I don't think paintball is fun, but I play all the damn time.

I am a glutton for punishment.

I hate myself.


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EDTHEWARD

"EAT PAINT, YOU FRIGGIN'...um.. NON-MATRIX...er...SHOOTER PERSON!!"

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"Michael Hughes" <dapaintschmuck@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:bens3b$gqa$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> but dan, no one would PLAY it if it wasnt fun.
>
> and people play
>
> "Daniel Martin" <dwmartin@idirect.com> wrote in message
> news:vgu7joi0o7c626@corp.supernews.com...
> > What, were the site says " the way paintbal was meant to be", HA, maybe
> you
> > were meant to be on your knees performing felatio to every jersey
wearing
> > tourneyt player, cuz heck , I said so on a website.....
> >
> > Really Mike, The NPPL has an interest in paintball being a sup air/
> > spoeedball format, it's called $$$$, not fun, not recreation, $$$$.
> > Employment, concesions, ticket prices, entry fees, yoiu don't get them
> from
> > plaing woods ball, so of cousre the NPPL is going to say "; the way it
> was
> > meant to be". But who gave them the crystal balls to see the way the
past
> > was supposedly meant to pan out.
> >
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Michael Hughes" <dapaintschmuck@rcn.com> wrote in message
> > news:belaid$7nj$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> > > www.nppl.com
> > >
> > > nuff said.
> > >
> > > "Daniel Martin" <dwmartin@idirect.com> wrote in message
> > > news:vgpifmmfsks148@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > HEy Jeff, I just have to wade in here.
> > > > Paintball. a game where two teams are designated, an objective is
> > > > determined ;Capture the flag, hold the fort, etc. The two teams
> point
> > > > barrelled deviced which emit a projectile at eachother. If one is
hit
> > with
> > > > this projectile, (and if it breaks) one is eliminated, much like
> getting
> > > > shot. Players may hide behind objects, run, and evade eachother to
> avoid
> > > > being shot or hit with the projectile. Victory is absolute if the
> > > opposing
> > > > team is completely eliminated.
> > > > Large games are are often patterend after historic battels or
military
> > > > skirmishes, and include mock arial support, tanks spies.
> > > > Smaller games can have a military flavout. such as capture the
downed
> > > pilot
> > > > , where two teams search for a lightly armed pilot, one to shoot the
> > > pilot,
> > > > and the other to rescue him/her.
> > > > Some player een renact military history, by limiting their firing
> > > > capabilities by removing the hopper and playing " civil war,
dropping
> > one
> > > > ball at a time down the feed tube.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, who is this not warlike???????
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > "4.9 would also be considered around 5 secs.
> > > > Haven't you noticed. I don't care what someone don't smart enough
to
> go
> > > to
> > > > college thinks
> > > > I'm really curious too stupid for college."
> > > > SCM
> > > >
> > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/jsmarshall/roster/dan.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > > newsyydnfOyDLUpfJaiXTWJjw@comcast.com...
> > > > > "Trench Raider" <mwolverton@hot.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:67FOa.49988$XV.3148816@twister.austin.rr.com. ..
> > > > > > Go for it. However I think I might get more amusment out of
> Mickey.
> > > > It's
> > > > > > always fun to watch someone who can't debate their way out of a
> > paper
> > > > bag
> > > > > > flail about.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is, isn't it? Funny you should say that... <irony meter blasts
> > > across
> > > > > table>
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Your definition of paintball is that it is a wargame(with no
> > > > supporting
> > > > > > > points, I might add). It's just simply that "paintball is a
> > > wargame".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrong. Let me say this one more time. A wargame is: "a game or
> > > > exercise
