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Michael Hughes · Michael Hughes

oh god, we've done this in the IOG soooo many times.

"Gush" <jgush99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hey group. Been a lurker in r.s.p for a while, and was surprised no
> one has posted this little nugget yet. It seems our good buddies at
> Smart Parts has finally decided to open "Pandora's Box" as it were,
> and is suing Indian Creek Designs, citing patent infringement. What
> patent? Smart Parts claims that they hold the patent for basically the
> whole idea of electro pneumatic markers!

Which they do.

It seems that all electros,
> whether true electro-pneumatic or "sear tripper," falls under Smart
> Parts supposed patent.

Not true. The reason ICD is getting sued is because thier NEW marker, the
one designed to compete with angels, new shockers...and whatnot, violates
this patent. They havent released any info about it because it is in limbo
due to the lawsuit

Some talk has been said that they have patents on all electros with on off
switches....

>
> Check these links for more info:
>
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/...eid=1058942255
>
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/...eid=1058842375
>
> So what does this mean for us? Well, SP is going after the smallest
> fish first, in Indian Creek, so they can set the precedent

ICD isnt really a small fish, but fine, yes, they violate the patent, they
get sued, SP has a RIGHT to defend its intelectual property.

> there,collect past royalties and liscensing, then go after the big
> boys like National Paintball, Tippmann, Kingman, WGP, WDP,etc., etc.,
> and blackmail the whole industry!

woah woah woah, SP is trying to keep ONE company from infringing on its
patent, Your making predictions you cant possibly back up. IF SP decides to
go after another company, then that is thier right. You must remember, Smart
parts released the Shocker, THE FIRST ELECTRO MARKER. That gives them the
right to DEFEND thier electro markers.

Why would SP do such a thing? Aside
> from the obvious, pure greed, how is this supposed to help the
> industry? SP is cutting the legs out from under us!

Woah woah woah... dude. Your forgetting, you'd do the very same thing...good
for teh sport, blah blah, not in it for the money...THEY ARE IN IT FOR THE
MONEY. If you were in business, you wouldnt be in it for fun... you'd be
doing it for MONEY.

I don't want to go
> on a "rec vs. speedball vs. scenario" tangent, but tourney ball IS the
> the most visible, public face of our sport. If SP's lawsuit comes to
> fruition, most of the non-SP sponsored teams may have a tough road
> ahead of them, as the companies who sponsor these teams may simply not
> exist after SP has their way with them.

Teams sponsored by ICD may not be able to get thier guns as cheap, but hell,
theres nothing wrong with that. Smart Parts HAS THE RIGHT to DEFEND
themselves

IMHO, this move could castrate
> the NPPL

yes it can castrate the NPPL, many ppl have speculated this is the reason
they are doing this.

, PSP,

Wrong. PSP will be protected by Smart Parts, they have aligned themselves
with the PSP

Xball

Part of the PSP

and any other pro league, and there goes
> paintball's marketable commodity.

Not really.

>
> So whadda we do? Well, an easy answer would be to simply boycott SP,

I think not, SP makes high quality products, they innovate, they should not
be punished for this (see my new thread)

> but maybe a better route would be the letter writing/ email campaign.
> If we, the buying public, announce our intention to boycott SP if they
> continue with the lawsuit, maybe it will have a little more leverage.
> I dunno. It's still early, and maybe the whole lawsuit will be thrown
> out, making the whole arguement a moot point.
>
> Just thought you all should be aware of this, not trying to troll. I
> know some members of r.s.p would be just happy to see electro's
> disappear (nudge nudge Jeff).

I guess we'll just have to see what
> happens...
>
> gush

Michael Hughes	[1] Posted by Michael Hughes 07-24-2003, 10:19 PM
Posts: n/a	Quote oh god, we've done this in the IOG soooo many times. "Gush" <jgush99@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:36cef160.0307240343.b60f15d@posting.google.co m... > Hey group. Been a lurker in r.s.p for a while, and was surprised no > one has posted this little nugget yet. It seems our good buddies at > Smart Parts has finally decided to open "Pandora's Box" as it were, > and is suing Indian Creek Designs, citing patent infringement. What > patent? Smart Parts claims that they hold the patent for basically the > whole idea of electro pneumatic markers! Which they do. It seems that all electros, > whether true electro-pneumatic or "sear tripper," falls under Smart > Parts supposed patent. Not true. The reason ICD is getting sued is because thier NEW marker, the one designed to compete with angels, new shockers...and whatnot, violates this patent. They havent released any info about it because it is in limbo due to the lawsuit Some talk has been said that they have patents on all electros with on off switches.... > > Check these links for more info: > http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/...eid=1058942255 > http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/...eid=1058842375 > > So what does this mean for us? Well, SP is going after the smallest > fish first, in Indian Creek, so they can set the precedent ICD isnt really a small fish, but fine, yes, they violate the patent, they get sued, SP has a RIGHT to defend its intelectual property. > there,collect past royalties and liscensing, then go after the big > boys like National Paintball, Tippmann, Kingman, WGP, WDP,etc., etc., > and blackmail the whole industry! woah woah woah, SP is trying to keep ONE company from infringing on its patent, Your making predictions you cant possibly back up. IF SP decides to go after another company, then that is thier right. You must remember, Smart parts released the Shocker, THE FIRST ELECTRO MARKER. That gives them the right to DEFEND thier electro markers. Why would SP do such a thing? Aside > from the obvious, pure greed, how is this supposed to help the > industry? SP is cutting the legs out from under us! Woah woah woah... dude. Your forgetting, you'd do the very same thing...good for teh sport, blah blah, not in it for the money...THEY ARE IN IT FOR THE MONEY. If you were in business, you wouldnt be in it for fun... you'd be doing it for MONEY. I don't want to go > on a "rec vs. speedball vs. scenario" tangent, but tourney ball IS the > the most visible, public face of our sport. If SP's lawsuit comes to > fruition, most of the non-SP sponsored teams may have a tough road > ahead of them, as the companies who sponsor these teams may simply not > exist after SP has their way with them. Teams sponsored by ICD may not be able to get thier guns as cheap, but hell, theres nothing wrong with that. Smart Parts HAS THE RIGHT to DEFEND themselves IMHO, this move could castrate > the NPPL yes it can castrate the NPPL, many ppl have speculated this is the reason they are doing this. , PSP, Wrong. PSP will be protected by Smart Parts, they have aligned themselves with the PSP Xball Part of the PSP and any other pro league, and there goes > paintball's marketable commodity. Not really. > > So whadda we do? Well, an easy answer would be to simply boycott SP, I think not, SP makes high quality products, they innovate, they should not be punished for this (see my new thread) > but maybe a better route would be the letter writing/ email campaign. > If we, the buying public, announce our intention to boycott SP if they > continue with the lawsuit, maybe it will have a little more leverage. > I dunno. It's still early, and maybe the whole lawsuit will be thrown > out, making the whole arguement a moot point. > > Just thought you all should be aware of this, not trying to troll. I > know some members of r.s.p would be just happy to see electro's > disappear (nudge nudge Jeff). I guess we'll just have to see what > happens... > > gush
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