your money for when you are truly ready to play with the big boys. If your complaint is that people are literally standing out in the open and keeping your head down, you're not ready to play the game at that level, and that is absolutely fine. Please don't take my last statement as an insult. I, personally, prefer to play in "less intense" games, basically because they are more fun. Plus which, I'm old, fat and slow, so it's much more fun to play a more relaxed game than the game most youngsters want to play, which is the 2 minute drill. So, keep your 98. Buy more paint. Get a barrel(recommendation: J&J Ceramic). Get a hopper(your choice, revvy, halo, rico, whatever). Play with other players who are at your skill level. You'll get better, and then, take on the big guys with their uberhardware. -- Jeff Goslin - MCSD It's not a god complex when you're always right http://www.goslin.info |
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[2] Posted by Jeff Goslin 09-01-2003, 03:18 PM |
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"Michael Hughes" <dapaintschmuck**IZASEXYBEAST**@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:bivqu5$1bu$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > Ahem jeff, sometimes, being able to crank it out on someone makes all the > diffrence. Sometimes... ok. "Sometimes" it makes a difference. More often than not, a single well placed ball is worth a hundred fired from the spray and pray school of paintball, especially for a new player. > yeah, they can hit the target once....but what about the important factor of > shooting a lane, a 98 isnt gonna shoot a lane as well as an angel. While I totally disagree with your statement, it's not really an issue. What is an issue is that we're not talking to someone who is worrying about shooting a lane. We're talking about someone who feels outgunned. An outgunned person thinking that a gun will help them tremendously is not an experienced paintball player. Sure, a fast trigger helps, but nothing can make up for simply being cool under fire. > Once your done there, if you still dont want to grab a REALLY shiny gun, > play with the people with unlimited firepower... i'm telling you though > a 98 custom wont really help when your trying to stay tight. Its a long, > tall, gun. True, but once the original poster figures out what his playing problems are, he's not going to need our help finding a new gun, now is he? > but hell, if you want to look for a shinier gun, look at the Smart Parts > Impulse, around $400 USD and it tosses paint with the best of em. I've heard that's a good recommendation for a shiny new gun. But if you really wanted to help the original poster, Mikey, you might want to advise him to work on his fundamentals rather than relying on his gun. Come to think of it, you'd be well advised to work on your fundamentals as well, given your propensity to post advice for people to rely on spray and pray tactics. Just a thought. -- Jeff Goslin - MCSD It's not a god complex when you're always right http://www.goslin.info |
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[3] Posted by Michael Hughes 09-01-2003, 04:24 PM |
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> > Ahem jeff, sometimes, being able to crank it out on someone makes all
the > > diffrence. > > Sometimes... ok. "Sometimes" it makes a difference. More often than not, a > single well placed ball is worth a hundred fired from the spray and pray > school of paintball, especially for a new player. depends if the new player can aim. There is nothing like tossing a pile of paint and rocking someone's world. > > > yeah, they can hit the target once....but what about the important factor > of > > shooting a lane, a 98 isnt gonna shoot a lane as well as an angel. > > While I totally disagree with your statement Ok jeff, we'll start at the same spot, ok, you shoot a tape with a 98, and i'll do it with my impy, after 2 minutes, the guy on your tape will have gotten farther. , it's not really an issue. > What is an issue is that we're not talking to someone who is worrying about > shooting a lane. We're talking about someone who feels outgunned. Yeah, I felt outgunned once or twice.... oh wait, that was 3v3 with Brain, Todd, and some other dude, who either played for Philly Eclipse or Redz Factory. Yes, I got owned, Yes, it was mad fun, Yes, I bunkered Todd. An > outgunned person thinking that a gun will help them tremendously is not an > experienced paintball player. Tremendously no, but it CAN benifit the player at least a considerable ammount. Sure, a fast trigger helps, but nothing can > make up for simply being cool under fire. very true. Nothing is worse than someone panicking in a bunker. > > > Once your done there, if you still dont want to grab a REALLY shiny gun, > > play with the people with unlimited firepower... i'm telling you though > > a 98 custom wont really help when your trying to stay tight. Its a long, > > tall, gun. > > True, but once the original poster figures out what his playing problems > are, he's not going to need our help finding