> > > > > > that depicts or simulates armed conflict". By this definition
it
> is
> > > > quite
> > > > > > impossible to argue that paintball is not, at it's root, a
> wargame.
> > > You
> > > > > are
> > > > > > implying that "paintball is a waragame because I say it is".
That
> > is
> > > > > simply
> > > > > > not the case.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, again, in an extreme case of irony at it's most pure, you
> state
> > > that
> > > > > it is "impossible to argue that paintball is not, at it's root, a
> > > > wargame",
> > > > > without providing ANY of the logical steps in the progression to
> draw
> > > that
> > > > > conclusion. Your definition must have some intervening steps in
> order
> > > to
> > > > be
> > > > > applied to paintball. It simply MUST have some, because if it did
> > not,
> > > it
> > > > > could not apply to paintball at all, because paintball, in it's
> > current
> > > > > state, is NOT representative of armed conflict, in the truest
sense,
> > in
> > > > any
> > > > > way, shape or form.
> > > > >
> > > > > A game or exercise that depicts or simulates armed conflict must
do
> so
> > > > > accurately in order to be classified as a wargame. The less
> accurate
> > > the
> > > > > representation, the less likely what we are experiencing is a
> wargame.
> > > Is
> > > > > Pacman a wargame? Well, the dude is running from enemies and
then,
> > when
> > > > he
> > > > > is properly equipped, he attacks them... Perhaps something a
little
> > > > closer
> > > > > to home. Quake, or any of the other FPS's? I can't remember the
> last
> > > > time
> > > > > I got shot, grenaded, rocket launched, chainsawed and lasered more
> > than
> > > 50
> > > > > times without dying. Wargame? Many people would argue it is, CQB
> > > > training
> > > > > and all that... something to think about.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Call a spade a spade. It's not "tag with markers".
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps not, but you have not shown it to be otherwise. "Tag with
> > > > markers".
> > > > > Let's break it down, shall we.
> > > > >
> > > > > A marker is *A* word used by *SOME* paintball enthusiasts to
> represent
> > > the
> > > > > projectile propelling device used in the sport, used instead of
> "gun"
> > to
> > > > > specifically differentiate between the lethal and unpopular(with
the
> > > left)
> > > > > firearm and the items used in the sport of paintball. Some
> paintball
> > > > > players refuse to use the word marker, but still know what the
> person
> > > > using
> > > > > the term is referring to. People external to the sport may not
> > realize
> > > > what
> > > > > a marker is, and this allows for a paintball friendly explanation
to
> > be
> > > > > offered. Regrettably, *SOME* people think it is a waste of time
to
> > > > promote
> > > > > the sport in a paintball friendly manner, and instead insist on
> > > reverting
> > > > to
> > > > > a nihilistic presentation of the facts. And we thank them for
their
> > > > > support. Not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tag... well, it's not "tag, you're it", it's "tag, you're out".
The
> > > > entire,
> > > > > central idea in the game of tag is to touch someone, hence the
name.
> > > > While
> > > > > the effects of this touch in the childrens game are slightly
> different
> > > > from
> > > > > our game, it is no less a game of tag when we are trying to
"touch"
> > > > others,
> > > > > our touch of choice being a paintball splat, our result being the
> > > > > elimination of an opposing player.
> > > > >
> > > > > I feel I have supported the notion that paintball may be referred
> to,
> > in
> > > > > broad terms, as "tag with markers". I feel that you have not
shown
> it
> > > to
> > > > be
> > > > > a wargame. Convince me otherwise. I am open to the possibility
> that
> > > you
> > > > > may have some insights that you haven't bothered to share with us
> yet,
> > > so
> > > > > please do so.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jeff Goslin - MCSD
> > > > > It's not a god complex when you're always right
> > > > > http://www.goslin.info
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

