wow, way to cite alot of sources, im forced to concede to one persons vision
of paintball

wrong

"Daniel Martin" <dwmartin@idirect.com> wrote in message
news:vgu82fk065pa69@corp.supernews.com...
> And as I scroll through this newsgroup, what do I find, but an add for a
> U.K. site, and I'll quote:
>
>
> * Free access to best paintball centres in the UK
> * The entrance fee to a full day of paintball action
> * Free equipment hire (goggles, headguard, combat suit, ninja hood &
> commando battlepack)
> * Free latest semi-automatic machine gun (awesome fire-power! Capable
> of firing up to 7 rounds a second. Free gas included)
>
> Each centre is located within a massive forest, and has up to 10
> unique game zones, each with a different theme. For more information
> on the locations, games and tactics (or indeed, anything to do with
> the paintball centres), visit: http://www.deltaforcedirect.co.uk
>
> Now Mike, see the line about COMBAT SUIT, NINJA HOOD & COMMANDO
BATTLEPACK,
> I wonder if those refer to a warlike game .... YUP I think they do,
leaves
> kind of a distinctive image in my head, OH, don't forget, SEMI
AUTOMATIC
> MACHINE GUN. Gee, not marker, paint delivery system, but MACHINE GUN,,
> GUN GUN GUN GUN... did I stress the MACHINE GUN enough.
> Thats the first two advert that I have come across , other that the NPPL
> since I waded in here.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
> "Michael Hughes" <dapaintschmuck@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:belap3$86l$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> > that tells you that one field pushes paintball as a wargame.
> >
> > whats your point.
> >
> > "Daniel Martin" <dwmartin@idirect.com> wrote in message
> > news:vgs5604s3e7j2e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Well Jeff, EVERY incantation of the game that I have played, both
> > commercial
> > > and renagade has had at least one, if not all simulated war scenarios.
I
> > > might add my first games was approximately 16 years ago ( not pulling
> the
> > "I
> > > know more cuz I played longer", just a historical reference) and in
> that
> > > time, bothe indoor and outdoor war and cqb battles are and have
always
> > been
> > > a main stay . Therefore one can, and must conclude that paintbal has
> been,
> > > and still is a wargame. The marketing of it tells the story. I
literaly
> > > reached down under my desk and pulled the first paintball flyer I
could
> > > find, what's it called " COMBAT VALLEY" combatvalley.com hmm, what
does
> > > that tell us.....
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > BTW I just read your response to Trenchy where you stated the reasons
> for
> > > not likening it to war, as some have been there and don't want'
anything
> > to
> > > do with it... I can't disagree with your motives . I tried to get a
> > > retired cop out to play and he said, " I've had to draw my gun on the
> job
> > > enough, I have no desire to do it now." or words to that effect.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:LQ6dnbtaXaoRuJCiXTWJhw@comcast.com...
> > > > "Daniel Martin" <dwmartin@idirect.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:vgpifmmfsks148@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > Paintball. a game where two teams are designated, an objective is
> > > > > determined ;Capture the flag, hold the fort, etc. The two teams
> > point
> > > > [snip for brevity]
> > > > > Large games are are often patterend after historic battels or
> military
> > > > > skirmishes, and include mock arial support, tanks spies.
> > > > > Smaller games can have a military flavout. such as capture the
> downed
> > > > pilot
> > > > [snip for brevity]
> > > > > Some player een renact military history, by limiting their firing
> > > > [snip for brevity]
> > > > > So, who is this not warlike???????
> > > >
> > > > In my entire argument, I did not say that you could not MAKE our
sport
> > > > "warlike". To be sure, there are ways to much more accurately
> simulate
> > > > combat conditions when playing paintball. Such rules are RARELY
> > employed,
> > > > and never to a level that will even come CLOSE to approximating real
> > > combat
> > > > conditions.
> > > >
> > > > Take chess. You could EASILY make chess MUCH more like war than the
> > > > strategy game we all play. Make your moves on a grid where the
> > > participants
> > > > actually must combat the opposition in the square to claim
victory**.
> > > Your
> > > > decision of which person is to represent a pawn over a knight over a
> > > bishop
> > > > over a queen is important. Biggest, baddest motherfucker you can
find
> > is
> > > > your "queen". Beats the shit out of anyone he comes across, except
> > maybe
> > > > the opposing queen. Why can't you do that to chess? Of course,
then
> it
> > > is
> > > > no longer chess. It's really turned chess into a wargame.
> > > >
> > > > I would argue that the same thing happens to paintball the more you
> > apply
> > > > rules to approximate it closer and closer to actual war. Medic
rules,
> > > > requiring hit persons to be dragged by two live players, people not
> > > leaving
> > > > the field but rather dropping where they stand, limiting ammo to 45
> > round
> > > > hoppers only, to be completely removed and replaced once emptied,
and
> so
> > > on.
> > > > All of these things *CAN* be done to make our game more like a
wargame
> > > than
> > > > a pasttime.
> > > >
> > > > But in the sport's current incarnation, and every incarnation of the
> > sport
> > > > since it's inception, none of these "reality rules" have really seen
> > much
> > > > play time. The sport has simply not followed a wargame's
progression,
> > > > historically. Look at the history of the sport, and you will see
that
> > > very
> > > > few of the rules enforced, even early on, had anything to do with
> > > > approximating warfare. Therefore, one must conclude that the game
was
> > > never
> > > > intended to be an approximation of war, and once you make this
> > conclusion,
> > > > you must further deduce that paintball is therefore NOT A WARGAME.
> > > >
> > > > ** (In a semi-related note, wasn't there a cheezy 80's flick about
> some
> > > guys
> > > > who get thrown into this gulag type place and in order to escape
must
> > win
> > > a
> > > > game of chess as the king, and strategist, of a live chess board?)
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jeff Goslin - MCSD
> > > > It's not a god complex when you're always right
> > > > http://www.goslin.info
> > > >
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