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Michael Hughes
[1] Posted by Michael Hughes 07-30-2003, 12:34 PM
 
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if its a manufactuer problem, its not thiers.

Call PMI...your local store/field wont do anything.

"Nick W." <nosp@m.com> wrote in message
news:8sCcnQPugZy1frqiXTWJjw@comcast.com...
> This was originally going to be a reply to the "how often do you play"
> thread, but I'm very frustrated with these goons right now, So I thought
> I'd just put it out here...
>
>
> I haven't played in over a month thanks to the kind folks at Outdoor
> Adventures in MD. They sold me a piranha w/ a e-force that broke the

second
> time I used it. It's obviously a manufacturer defect with the electronics
> but they won't replace it, and even after being given explicit examples

of
> what the symptoms are and how to recreate them, still denied initially
> there was even anything wrong!!!!
>
> When I finally convinced them it wasn't user error and there was a real
> problem, they insisted on sending it out to PMI which I was told could

take
> up to 2 weeks, I wasn't happy about it but I figured I would just let them
> go through the proper channels.....It's been a month now and whenever I

call
> for an update they say "oh I'll check on it and call you back" Sometimes
> they take my name and phone number (or at least pretend to) and I NEVER

hear
> back from them (0 fer 4)! Then when I call and actually press for an

update
> they act like I'm a nuisance, or like I should already KNOW the entire
> process and TRUST in their half assed blow-offs they call explanations,
> which usually go something like "Nah, we haven't received anything from
> PMI, they still have it..call back in a few days". I'm sorry but if it's
> only supposed to take 2 weeks and it's been a month THERE MIGHT BE A

FUCKING
> PROBLEM! But they're unwilling to investigate and get me a real answer. I
> hate having to battle with customer service and I don't have the time to
> squabble over something like this. At the rate this is going though,

summer
> will be fucking over before I get my "new" gun back!
>
> I originally thought the store was awesome, but now it looks like it's

run
> by a bunch of lazy elitist 30 yr olds who don't feel that my $180 purchase
> is really worth the effort of offering real customer service....Which is

too
> bad b/c I was considering using my Coast Guard signing bonus on a shopping
> spree there..but NOT ANYMORE!
>
>
> OTOH I do have my old spyder that I usually loan out during games, I

guess
> I could use that again...Just sucks to spend money and have nothing to

show
> for it....
>
> -Nick
>
>
>



 
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Nick W.
[2] Posted by Nick W. 07-30-2003, 01:13 PM
 
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> if its a manufactuer problem, its not thiers.

1.OA is supposed to be an authorized service center....they couldn't fix the
problem and they don't want to give me an exchange, and the "service" I'm
getting sucks.

2. I bought it from them, not directly from the manufacturer. I think they
should've taken the barely-used defective gun back and exchanged it for a
new one. I don't know any other retailers who won't exchange defective
items within 30 days.

3. If they can't handle their business then they should tell me off the jump
I have to call PMI directly and then give me a contact number.

> Call PMI...your local store/field wont do anything.

Once again, They advertise they're an authorized service center which leads
me to believe any problems with the gun will be handled there, And if THEY
shipped it out to PMI then I'd like to think THEY can tell me what the
status of it is OR direct me to the proper place....not promise a callback
that will never happen.



"Michael Hughes" <dapaintschmuck**IZASEXYBEAST**@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:bg8oj1$2hm$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> if its a manufactuer problem, its not thiers.
>
> Call PMI...your local store/field wont do anything.
>
> "Nick W." <nosp@m.com> wrote in message
> news:8sCcnQPugZy1frqiXTWJjw@comcast.com...
> > This was originally going to be a reply to the "how often do you play"
> > thread, but I'm very frustrated with these goons right now, So I

thought
> > I'd just put it out here...
> >
> >
> > I haven't played in over a month thanks to the kind folks at Outdoor
> > Adventures in MD. They sold me a piranha w/ a e-force that broke the

> second
> > time I used it. It's obviously a manufacturer defect with the

electronics
> > but they won't replace it, and even after being given explicit examples

> of
> > what the symptoms are and how to recreate them, still denied initially
> > there was even anything wrong!!!!
> >
> > When I finally convinced them it wasn't user error and there was a real
> > problem, they insisted on sending it out to PMI which I was told could

> take
> > up to 2 weeks, I wasn't happy about it but I figured I would just let

them
> > go through the proper channels.....It's been a month now and whenever I

> call
> > for an update they say "oh I'll check on it and call you back"

Sometimes
> > they take my name and phone number (or at least pretend to) and I NEVER

> hear
> > back from them (0 fer 4)! Then when I call and actually press for an

> update
> > they act like I'm a nuisance, or like I should already KNOW the entire
> > process and TRUST in their half assed blow-offs they call explanations,
> > which usually go something like "Nah, we haven't received anything from
> > PMI, they still have it..call back in a few days". I'm sorry but if

it's
> > only supposed to take 2 weeks and it's been a month THERE MIGHT BE A

> FUCKING
> > PROBLEM! But they're unwilling to investigate and get me a real answer.

