i am not anti kingman.i used to have a spyder extra and then i got an e99.I just wanted a better gun so I bought a shocker.a lot if ppl hate sp too but they make good guns so i bought one(i like their guns not what they do).its like ninja said though ppl who have expensive guns will not like spyders and will tell you to get something nicer.i dont think that all guns below a grand are cheap.i heard that the ion is good...under 300.

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