everything you just said Dan represents a SPORT ! sorry you stepped on your
own self.
"Daniel Martin" <dwmartin@idirect.com> wrote in message
news:vgu7joi0o7c626@corp.supernews.com...
> What, were the site says " the way paintbal was meant to be", HA, maybe
you
> were meant to be on your knees performing felatio to every jersey wearing
> tourneyt player, cuz heck , I said so on a website.....
>
> Really Mike, The NPPL has an interest in paintball being a sup air/
> spoeedball format, it's called $$$$, not fun, not recreation, $$$$.
> Employment, concesions, ticket prices, entry fees, yoiu don't get them
from
> plaing woods ball, so of cousre the NPPL is going to say "; the way it
was
> meant to be". But who gave them the crystal balls to see the way the past
> was supposedly meant to pan out.
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
> "Michael Hughes" <dapaintschmuck@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:belaid$7nj$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> > www.nppl.com
> >
> > nuff said.
> >
> > "Daniel Martin" <dwmartin@idirect.com> wrote in message
> > news:vgpifmmfsks148@corp.supernews.com...
> > > HEy Jeff, I just have to wade in here.
> > > Paintball. a game where two teams are designated, an objective is
> > > determined ;Capture the flag, hold the fort, etc. The two teams
point
> > > barrelled deviced which emit a projectile at eachother. If one is hit
> with
> > > this projectile, (and if it breaks) one is eliminated, much like
getting
> > > shot. Players may hide behind objects, run, and evade eachother to
avoid
> > > being shot or hit with the projectile. Victory is absolute if the
> > opposing
> > > team is completely eliminated.
> > > Large games are are often patterend after historic battels or military
> > > skirmishes, and include mock arial support, tanks spies.
> > > Smaller games can have a military flavout. such as capture the downed
> > pilot
> > > , where two teams search for a lightly armed pilot, one to shoot the
> > pilot,
> > > and the other to rescue him/her.
> > > Some player een renact military history, by limiting their firing
> > > capabilities by removing the hopper and playing " civil war, dropping
> one
> > > ball at a time down the feed tube.
> > >
> > >
> > > So, who is this not warlike???????
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > "4.9 would also be considered around 5 secs.
> > > Haven't you noticed. I don't care what someone don't smart enough to
go
> > to
> > > college thinks
> > > I'm really curious too stupid for college."
> > > SCM
> > >
> > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/jsmarshall/roster/dan.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > newsyydnfOyDLUpfJaiXTWJjw@comcast.com...
> > > > "Trench Raider" <mwolverton@hot.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:67FOa.49988$XV.3148816@twister.austin.rr.com. ..
> > > > > Go for it. However I think I might get more amusment out of
Mickey.
> > > It's
> > > > > always fun to watch someone who can't debate their way out of a
> paper
> > > bag
> > > > > flail about.
> > > >
> > > > It is, isn't it? Funny you should say that... <irony meter blasts
> > across
> > > > table>
> > > >
> > > > > > Your definition of paintball is that it is a wargame(with no
> > > supporting
> > > > > > points, I might add). It's just simply that "paintball is a
> > wargame".
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong. Let me say this one more time. A wargame is: "a game or
> > > exercise
> > > > > that depicts or simulates armed conflict". By this definition it
is
> > > quite
> > > > > impossible to argue that paintball is not, at it's root, a
wargame.
> > You
> > > > are
> > > > > implying that "paintball is a waragame because I say it is". That
> is
> > > > simply
> > > > > not the case.
> > > >
> > > > Well, again, in an extreme case of irony at it's most pure, you
state
> > that
> > > > it is "impossible to argue that paintball is not, at it's root, a
> > > wargame",
> > > > without providing ANY of the logical steps in the progression to
draw
> > that
> > > > conclusion. Your definition must have some intervening steps in
order
> > to
> > > be
> > > > applied to paintball. It simply MUST have some, because if it did
> not,
> > it
> > > > could not apply to paintball at all, because paintball, in it's
> current
> > > > state, is NOT representative of armed conflict, in the truest sense,
> in
> > > any
> > > > way, shape or form.
> > > >
> > > > A game or exercise that depicts or simulates armed conflict must do
so
> > > > accurately in order to be classified as a wargame. The less
accurate
> > the
> > > > representation, the less likely what we are experiencing is a
wargame.
> > Is
> > > > Pacman a wargame? Well, the dude is running from enemies and then,
> when
> > > he
> > > > is properly equipped, he attacks them... Perhaps something a little
> > > closer
> > > > to home. Quake, or any of the other FPS's? I can't remember the
last
> > > time
> > > > I got shot, grenaded, rocket launched, chainsawed and lasered more
> than
> > 50
> > > > times without dying. Wargame? Many people would argue it is, CQB
> > > training
> > > > and all that... something to think about.
> > > >
> > > > > Call a spade a spade. It's not "tag with markers".
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps not, but you have not shown it to be otherwise. "Tag with
> > > markers".
> > > > Let's break it down, shall we.
> > > >
> > > > A marker is *A* word used by *SOME* paintball enthusiasts to
represent
> > the
> > > > projectile propelling device used in the sport, used instead of
"gun"
> to
> > > > specifically differentiate between the lethal and unpopular(with the
> > left)
> > > > firearm and the items used in the sport of paintball. Some
paintball
> > > > players refuse to use the word marker, but still know what the
person
> > > using
> > > > the term is referring to. People external to the sport may not
> realize
> > > what
> > > > a marker is, and this allows for a paintball friendly explanation to
> be
> > > > offered. Regrettably, *SOME* people think it is a waste of time to
> > > promote
> > > > the sport in a paintball friendly manner, and instead insist on
> > reverting
> > > to
> > > > a nihilistic presentation of the facts. And we thank them for their
> > > > support. Not.
> > > >
> > > > Tag... well, it's not "tag, you're it", it's "tag, you're out". The
> > > entire,
> > > > central idea in the game of tag is to touch someone, hence the name.
> > > While
> > > > the effects of this touch in the childrens game are slightly
different
> > > from
> > > > our game, it is no less a game of tag when we are trying to "touch"
> > > others,
> > > > our touch of choice being a paintball splat, our result being the
> > > > elimination of an opposing player.
> > > >
> > > > I feel I have supported the notion that paintball may be referred
to,
> in
> > > > broad terms, as "tag with markers". I feel that you have not shown
it
> > to
> > > be
> > > > a wargame. Convince me otherwise. I am open to the possibility
that
> > you
> > > > may have some insights that you haven't bothered to share with us
yet,
> > so
> > > > please do so.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jeff Goslin - MCSD
> > > > It's not a god complex when you're always right
> > > > http://www.goslin.info
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Hey Tony, I don't disagree with the "sport" name at all, I would love it to
be further recognized as a sport, but what are sports, but games, this one
just originated , and still to a large degree depicts war-games.
Listen I don';t like war, hate it infact, don't see a good reason to wage it
considering the costs. Defense however is a slighly different story,
sometimes you have to put up your dukes!
Paintball , the way I play and many other play does represent combat, in
both dress equipment, and style. doesn't mean we like or condone war, just
like playing it.