I
> > hate having to battle with customer service and I don't have the time to
> > squabble over something like this. At the rate this is going though,

> summer
> > will be fucking over before I get my "new" gun back!
> >
> > I originally thought the store was awesome, but now it looks like it's

> run
> > by a bunch of lazy elitist 30 yr olds who don't feel that my $180

purchase
> > is really worth the effort of offering real customer service....Which is

> too
> > bad b/c I was considering using my Coast Guard signing bonus on a

shopping
> > spree there..but NOT ANYMORE!
> >
> >
> > OTOH I do have my old spyder that I usually loan out during games, I

> guess
> > I could use that again...Just sucks to spend money and have nothing to

> show
> > for it....
> >
> > -Nick
> >
> >
> >

>
>



 
Insane Ranter
[3] Posted by Insane Ranter 07-30-2003, 01:14 PM
 
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"Michael Hughes" <dapaintschmuck**IZASEXYBEAST**@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:bg8oj1$2hm$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> if its a manufactuer problem, its not thiers.
>
> Call PMI...your local store/field wont do anything.


And if they keep up their current status of customer service they won't be
doing anything still......



 
LCT Paintball
[4] Posted by LCT Paintball 07-30-2003, 01:53 PM
 
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WRONG. If a customer is not happy, it's very much the store's problem. I
wouldn't treat a customer like that, and neither would anybody who wants to
stay in business. PMI is known to have excellent customer service. If he's
having trouble, it's likely with the local store, not PMI.
I would consider turning them in to PMI. If they get enough complaints
they'll quit doing business with them.

--
"Don't be misled, bad company corrupts good character."
www.LCTPaintball.com



"Michael Hughes" <dapaintschmuck**IZASEXYBEAST**@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:bg8oj1$2hm$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> if its a manufactuer problem, its not thiers.
>
> Call PMI...your local store/field wont do anything.
>
> "Nick W." <nosp@m.com> wrote in message
> news:8sCcnQPugZy1frqiXTWJjw@comcast.com...
> > This was originally going to be a reply to the "how often do you play"
> > thread, but I'm very frustrated with these goons right now, So I

thought
> > I'd just put it out here...
> >
> >
> > I haven't played in over a month thanks to the kind folks at Outdoor
> > Adventures in MD. They sold me a piranha w/ a e-force that broke the

> second
> > time I used it. It's obviously a manufacturer defect with the

electronics
> > but they won't replace it, and even after being given explicit examples

> of
> > what the symptoms are and how to recreate them, still denied initially
> > there was even anything wrong!!!!
> >
> > When I finally convinced them it wasn't user error and there was a real
> > problem, they insisted on sending it out to PMI which I was told could

> take
> > up to 2 weeks, I wasn't happy about it but I figured I would just let

them
> > go through the proper channels.....It's been a month now and whenever I

> call
> > for an update they say "oh I'll check on it and call you back"

Sometimes
> > they take my name and phone number (or at least pretend to) and I NEVER

> hear
> > back from them (0 fer 4)! Then when I call and actually press for an

> update
> > they act like I'm a nuisance, or like I should already KNOW the entire
> > process and TRUST in their half assed blow-offs they call explanations,
> > which usually go something like "Nah, we haven't received anything from
> > PMI, they still have it..call back in a few days". I'm sorry but if

it's
> > only supposed to take 2 weeks and it's been a month THERE MIGHT BE A

> FUCKING
> > PROBLEM! But they're unwilling to investigate and get me a real answer.

I
> > hate having to battle with customer service and I don't have the time to
> > squabble over something like this. At the rate this is going though,

> summer
> > will be fucking over before I get my "new" gun back!
> >
> > I originally thought the store was awesome, but now it looks like it's

> run
> > by a bunch of lazy elitist 30 yr olds who don't feel that my $180

purchase
> > is really worth the effort of offering real customer service....Which is

> too
> > bad b/c I was considering using my Coast Guard signing bonus on a

shopping
> > spree there..but NOT ANYMORE!
> >
> >
> > OTOH I do have my old spyder that I usually loan out during games, I

> guess
> > I could use that again...Just sucks to spend money and have nothing to

> show
> > for it....
> >
> > -Nick
> >
> >
> >

>
>



 
Jose I. Sanchez
[5] Posted by Jose I. Sanchez 07-30-2003, 03:01 PM
 
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Quote
Ditto. Withing 30 days I DEFINITELY consider your purchase my
responsibility and if they are a certified service center, there is no
excuse for the poor treatment people might be receiving.