a new gun, now is he? Not really, but still, Compared to playing with a 98, the Impulse defintatley improved my game, I could play tighter than with a LOOOOONG ass 98 Custom. > > > but hell, if you want to look for a shinier gun, look at the Smart Parts > > Impulse, around $400 USD and it tosses paint with the best of em. > > I've heard that's a good recommendation for a shiny new gun. But if you > really wanted to help the original poster, Mikey, you might want to advise > him to work on his fundamentals rather than relying on his gun. I rely on my gun for some things, but when it comes down to it, paintball is ALLLL angles, who takes this bunker, who moves this tape... Come to > think of it, you'd be well advised to work on your fundamentals as well, > given your propensity to post advice for people to rely on spray and pray > tactics. oh god jeff....if i could i'd come out and "spray and pray" you all the way to the dead box. But anyway, my fundamentals are solid. My team AND I just have to work on this thing called pushing.... see, we dont do it.....and we need to. > > Just a thought. > > -- > Jeff Goslin - MCSD > It's not a god complex when you're always right > http://www.goslin.info > > > > > > Ahem jeff, sometimes, being able to crank it out on someone makes all the > > diffrence. > > Sometimes... ok. "Sometimes" it makes a difference. More often than not, a > single well placed ball is worth a hundred fired from the spray and pray > school of paintball, especially for a new player. depends if the new player can aim. There is nothing like tossing a pile of paint and rocking someone's world. > > > yeah, they can hit the target once....but what about the important factor > of > > shooting a lane, a 98 isnt gonna shoot a lane as well as an angel. > > While I totally disagree with your statement Ok jeff, we'll start at the same spot, ok, you shoot a tape with a 98, and i'll do it with my impy, after 2 minutes, the guy on your tape will have gotten farther. , it's not really an issue. > What is an issue is that we're not talking to someone who is worrying about > shooting a lane. We're talking about someone who feels outgunned. Yeah, I felt outgunned once or twice.... oh wait, that was 3v3 with Brain, Todd, and some other dude, who either played for Philly Eclipse or Redz Factory. Yes, I got owned, Yes, it was mad fun, Yes, I bunkered Todd. An > outgunned person thinking that a gun will help them tremendously is not an > experienced paintball player. Tremendously no, but it CAN benifit the player at least a considerable ammount. Sure, a fast trigger helps, but nothing can > make up for simply being cool under fire. very true. Nothing is worse than someone panicking in a bunker. > > > Once your done there, if you still dont want to grab a REALLY shiny gun, > > play with the people with unlimited firepower... i'm telling you though > > a 98 custom wont really help when your trying to stay tight. Its a long, > > tall, gun. > > True, but once the original poster figures out what his playing problems > are, he's not going to need our help finding a new gun, now is he? Not really, but still, Compared to playing with a 98, the Impulse defintatley improved my game, I could play tighter than with a LOOOOONG ass 98 Custom. > > > but hell, if you want to look for a shinier gun, look at the Smart Parts > > Impulse, around $400 USD and it tosses paint with the best of em. > > I've heard that's a good recommendation for a shiny new gun. But if you > really wanted to help the original poster, Mikey, you might want to advise > him to work on his fundamentals rather than relying on his gun. I rely on my gun for some things, but when it comes down to it, paintball is ALLLL angles, who takes this bunker, who moves this tape... Come to > think of it, you'd be well advised to work on your fundamentals as well, > given your propensity to post advice for people to rely on spray and pray > tactics. oh god jeff....if i could i'd come out and "spray and pray" you all the way to the dead box. But anyway, my fundamentals are solid. My team AND I just have to work on this thing called pushing.... see, we dont do it.....and we need to. > > Just a thought. > > -- > Jeff Goslin - MCSD > It's not a god complex when you're always right > http://www.goslin.info > > > > |
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[4] Posted by The Gunslinger 09-02-2003, 09:17 AM |
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..." or i could just take my impulse, one hand it around
>the bunker, and shoot. Nothing screams newbie more then when I see that type of blind firing. >> > to the dead box. But anyway, my fundamentals are solid. My team AND I >just >> > have to work on this thing called pushing.... see, we dont do it.....and >> we >> > need to. Umm..is that because your one handing it behind your bunker? |
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[5] Posted by The Gunslinger 09-02-2003, 09:22 AM |
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On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:18:10 -0400, "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net>