Cheers Tony!

Dan


TONY SR." <AMARGIO1@SAN.RR.COM> wrote in message
news:YnNPa.108239$98.3910529@twister.socal.rr.com. ..
> everything you just said Dan represents a SPORT ! sorry you stepped on
your
> own self.
> "Daniel Martin" <dwmartin@idirect.com> wrote in message
> news:vgu7joi0o7c626@corp.supernews.com...
> > What, were the site says " the way paintbal was meant to be", HA, maybe
> you
> > were meant to be on your knees performing felatio to every jersey
wearing
> > tourneyt player, cuz heck , I said so on a website.....
> >
> > Really Mike, The NPPL has an interest in paintball being a sup air/
> > spoeedball format, it's called $$$$, not fun, not recreation, $$$$.
> > Employment, concesions, ticket prices, entry fees, yoiu don't get them
> from
> > plaing woods ball, so of cousre the NPPL is going to say "; the way it
> was
> > meant to be". But who gave them the crystal balls to see the way the
past
> > was supposedly meant to pan out.
> >
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Michael Hughes" <dapaintschmuck@rcn.com> wrote in message
> > news:belaid$7nj$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> > > www.nppl.com
> > >
> > > nuff said.
> > >
> > > "Daniel Martin" <dwmartin@idirect.com> wrote in message
> > > news:vgpifmmfsks148@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > HEy Jeff, I just have to wade in here.
> > > > Paintball. a game where two teams are designated, an objective is
> > > > determined ;Capture the flag, hold the fort, etc. The two teams
> point
> > > > barrelled deviced which emit a projectile at eachother. If one is
hit
> > with
> > > > this projectile, (and if it breaks) one is eliminated, much like
> getting
> > > > shot. Players may hide behind objects, run, and evade eachother to
> avoid
> > > > being shot or hit with the projectile. Victory is absolute if the
> > > opposing
> > > > team is completely eliminated.
> > > > Large games are are often patterend after historic battels or
military
> > > > skirmishes, and include mock arial support, tanks spies.
> > > > Smaller games can have a military flavout. such as capture the
downed
> > > pilot
> > > > , where two teams search for a lightly armed pilot, one to shoot the
> > > pilot,
> > > > and the other to rescue him/her.
> > > > Some player een renact military history, by limiting their firing
> > > > capabilities by removing the hopper and playing " civil war,
dropping
> > one
> > > > ball at a time down the feed tube.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, who is this not warlike???????
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > "4.9 would also be considered around 5 secs.
> > > > Haven't you noticed. I don't care what someone don't smart enough
to
> go
> > > to
> > > > college thinks
> > > > I'm really curious too stupid for college."
> > > > SCM
> > > >
> > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/jsmarshall/roster/dan.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > > newsyydnfOyDLUpfJaiXTWJjw@comcast.com...
> > > > > "Trench Raider" <mwolverton@hot.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:67FOa.49988$XV.3148816@twister.austin.rr.com. ..
> > > > > > Go for it. However I think I might get more amusment out of
> Mickey.
> > > > It's
> > > > > > always fun to watch someone who can't debate their way out of a
> > paper
> > > > bag
> > > > > > flail about.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is, isn't it? Funny you should say that... <irony meter blasts
> > > across
> > > > > table>
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Your definition of paintball is that it is a wargame(with no
> > > > supporting
> > > > > > > points, I might add). It's just simply that "paintball is a
> > > wargame".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrong. Let me say this one more time. A wargame is: "a game or
> > > > exercise
> > > > > > that depicts or simulates armed conflict". By this definition
it
> is
> > > > quite
> > > > > > impossible to argue that paintball is not, at it's root, a