Jose


"LCT Paintball" <nospampleasemnotlyon@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:YJSVa.20510$o%2.11730@sccrnsc02...
> WRONG. If a customer is not happy, it's very much the store's problem. I
> wouldn't treat a customer like that, and neither would anybody who wants

to
> stay in business. PMI is known to have excellent customer service. If he's
> having trouble, it's likely with the local store, not PMI.
> I would consider turning them in to PMI. If they get enough complaints
> they'll quit doing business with them.
>
> --
> "Don't be misled, bad company corrupts good character."
> www.LCTPaintball.com
>
>
>
> "Michael Hughes" <dapaintschmuck**IZASEXYBEAST**@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:bg8oj1$2hm$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> > if its a manufactuer problem, its not thiers.
> >
> > Call PMI...your local store/field wont do anything.
> >
> > "Nick W." <nosp@m.com> wrote in message
> > news:8sCcnQPugZy1frqiXTWJjw@comcast.com...
> > > This was originally going to be a reply to the "how often do you play"
> > > thread, but I'm very frustrated with these goons right now, So I

> thought
> > > I'd just put it out here...
> > >
> > >
> > > I haven't played in over a month thanks to the kind folks at Outdoor
> > > Adventures in MD. They sold me a piranha w/ a e-force that broke the

> > second
> > > time I used it. It's obviously a manufacturer defect with the

> electronics
> > > but they won't replace it, and even after being given explicit

examples
> > of
> > > what the symptoms are and how to recreate them, still denied

initially
> > > there was even anything wrong!!!!
> > >
> > > When I finally convinced them it wasn't user error and there was a

real
> > > problem, they insisted on sending it out to PMI which I was told could

> > take
> > > up to 2 weeks, I wasn't happy about it but I figured I would just let

> them
> > > go through the proper channels.....It's been a month now and whenever

I
> > call
> > > for an update they say "oh I'll check on it and call you back"

> Sometimes
> > > they take my name and phone number (or at least pretend to) and I

NEVER
> > hear
> > > back from them (0 fer 4)! Then when I call and actually press for an

> > update
> > > they act like I'm a nuisance, or like I should already KNOW the

entire
> > > process and TRUST in their half assed blow-offs they call

explanations,
> > > which usually go something like "Nah, we haven't received anything

from
> > > PMI, they still have it..call back in a few days". I'm sorry but if

> it's
> > > only supposed to take 2 weeks and it's been a month THERE MIGHT BE A

> > FUCKING
> > > PROBLEM! But they're unwilling to investigate and get me a real

answer.
> I
> > > hate having to battle with customer service and I don't have the time

to
> > > squabble over something like this. At the rate this is going though,

> > summer
> > > will be fucking over before I get my "new" gun back!
> > >
> > > I originally thought the store was awesome, but now it looks like

it's
> > run
> > > by a bunch of lazy elitist 30 yr olds who don't feel that my $180

> purchase
> > > is really worth the effort of offering real customer service....Which

is
> > too
> > > bad b/c I was considering using my Coast Guard signing bonus on a

> shopping
> > > spree there..but NOT ANYMORE!
> > >
> > >
> > > OTOH I do have my old spyder that I usually loan out during games, I

> > guess
> > > I could use that again...Just sucks to spend money and have nothing to

> > show
> > > for it....
> > >
> > > -Nick
> > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



 
Michael Hughes
[6] Posted by Michael Hughes 07-30-2003, 07:28 PM
 
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Quote
true, within 30 days....

but after a reasonable ammount of time the manufacturer should handle all
repairs.