wrote: >Sometimes... ok. "Sometimes" it makes a difference. More often than not, a >single well placed ball is worth a hundred fired from the spray and pray >school of paintball, especially for a new player. You see Jeff...this is where you don't understand tournament paintball. The "spray and pray" cliche is so over used and so misunderstood. The people doing the majority of spraying are the back line cover players. They are mostly involved with the process of allowing their front players the ability to look and move for better angles to eliminate the opposing players. They are also there to keep the opposing players from moving as well. Eliminations are bonus. So spray and pray does not work. They are shooting the enourmous amounts of paint as a tactic not as a way to eliminate players. Front and middle line players are often snap shooting do to their close quarters. 3 or 4 shot taps are the norm. The players you see "spraying and praying" are typically recreational players just getting into tournament paintball or Fresh tournament players who have yet to understand the game. |
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[6] Posted by Michael Hughes 09-02-2003, 04:27 PM |
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"The Gunslinger" <dddd@dddd.com> wrote in message news:g929lvs67id47ioth4m7o2omhcab7tqgfo@4ax.com... > .." or i could just take my impulse, one hand it around > >the bunker, and shoot. > > Nothing screams newbie more then when I see that type of blind firing. blind firing? no. shooting at a person i can see? yes. > > > >> > to the dead box. But anyway, my fundamentals are solid. My team AND I > >just > >> > have to work on this thing called pushing.... see, we dont do it.....and > >> we > >> > need to. > > Umm..is that because your one handing it behind your bunker? ok, you dont seem to grasp this, sliding into a bunker, you use one arm as a brace ( hits the ground) then you use your other hand to hold your marker.... When you get to your bunker, i dont always put my other hand on the gun right away sometimes i get off a few shots if i need to. troll. > > "The Gunslinger" <dddd@dddd.com> wrote in message news:g929lvs67id47ioth4m7o2omhcab7tqgfo@4ax.com... > .." or i could just take my impulse, one hand it around > >the bunker, and shoot. > > Nothing screams newbie more then when I see that type of blind firing. blind firing? no. shooting at a person i can see? yes. > > > >> > to the dead box. But anyway, my fundamentals are solid. My team AND I > >just > >> > have to work on this thing called pushing.... see, we dont do it.....and > >> we > >> > need to. > > Umm..is that because your one handing it behind your bunker? ok, you dont seem to grasp this, sliding into a bunker, you use one arm as a brace ( hits the ground) then you use your other hand to hold your marker.... When you get to your bunker, i dont always put my other hand on the gun right away sometimes i get off a few shots if i need to. troll. > > |
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[7] Posted by The Gunslinger 09-02-2003, 05:46 PM |
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>ok, you dont seem to grasp this, sliding into a bunker, you use one arm as a >brace ( hits the ground) then you use your other hand to hold your >marker.... When you get to your bunker, i dont always put my other hand on >the gun right away sometimes i get off a few shots if i need to. > >troll. Those few shots...they are accurate? |
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[8] Posted by The Gunslinger 09-02-2003, 05:50 PM |
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>so jeff shooting a lane isnt about hitting the guy that's coming down the
>lane as much as its making sure he doesnt come down the lane.. Correct and wrong. It depends what part of the game your in. On break outs the cover players *are* shooting enourmous amounts of paint down the lane. The reason is to have a constant stream of paint for the opposing player to run through...thus eliminating themselves. Notice..they are not shooting at the opponet as much as guessing where they are going. Later in the game it is to stop forward progression from the opposing team as well as disrupt the plan and thought process of those opposing players. > > >"The Gunslinger" <dddd@dddd.com> wrote in message >news  q19lv4luo3leeoril9sbcosiok47s5n9k@4ax.com.. .>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:18:10 -0400, "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> >> wrote: >> >Sometimes... ok. "Sometimes" it makes a difference. More often than >not, a >> >single well placed ball is worth a hundred fired from the spray and pray >> >school of paintball, especially for a new player. >> >> You see Jeff...this is where you don't understand tournament >> paintball. The "spray and pray" cliche is so over used and so >> misunderstood. >> The people doing the majority of spraying are the back line cover >> players. They are mostly involved with the process of allowing their >> front players the ability to look and move for better angles to >> eliminate the opposing players. They are also there to keep the >> opposing players from moving as well. Eliminations are bonus. So spray >> and pray does not work. They are shooting the enourmous amounts of >> paint as a tactic not as a way to eliminate players. >> Front and middle line players are often snap shooting do to their >> close quarters. 