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Jeff Goslin · Jeff Goslin

"Daniel Martin" <dwmartin@idirect.com> wrote in message
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> Well Jeff, EVERY incantation of the game that I have played, both
commercial
> and renagade has had at least one, if not all simulated war scenarios. I
> might add my first games was approximately 16 years ago ( not pulling the
"I
> know more cuz I played longer", just a historical reference) and in that
> time, bothe indoor and outdoor war and cqb battles are and have always
been
> a main stay . Therefore one can, and must conclude that paintbal has been,
> and still is a wargame. The marketing of it tells the story. I literaly

We play a standard set of games to start the day at our field, 2 games each
of Capture the Flag, Elimination, Center Flag and Attack & Defend. What
exactly is warlike about those games? CTF and CF are obviously not warlike
in and of themselves. Elimination and A&D could possibly be deemed
"warlike", but only if warlike consequences are implemented. The whole key
to the determination of whether or not paintball is a wargame lies in the
representation of war within the rules of the game.

I think one of the key elements is that there is no command structure
involved. At *BEST*, in a standard recreational game, one person *MIGHT*
stand up and give some broad guidelines(you guys go there, you guys go here,
we'll go over there, and try to get their flag, ok?) but beyond that,
everyone is typically on their own. If someone with more experience says to
someone with less experience that they should do a certain thing, the other
person is just as likely to tell the asker to **** off as they are to
actually do what they are told. In a wargame, there are objectives, people
who are directly moving on the objectives, people who are supporting those
people, and supporting the supporters, and so on. There are noted
consequences for being hit, there are structures for such things.

Paintball is a game where some people get together and have a good time
shooting each other with balls of paint, nothing more. To ascribe more to
it is to take the game to a level that many people do not intend for the
sport.

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD
It's not a god complex when you're always right
http://www.goslin.info

Jeff Goslin	[6] Posted by Jeff Goslin 07-11-2003, 08:59 PM
Posts: n/a	Quote "Daniel Martin" <dwmartin@idirect.com> wrote in message news:vgs5604s3e7j2e@corp.supernews.com... > Well Jeff, EVERY incantation of the game that I have played, both commercial > and renagade has had at least one, if not all simulated war scenarios. I > might add my first games was approximately 16 years ago ( not pulling the "I > know more cuz I played longer", just a historical reference) and in that > time, bothe indoor and outdoor war and cqb battles are and have always been > a main stay . Therefore one can, and must conclude that paintbal has been, > and still is a wargame. The marketing of it tells the story. I literaly We play a standard set of games to start the day at our field, 2 games each of Capture the Flag, Elimination, Center Flag and Attack & Defend. What exactly is warlike about those games? CTF and CF are obviously not warlike in and of themselves. Elimination and A&D could possibly be deemed "warlike", but only if warlike consequences are implemented. The whole key to the determination of whether or not paintball is a wargame lies in the representation of war within the rules of the game. I think one of the key elements is that there is no command structure involved. At BEST, in a standard recreational game, one person MIGHT stand up and give some broad guidelines(you guys go there, you guys go here, we'll go over there, and try to get their flag, ok?) but beyond that, everyone is typically on their own. If someone with more experience says to someone with less experience that they should do a certain thing, the other person is just as likely to tell the asker to **** off as they are to actually do what they are told. In a wargame, there are objectives, people who are directly moving on the objectives, people who are supporting those people, and supporting the supporters, and so on. There are noted consequences for being hit, there are structures for such things. Paintball is a game where some people get together and have a good time shooting each other with balls of paint, nothing more. To ascribe more to it is to take the game to a level that many people do not intend for the sport. -- Jeff Goslin - MCSD It's not a god complex when you're always right http://www.goslin.info
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