"Jose I. Sanchez" <dahose@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:vig23137m42mf6@corp.supernews.com...
> Ditto. Withing 30 days I DEFINITELY consider your purchase my
> responsibility and if they are a certified service center, there is no
> excuse for the poor treatment people might be receiving.
>
> Jose
>
>
> "LCT Paintball" <nospampleasemnotlyon@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> news:YJSVa.20510$o%2.11730@sccrnsc02...
> > WRONG. If a customer is not happy, it's very much the store's problem. I
> > wouldn't treat a customer like that, and neither would anybody who wants

> to
> > stay in business. PMI is known to have excellent customer service. If

he's
> > having trouble, it's likely with the local store, not PMI.
> > I would consider turning them in to PMI. If they get enough complaints
> > they'll quit doing business with them.
> >
> > --
> > "Don't be misled, bad company corrupts good character."
> > www.LCTPaintball.com
> >
> >
> >
> > "Michael Hughes" <dapaintschmuck**IZASEXYBEAST**@rcn.com> wrote in

message
> > news:bg8oj1$2hm$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> > > if its a manufactuer problem, its not thiers.
> > >
> > > Call PMI...your local store/field wont do anything.
> > >
> > > "Nick W." <nosp@m.com> wrote in message
> > > news:8sCcnQPugZy1frqiXTWJjw@comcast.com...
> > > > This was originally going to be a reply to the "how often do you

play"
> > > > thread, but I'm very frustrated with these goons right now, So I

> > thought
> > > > I'd just put it out here...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I haven't played in over a month thanks to the kind folks at Outdoor
> > > > Adventures in MD. They sold me a piranha w/ a e-force that broke

the
> > > second
> > > > time I used it. It's obviously a manufacturer defect with the

> > electronics
> > > > but they won't replace it, and even after being given explicit

> examples
> > > of
> > > > what the symptoms are and how to recreate them, still denied

> initially
> > > > there was even anything wrong!!!!
> > > >
> > > > When I finally convinced them it wasn't user error and there was a

> real
> > > > problem, they insisted on sending it out to PMI which I was told

could
> > > take
> > > > up to 2 weeks, I wasn't happy about it but I figured I would just

let
> > them
> > > > go through the proper channels.....It's been a month now and

whenever
> I
> > > call
> > > > for an update they say "oh I'll check on it and call you back"

> > Sometimes
> > > > they take my name and phone number (or at least pretend to) and I

> NEVER
> > > hear
> > > > back from them (0 fer 4)! Then when I call and actually press for

an
> > > update
> > > > they act like I'm a nuisance, or like I should already KNOW the

> entire
> > > > process and TRUST in their half assed blow-offs they call

> explanations,
> > > > which usually go something like "Nah, we haven't received anything

> from
> > > > PMI, they still have it..call back in a few days". I'm sorry but

if
> > it's
> > > > only supposed to take 2 weeks and it's been a month THERE MIGHT BE A
> > > FUCKING
> > > > PROBLEM! But they're unwilling to investigate and get me a real

> answer.
> > I
> > > > hate having to battle with customer service and I don't have the

time
> to
> > > > squabble over something like this. At the rate this is going though,
> > > summer
> > > > will be fucking over before I get my "new" gun back!
> > > >
> > > > I originally thought the store was awesome, but now it looks like

> it's
> > > run
> > > > by a bunch of lazy elitist 30 yr olds who don't feel that my $180

> > purchase
> > > > is really worth the effort of offering real customer

service....Which
> is
> > > too
> > > > bad b/c I was considering using my Coast Guard signing bonus on a

> > shopping
> > > > spree there..but NOT ANYMORE!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > OTOH I do have my old spyder that I usually loan out during games,

I
> > > guess
> > > > I could use that again...Just sucks to spend money and have nothing

to
> > > show
> > > > for it....
> > > >
> > > > -Nick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



 
Jose I. Sanchez
[7] Posted by Jose I. Sanchez 07-30-2003, 11:51 PM
 
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Quote
Definitely. He mentioned in another section of the thread that OA is an
authorized service center. Sounds like really bad service all around to me.
Course we have only heard one side. Anyone else deal with OA?

Jose


"Michael Hughes" <dapaintschmuck**IZASEXYBEAST**@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:bg9gq0$n59$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> true, within 30 days....
>
> but after a reasonable ammount of time the manufacturer should handle all
> repairs.
>
>
>
> "Jose I. Sanchez" <dahose@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> news:vig23137m42mf6@corp.supernews.com...
> > Ditto. Withing 30 days I DEFINITELY consider your purchase my
> > responsibility and if they are a certified service center, there is no
> > excuse for the poor treatment people might be receiving.
> >
> > Jose
> >
> >
> > "LCT Paintball" <nospampleasemnotlyon@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> > news:YJSVa.20510$o%2.11730@sccrnsc02...
> > > WRONG. If a customer is not happy, it's very much the store's problem.

