And as I scroll through this newsgroup, what do I find, but an add for a
U.K. site, and I'll quote:


* Free access to best paintball centres in the UK
* The entrance fee to a full day of paintball action
* Free equipment hire (goggles, headguard, combat suit, ninja hood &
commando battlepack)
* Free latest semi-automatic machine gun (awesome fire-power! Capable
of firing up to 7 rounds a second. Free gas included)

Each centre is located within a massive forest, and has up to 10
unique game zones, each with a different theme. For more information
on the locations, games and tactics (or indeed, anything to do with
the paintball centres), visit: http://www.deltaforcedirect.co.uk

Now Mike, see the line about COMBAT SUIT, NINJA HOOD & COMMANDO BATTLEPACK,
I wonder if those refer to a warlike game .... YUP I think they do, leaves
kind of a distinctive image in my head, OH, don't forget, SEMI AUTOMATIC
MACHINE GUN. Gee, not marker, paint delivery system, but MACHINE GUN,,
GUN GUN GUN GUN... did I stress the MACHINE GUN enough.
Thats the first two advert that I have come across , other that the NPPL
since I waded in here.

Cheers,

Dan




"Michael Hughes" <dapaintschmuck@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:belap3$86l$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> that tells you that one field pushes paintball as a wargame.
>
> whats your point.
>
> "Daniel Martin" <dwmartin@idirect.com> wrote in message
> news:vgs5604s3e7j2e@corp.supernews.com...
> > Well Jeff, EVERY incantation of the game that I have played, both
> commercial
> > and renagade has had at least one, if not all simulated war scenarios. I
> > might add my first games was approximately 16 years ago ( not pulling
the
> "I
> > know more cuz I played longer", just a historical reference) and in
that
> > time, bothe indoor and outdoor war and cqb battles are and have always
> been
> > a main stay . Therefore one can, and must conclude that paintbal has
been,
> > and still is a wargame. The marketing of it tells the story. I literaly
> > reached down under my desk and pulled the first paintball flyer I could
> > find, what's it called " COMBAT VALLEY" combatvalley.com hmm, what does
> > that tell us.....
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > BTW I just read your response to Trenchy where you stated the reasons
for
> > not likening it to war, as some have been there and don't want' anything
> to
> > do with it... I can't disagree with your motives . I tried to get a
> > retired cop out to play and he said, " I've had to draw my gun on the
job
> > enough, I have no desire to do it now." or words to that effect.
> >
> >
> > "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:LQ6dnbtaXaoRuJCiXTWJhw@comcast.com...
> > > "Daniel Martin" <dwmartin@idirect.com> wrote in message
> > > news:vgpifmmfsks148@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Paintball. a game where two teams are designated, an objective is
> > > > determined ;Capture the flag, hold the fort, etc. The two teams
> point
> > > [snip for brevity]
> > > > Large games are are often patterend after historic battels or
military
> > > > skirmishes, and include mock arial support, tanks spies.
> > > > Smaller games can have a military flavout. such as capture the
downed
> > > pilot
> > > [snip for brevity]
> > > > Some player een renact military history, by limiting their firing
> > > [snip for brevity]
> > > > So, who is this not warlike???????
> > >
> > > In my entire argument, I did not say that you could not MAKE our sport
> > > "warlike". To be sure, there are ways to much more accurately
simulate
> > > combat conditions when playing paintball. Such rules are RARELY
> employed,
> > > and never to a level that will even come CLOSE to approximating real
> > combat
> > > conditions.
> > >
> > > Take chess. You could EASILY make chess MUCH more like war than the
> > > strategy game we all play. Make your moves on a grid where the
> > participants
> > > actually must combat the opposition in the square to claim victory**.
> > Your
> > > decision of which person is to represent a pawn over a knight over a
> > bishop
> > > over a queen is important. Biggest, baddest motherfucker you can find
> is
> > > your "queen". Beats the shit out of anyone he comes across, except
> maybe
> > > the opposing queen. Why can't you do that to chess? Of course, then
it
> > is
> > > no longer chess. It's really turned chess into a wargame.
> > >
> > > I would argue that the same thing happens to paintball the more you
> apply
> > > rules to approximate it closer and closer to actual war. Medic rules,
> > > requiring hit persons to be dragged by two live players, people not
> > leaving
> > > the field but rather dropping where they stand, limiting ammo to 45
> round
> > > hoppers only, to be completely removed and replaced once emptied, and
so
> > on.
> > > All of these things *CAN* be done to make our game more like a wargame
> > than
> > > a pasttime.
> > >
> > > But in the sport's current incarnation, and every incarnation of the
> sport
> > > since it's inception, none of these "reality rules" have really seen
> much
> > > play time. The sport has simply not followed a wargame's progression,
> > > historically. Look at the history of the sport, and you will see that
> > very
> > > few of the rules enforced, even early on, had anything to do with
> > > approximating warfare. Therefore, one must conclude that the game was
> > never
> > > intended to be an approximation of war, and once you make this
> conclusion,
> > > you must further deduce that paintball is therefore NOT A WARGAME.
> > >
> > > ** (In a semi-related note, wasn't there a cheezy 80's flick about
some
> > guys
> > > who get thrown into this gulag type place and in order to escape must
> win
> > a
> > > game of chess as the king, and strategist, of a live chess board?)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff Goslin - MCSD
> > > It's not a god complex when you're always right
> > > http://www.goslin.info
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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