3 or 4 shot taps are the norm. >> The players you see "spraying and praying" are typically recreational >> players just getting into tournament paintball or Fresh tournament >> players who have yet to understand the game. >> >> >true, a back player rarley hits his intended target, but the paint zinging >around said target can break if the player being shot at isnt careful. > >so jeff shooting a lane isnt about hitting the guy that's coming down the >lane as much as its making sure he doesnt come down the lane.. > > >"The Gunslinger" <dddd@dddd.com> wrote in message >news q19lv4luo3leeoril9sbcosiok47s5n9k@4ax.com.. .>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:18:10 -0400, "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> >> wrote: >> >Sometimes... ok. "Sometimes" it makes a difference. More often than >not, a >> >single well placed ball is worth a hundred fired from the spray and pray >> >school of paintball, especially for a new player. >> >> You see Jeff...this is where you don't understand tournament >> paintball. The "spray and pray" cliche is so over used and so >> misunderstood. >> The people doing the majority of spraying are the back line cover >> players. They are mostly involved with the process of allowing their >> front players the ability to look and move for better angles to >> eliminate the opposing players. They are also there to keep the >> opposing players from moving as well. Eliminations are bonus. So spray >> and pray does not work. They are shooting the enourmous amounts of >> paint as a tactic not as a way to eliminate players. >> Front and middle line players are often snap shooting do to their >> close quarters. 3 or 4 shot taps are the norm. >> The players you see "spraying and praying" are typically recreational >> players just getting into tournament paintball or Fresh tournament >> players who have yet to understand the game. >> >> > |
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[9] Posted by Space Cadet 09-02-2003, 06:01 PM |
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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:50:18 GMT, The Gunslinger <dddd@dddd.com>
wrote: >>so jeff shooting a lane isnt about hitting the guy that's coming down the >>lane as much as its making sure he doesnt come down the lane.. > >Correct and wrong. It depends what part of the game your in. On break >outs the cover players *are* shooting enourmous amounts of paint down >the lane. The reason is to have a constant stream of paint for the >opposing player to run through...thus eliminating themselves. >Notice..they are not shooting at the opponet as much as guessing where >they are going. > >Later in the game it is to stop forward progression from the opposing >team as well as disrupt the plan and thought process of those opposing >players. > > Serious question from a non-tournament experienced player..... Are you referring to the practice of shooting the crap out of someone's bunker even though you can't see them, and know you can't hit them? I have seen a couple of tournament matches and was wondering if that was the intent....seems relatively fruitless to me...any decent player would know they were not hitable, and to me it just gives away which part of the bunker you are aiming at!, thus giving your oppoonent an open "look" out the other side....I dunno...am I missing something here? SC |
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[10] Posted by Michael Hughes 09-02-2003, 06:28 PM |
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not really, theyre not supposed to be carefully aimed, just enough to pull
my ass out of the fire. "The Gunslinger" <dddd@dddd.com> wrote in message news:fa0alvk91j480p5mld6tnskk7vtk26d2o7@4ax.com... > > >ok, you dont seem to grasp this, sliding into a bunker, you use one arm as a > >brace ( hits the ground) then you use your other hand to hold your > >marker.... When you get to your bunker, i dont always put my other hand on > >the gun right away sometimes i get off a few shots if i need to. > > > >troll. > > Those few shots...they are accurate? > > > > not really, theyre not supposed to be carefully aimed, just enough to pull my ass out of the fire. "The Gunslinger" <dddd@dddd.com> wrote in message news:fa0alvk91j480p5mld6tnskk7vtk26d2o7@4ax.com... > > >ok, you dont seem to grasp this, sliding into a bunker, you use one arm as a > >brace ( hits the ground) then you use your other hand to hold your > >marker.... When you get to your bunker, i dont always put my other hand on > >the gun right away sometimes i get off a few shots if i need to. > > > >troll. > > Those few shots...they are accurate? > > > > |
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