I
> > > wouldn't treat a customer like that, and neither would anybody who

wants
> > to
> > > stay in business. PMI is known to have excellent customer service. If

> he's
> > > having trouble, it's likely with the local store, not PMI.
> > > I would consider turning them in to PMI. If they get enough complaints
> > > they'll quit doing business with them.
> > >
> > > --
> > > "Don't be misled, bad company corrupts good character."
> > > www.LCTPaintball.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Michael Hughes" <dapaintschmuck**IZASEXYBEAST**@rcn.com> wrote in

> message
> > > news:bg8oj1$2hm$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> > > > if its a manufactuer problem, its not thiers.
> > > >
> > > > Call PMI...your local store/field wont do anything.
> > > >
> > > > "Nick W." <nosp@m.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:8sCcnQPugZy1frqiXTWJjw@comcast.com...
> > > > > This was originally going to be a reply to the "how often do you

> play"
> > > > > thread, but I'm very frustrated with these goons right now, So I
> > > thought
> > > > > I'd just put it out here...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't played in over a month thanks to the kind folks at

Outdoor
> > > > > Adventures in MD. They sold me a piranha w/ a e-force that broke

> the
> > > > second
> > > > > time I used it. It's obviously a manufacturer defect with the
> > > electronics
> > > > > but they won't replace it, and even after being given explicit

> > examples
> > > > of
> > > > > what the symptoms are and how to recreate them, still denied

> > initially
> > > > > there was even anything wrong!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > When I finally convinced them it wasn't user error and there was a

> > real
> > > > > problem, they insisted on sending it out to PMI which I was told

> could
> > > > take
> > > > > up to 2 weeks, I wasn't happy about it but I figured I would just

> let
> > > them
> > > > > go through the proper channels.....It's been a month now and

> whenever
> > I
> > > > call
> > > > > for an update they say "oh I'll check on it and call you back"
> > > Sometimes
> > > > > they take my name and phone number (or at least pretend to) and I

> > NEVER
> > > > hear
> > > > > back from them (0 fer 4)! Then when I call and actually press for

> an
> > > > update
> > > > > they act like I'm a nuisance, or like I should already KNOW the

> > entire
> > > > > process and TRUST in their half assed blow-offs they call

> > explanations,
> > > > > which usually go something like "Nah, we haven't received

anything
> > from
> > > > > PMI, they still have it..call back in a few days". I'm sorry but

> if
> > > it's
> > > > > only supposed to take 2 weeks and it's been a month THERE MIGHT BE

A
> > > > FUCKING
> > > > > PROBLEM! But they're unwilling to investigate and get me a real

> > answer.
> > > I
> > > > > hate having to battle with customer service and I don't have the

> time
> > to
> > > > > squabble over something like this. At the rate this is going

though,
> > > > summer
> > > > > will be fucking over before I get my "new" gun back!
> > > > >
> > > > > I originally thought the store was awesome, but now it looks like

> > it's
> > > > run
> > > > > by a bunch of lazy elitist 30 yr olds who don't feel that my $180
> > > purchase
> > > > > is really worth the effort of offering real customer

> service....Which
> > is
> > > > too
> > > > > bad b/c I was considering using my Coast Guard signing bonus on a
> > > shopping
> > > > > spree there..but NOT ANYMORE!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > OTOH I do have my old spyder that I usually loan out during games,

> I
> > > > guess
> > > > > I could use that again...Just sucks to spend money and have

nothing
> to
> > > > show
> > > > > for it....
> > > > >
> > > > > -Nick
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



 
P8ntGuns4Sale
[8] Posted by P8ntGuns4Sale 07-31-2003, 01:21 AM
 
Posts: n/a


Quote
>Subject: Re: Outdoor Adventures in MD sucks.
>From: "Jose I. Sanchez" dahose@dslextreme.com
>Date: 7/30/2003 10:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <vih2rfkkfc2c40@corp.supernews.com>
>
>Definitely. He mentioned in another section of the thread that OA is an
>authorized service center. Sounds like really bad service all around to me.
>Course we have only heard one side. Anyone else deal with OA?
>
>Jose


I don't really "deal" with OA, but it sounds as though the problem lies w/ a
lazy employee of the store. I've known the owners of OA's field and store for
many many years, and that doesn't sound as though you're dealing w/ them
directly. My advice is to call the store and ask to speak w/ either Bill S. or
Lee D. either of those two gentleman should be a bit more help if you're
getting nowhere w/ the employees. Don't get me wrong, I'm making no excuses for
them by saying it's the employee(s) but regardless, this should be brought to
the attention of either Lee or Bill, and be sure to mention who you've been
dealing with in regards to this matter.

HTH,
Todd
 
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