> wargame.
> > > You
> > > > > are
> > > > > > implying that "paintball is a waragame because I say it is".
That
> > is
> > > > > simply
> > > > > > not the case.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, again, in an extreme case of irony at it's most pure, you
> state
> > > that
> > > > > it is "impossible to argue that paintball is not, at it's root, a
> > > > wargame",
> > > > > without providing ANY of the logical steps in the progression to
> draw
> > > that
> > > > > conclusion. Your definition must have some intervening steps in
> order
> > > to
> > > > be
> > > > > applied to paintball. It simply MUST have some, because if it did
> > not,
> > > it
> > > > > could not apply to paintball at all, because paintball, in it's
> > current
> > > > > state, is NOT representative of armed conflict, in the truest
sense,
> > in
> > > > any
> > > > > way, shape or form.
> > > > >
> > > > > A game or exercise that depicts or simulates armed conflict must
do
> so
> > > > > accurately in order to be classified as a wargame. The less
> accurate
> > > the
> > > > > representation, the less likely what we are experiencing is a
> wargame.
> > > Is
> > > > > Pacman a wargame? Well, the dude is running from enemies and
then,
> > when
> > > > he
> > > > > is properly equipped, he attacks them... Perhaps something a
little
> > > > closer
> > > > > to home. Quake, or any of the other FPS's? I can't remember the
> last
> > > > time
> > > > > I got shot, grenaded, rocket launched, chainsawed and lasered more
> > than
> > > 50
> > > > > times without dying. Wargame? Many people would argue it is, CQB
> > > > training
> > > > > and all that... something to think about.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Call a spade a spade. It's not "tag with markers".
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps not, but you have not shown it to be otherwise. "Tag with
> > > > markers".
> > > > > Let's break it down, shall we.
> > > > >
> > > > > A marker is *A* word used by *SOME* paintball enthusiasts to
> represent
> > > the
> > > > > projectile propelling device used in the sport, used instead of
> "gun"
> > to
> > > > > specifically differentiate between the lethal and unpopular(with
the
> > > left)
> > > > > firearm and the items used in the sport of paintball. Some
> paintball
> > > > > players refuse to use the word marker, but still know what the
> person
> > > > using
> > > > > the term is referring to. People external to the sport may not
> > realize
> > > > what
> > > > > a marker is, and this allows for a paintball friendly explanation
to
> > be
> > > > > offered. Regrettably, *SOME* people think it is a waste of time
to
> > > > promote
> > > > > the sport in a paintball friendly manner, and instead insist on
> > > reverting
> > > > to
> > > > > a nihilistic presentation of the facts. And we thank them for
their
> > > > > support. Not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tag... well, it's not "tag, you're it", it's "tag, you're out".
The
> > > > entire,
> > > > > central idea in the game of tag is to touch someone, hence the
name.
> > > > While
> > > > > the effects of this touch in the childrens game are slightly
> different
> > > > from
> > > > > our game, it is no less a game of tag when we are trying to
"touch"
> > > > others,
> > > > > our touch of choice being a paintball splat, our result being the
> > > > > elimination of an opposing player.
> > > > >
> > > > > I feel I have supported the notion that paintball may be referred
> to,
> > in
> > > > > broad terms, as "tag with markers". I feel that you have not
shown
> it
> > > to
> > > > be
> > > > > a wargame. Convince me otherwise. I am open to the possibility
> that
> > > you
> > > > > may have some insights that you haven't bothered to share with us
> yet,
> > > so
> > > > > please do so.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jeff Goslin - MCSD
> > > > > It's not a god complex when you're always right
> > > > > http://www.goslin.info
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